building a pc with intel core duo

[ste216]

Hi guys, I'm looking to build a new pc and would really like to use the Intel core duo chips but have not seen anywhere to buy them or any motherboards to support them. Does anyone know when the core duo and supported motherboards will be available to buy? I live in the UK.

 

[secretanchitman]

anandtech just recently did a review on an AOpen 975x board that supports core duo.

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i do not know if its available in the UK though...if its not, i would suggest you wait for conroe which comes out in july or get a notebook with merom which comes out in august.

 

[Maximilian]

Yea wait for core 2 duo, or if you hate that name like i do, conroe.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Good luck with this, and report back when you finish it.

 

[chilled]

I would wait for Core 2 Duo, but if you really want Core Duo, say for a HTPC then here's some pointers, especially for those in UK.

Core Duo and Solo requires a new socket from earlier Pentium M parts. The new Celeron M 4xx series will also support this new socket, but is not yet available in the UK.

Here are some motherboards. Only the Asus N4L-VM DH and AOpen i975Xa support the Core Duo. The motherboard will come with the HSF that is required. Only the MSI boards support any S478 compatible HSFs. In stock here..

Here are some Core Duo/Solo CPUs. The Pentium M parts (Banias/DOthan) will not work with these mobos. They will work with the remainder of the mobos in the above link however.

 

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[TanisHalfElven]

if your building it now i don't think there any advatge to going core do instead of a X2.

edit.
i take that back. those are cheap...they are good.

 

[Karaktu]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven
if your building it now i don't think there any advatge to going core do instead of a X2.

edit.
i take that back. those are cheap...they are good.

They're also lower power.

I just sold off my Opteron 165 at 2.63GHz/A8N SLI Premium/2 x 1GB G.Skill at DDR480 2.5-3-2-5 and now have a Yonah 1.833Ghz at 2.68GHz (stock/AUTO voltage), Aopen i975Xa-YDG, 2GB of PC2-5300 DDR2 that is at DDR2-816 at 2.1v (and a $5 heat sink!), and I can honestly say it's worth it. 3D benchmarks are a little lower (which could probably be improved with faster memory), but I can run the rig with a 7900GT modded to run 660/1780, 3 SATA II drives and SB Audigy 2 on an Antec 350-watt Smartpower (non-dual rail) PSU, and it doesn't even get warm. The Speedstep is awesome and works very well. 800MHz is plenty fast when cruising web pages, and it ramps right up in games. Fans never make any real audible noise, especially in a P-180.

 

[hardwareking]

if u get a core duo(yonah) now, and a aopen i975x YDG mobo.it'll last u about a year until 64-bit support becomes a necessity.By that time merom would have been out and prices would have dropped.So just pickup a merom(core 2 duo mobile version),remove the core duo(yonah) from ur mobo(make sure u do a bios update before removing it though so that it can support the merom chip),put the core 2 duo(merom) in to the slot and enjoy a low-power,high performance pc with full functionality.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: hardwareking
if u get a core duo(yonah) now, and a aopen i975x YDG mobo.it'll last u about a year until 64-bit support becomes a necessity.By that time merom would have been out and prices would have dropped.So just pickup a merom(core 2 duo mobile version),remove the core duo(yonah) from ur mobo(make sure u do a bios update before removing it though so that it can support the merom chip),put the core 2 duo(merom) in to the slot and enjoy a low-power,high performance pc with full functionality.

Highly unlikely. Intel has a habit of changing chipsets/sockets with each core revision. Example... Wilamette, Northwood, Prescott. All Pentium 4's, new chipsets/sockets for each one.

 

[hardwareking]

Not really,even in anandtech's review they stated that with a simle bios update the merom will work on a aopen i975xYDG board.
And the pins wont be changing this time round.Conroe will still use lga775 and merom will use the socket 479 which is what yonah uses.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: hardwareking
if u get a core duo(yonah) now, and a aopen i975x YDG mobo.it'll last u about a year until 64-bit support becomes a necessity.By that time merom would have been out and prices would have dropped.So just pickup a merom(core 2 duo mobile version),remove the core duo(yonah) from ur mobo(make sure u do a bios update before removing it though so that it can support the merom chip),put the core 2 duo(merom) in to the slot and enjoy a low-power,high performance pc with full functionality.

Highly unlikely. Intel has a habit of changing chipsets/sockets with each core revision. Example... Wilamette, Northwood, Prescott. All Pentium 4's, new chipsets/sockets for each one.

Northwood and Prescott were both 478, until 775 was introduced, so thats not necessarily true.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: hardwareking
if u get a core duo(yonah) now, and a aopen i975x YDG mobo.it'll last u about a year until 64-bit support becomes a necessity.By that time merom would have been out and prices would have dropped.So just pickup a merom(core 2 duo mobile version),remove the core duo(yonah) from ur mobo(make sure u do a bios update before removing it though so that it can support the merom chip),put the core 2 duo(merom) in to the slot and enjoy a low-power,high performance pc with full functionality.

Highly unlikely. Intel has a habit of changing chipsets/sockets with each core revision. Example... Wilamette, Northwood, Prescott. All Pentium 4's, new chipsets/sockets for each one.

Northwood and Prescott were both 478, until 775 was introduced, so thats not necessarily true.

But you can't install a 3.6 GHz Pentium 4 or any Pentium D in your socket 478 board, can you?

They may very well use the same chipset and same socket... but I wouldn't spend money now planning on that as an upgrade path a year down the road. Even if it is possible, it may not be desireable... like the 478/775 choice you have for most Pentium 4 models.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: hardwareking
if u get a core duo(yonah) now, and a aopen i975x YDG mobo.it'll last u about a year until 64-bit support becomes a necessity.By that time merom would have been out and prices would have dropped.So just pickup a merom(core 2 duo mobile version),remove the core duo(yonah) from ur mobo(make sure u do a bios update before removing it though so that it can support the merom chip),put the core 2 duo(merom) in to the slot and enjoy a low-power,high performance pc with full functionality.

Highly unlikely. Intel has a habit of changing chipsets/sockets with each core revision. Example... Wilamette, Northwood, Prescott. All Pentium 4's, new chipsets/sockets for each one.

Northwood and Prescott were both 478, until 775 was introduced, so thats not necessarily true.

But you can't install a 3.6 GHz Pentium 4 or any Pentium D in your socket 478 board, can you?

They may very well use the same chipset and same socket... but I wouldn't spend money now planning on that as an upgrade path a year down the road. Even if it is possible, it may not be desireable... like the 478/775 choice you have for most Pentium 4 models.

I never said you could. Prescott and Northwood were /are both available in 478. No socket change. 775 is what changed. And btw Im running my 3.2 @ 3.76.

'Nuff said.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: hardwareking
if u get a core duo(yonah) now, and a aopen i975x YDG mobo.it'll last u about a year until 64-bit support becomes a necessity.By that time merom would have been out and prices would have dropped.So just pickup a merom(core 2 duo mobile version),remove the core duo(yonah) from ur mobo(make sure u do a bios update before removing it though so that it can support the merom chip),put the core 2 duo(merom) in to the slot and enjoy a low-power,high performance pc with full functionality.

Highly unlikely. Intel has a habit of changing chipsets/sockets with each core revision. Example... Wilamette, Northwood, Prescott. All Pentium 4's, new chipsets/sockets for each one.

Northwood and Prescott were both 478, until 775 was introduced, so thats not necessarily true.

But you can't install a 3.6 GHz Pentium 4 or any Pentium D in your socket 478 board, can you?

They may very well use the same chipset and same socket... but I wouldn't spend money now planning on that as an upgrade path a year down the road. Even if it is possible, it may not be desireable... like the 478/775 choice you have for most Pentium 4 models.

I never said you could. Prescott and Northwood were /are both available in 478. No socket change. 775 is what changed. And btw Im running my 3.2 @ 3.76.

'Nuff said.

Either your obvious bias is preventing you from seeing my point since you feel the need to defend Intel... or you just refuse to aknowledge my point for the sake of arguing. The Pentium 4 line SWITCHED to Socket 775. You CANNOT buy a 3.8 GHz Socket 478 Pentium 4. Yes, the core change came first, followed by a chipset/socket change to accomodate the new core. And yes, you can buy a Socket 478 Prescott core Pentium 4. But NO, you CANNOT buy a top of the line Pentium 4 in Socket 478 packaging. Don't be surprised if the same thing happens with Merom. Same socket/chipset compatability to start with, but a new socket/chipset a few months down the road to accomodate the new features of the new core.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: hardwareking
if u get a core duo(yonah) now, and a aopen i975x YDG mobo.it'll last u about a year until 64-bit support becomes a necessity.By that time merom would have been out and prices would have dropped.So just pickup a merom(core 2 duo mobile version),remove the core duo(yonah) from ur mobo(make sure u do a bios update before removing it though so that it can support the merom chip),put the core 2 duo(merom) in to the slot and enjoy a low-power,high performance pc with full functionality.

Highly unlikely. Intel has a habit of changing chipsets/sockets with each core revision. Example... Wilamette, Northwood, Prescott. All Pentium 4's, new chipsets/sockets for each one.

Northwood and Prescott were both 478, until 775 was introduced, so thats not necessarily true.

But you can't install a 3.6 GHz Pentium 4 or any Pentium D in your socket 478 board, can you?

They may very well use the same chipset and same socket... but I wouldn't spend money now planning on that as an upgrade path a year down the road. Even if it is possible, it may not be desireable... like the 478/775 choice you have for most Pentium 4 models.

I never said you could. Prescott and Northwood were /are both available in 478. No socket change. 775 is what changed. And btw Im running my 3.2 @ 3.76.

'Nuff said.

Either your obvious bias is preventing you from seeing my point since you feel the need to defend Intel... or you just refuse to aknowledge my point for the sake of arguing. The Pentium 4 line SWITCHED to Socket 775. You CANNOT buy a 3.8 GHz Socket 478 Pentium 4. Yes, the core change came first, followed by a chipset/socket change to accomodate the new core. And yes, you can buy a Socket 478 Prescott core Pentium 4. But NO, you CANNOT buy a top of the line Pentium 4 in Socket 478 packaging. Don't be surprised if the same thing happens with Merom. Same socket/chipset compatability to start with, but a new socket/chipset a few months down the road to accomodate the new features of the new core.

All you said was prescott was 775. But you FAILED to realize it was also 478, which you can still buy new from Newegg.

Grow up, be a man, and admit you were wrong by saying Intel changes sockets with every core. Or be pissy about it. It only makes YOU look bad.

Dont make me post a newegg prescott 478 link. And no Intel didnt release anything faster than 3.4 in 478 because after they made SEVERAL MILLION of them, they switched the whole process to 775, a pinless design. And btw, AMD is switched to a new pinless design. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

(And before you reply with some pissy little nyaa-nyaa response, acknowledge that presscott was once 478 with NO SOCKET CHANGE until they switched the same core into 478)

Your friend,

FelixDeKat

 

[Jeff7181]

All you said was prescott was 775. But you FAILED to realize it was also 478, which you can still buy new from Newegg.

No, you ASSumed that's what I was saying.

Grow up, be a man, and admit you were wrong by saying Intel changes sockets with every core. Or be pissy about it. It only makes YOU look bad.

Another ASSumption. I pointed out that there has been chipset/socket changes for every major revision of the Pentium 4 core, which is true. Wilamette started as Socket 423... when Northwood came out they changed to 478... and shortly after the Prescott came out they changed to 775.

Dont make me post a newegg prescott 478 link. And no Intel didnt release anything faster than 3.4 in 478 because after they made SEVERAL MILLION of them, they switched the whole process to 775, a pinless design. And btw, AMD is switched to a new pinless design. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

I don't see your point here. I'm well aware that there are Socket 478 Prescotts... I never said there weren't. And who cares what AMD is doing?

(And before you reply with some pissy little nyaa-nyaa response, acknowledge that presscott was once 478 with NO SOCKET CHANGE until they switched the same core into 478)

Again... I never said there wasn't. You assumed that's what I meant cause that would allow you to argue about it.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

All you said was prescott was 775. But you FAILED to realize it was also 478, which you can still buy new from Newegg.

No, you ASSumed that's what I was saying.

Grow up, be a man, and admit you were wrong by saying Intel changes sockets with every core. Or be pissy about it. It only makes YOU look bad.

Another ASSumption. I pointed out that there has been chipset/socket changes for every major revision of the Pentium 4 core, which is true. Wilamette started as Socket 423... when Northwood came out they changed to 478... and shortly after the Prescott came out they changed to 775.

Dont make me post a newegg prescott 478 link. And no Intel didnt release anything faster than 3.4 in 478 because after they made SEVERAL MILLION of them, they switched the whole process to 775, a pinless design. And btw, AMD is switched to a new pinless design. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

I don't see your point here. I'm well aware that there are Socket 478 Prescotts... I never said there weren't. And who cares what AMD is doing?

(And before you reply with some pissy little nyaa-nyaa response, acknowledge that presscott was once 478 with NO SOCKET CHANGE until they switched the same core into 478)

Again... I never said there wasn't. You assumed that's what I meant cause that would allow you to argue about it.

Spin it how you want to. I won the argument.