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Building a PC i need Your Reccomendations

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CompProInTheProcess

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1. Going to be gaming often, but is going to be shared with mom and sister(they
download lots of music, pictures, and videos. they usually watch "k-dramas"

2. im at a $850 Dollar Budget in USD.(Not including OS, Monitor, Keyboards&Mice, AnitiVirus, Speakers, Etc)

3. Will be buying from the US and Online(Mostly from newegg)

4. AMD-Fanboy and Radeon-Fanboy

5. No dont have any building a Brand new one.

6. ? umm yes

7. Overclocking is risky, but yes i plan to over clock from time to time but not so often i need fancy expensive gear in my computer.

8. I plan to play on the highest resolution possible without lagg that my computer is capable of

9. Whever i get my Parts right and know it will all fit and low possibilities of failure

Rig(after 2nd update)
CPU: AMD Phenom II X2 550 Black Edition Callisto 3.1GHz Socket AM3 80W Dual-Core Processor Proscessor
Mother Board: MSI 785GTM-E45 AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 785G HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard Mother Board
Graphics Card: (Mother board has Radeon 4200 on it, Will upgrade in due time)
Case: COOLER MASTER RC-690-KKN1-GP Black SECC/ ABS ATX Mid Tower Case
PSU: APEVIA ATX-AS600W-BK 600W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Power Supply PSU
Memory: G.Skill 4GB(2x2GB) 240Pin DDR2 1066 RAM
Hard Drive: HITACHI 0A38016 1TB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard DriveHard Drive
Monitor: HP 2009m 20" HP 16:9 Wide HD Ready LCD Flat Panel MonitorMonitor
Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Sound Card Sound Card
Keyboard: HP - Wireless Elite Keyboard - Black
Mouse: Microsoft 5BA-00001 Tilt Wheel USB 2.4 GHz Wireless BlueTrack Explorer
OS: Vista Home Premium SP1 61bit(with windows 7 free upgrade coupon)
AntiVirus: Norton AntiVirus 09 Gaming Edition
:Q
Notes:
I Researched that AMD usually Parnters ups with Radeon Graphic Cards and works best together and Intel with nVIDIA, Noting that the motherboard i chose has Radeon 4200 in it
but when i upgrade im wondering what Graphics card to get..
its between GeForce GTX 260,275 and Radeon's 4850 and 4890
i Chose AMD CPU cause it has better fitting then intel CPU's when i saw how intel' CPUs are they look so loose , and with AMD i dont have to be so worried about matching the FSB. (If you could find a better deal with intel with nice matching RAM ill follow it)

The Mother Board i chose because it looks good with the case i got and follows along with the Ram coloring and it has good ratings and specs.

With they keyboards and mouse, i know it'll be like $70 dollars for it but I've tried that BlueTrack mouse it is amazing it saves me the time to buy a Nice $40 mouse then a good $10 mouse pad..the keyboard catches my eye because it is ultra slim.

The Monitor i am crazily in love with it because my cousin has it, it has very very nice adjusting abilities which i love and i can watch videos or play games with my head turned to the side because the monitor has about a 165 Degree angle turn

The AntiVirus attracted me becuase i read its reviews and it said that it wasnt like the old Nortons and took forever to load. and it doesnt clog up the system

Vista is wonderful i like the way i can use movie maker on it, Movie maker sucks on XP
and i get a free upgrade to windows 7 which supposedly is the best OS going to be out.
In my opinion W7 is suppose to preform fast like XP and graphics of Vista

Sound Blaster X-Fi... i love it.. my dad has it on his Computer i love the programs it comes with and i love to pump the bass full blast and listen to high beat songs

the notes i just wrote were just to let you know why i chose them and to let you know that if you wanted to change something on my list to find something similar to what i like =D.
 
Don't worry about the CPU "fitting" or whatever with the FSB. That is not an issue - the motherboard designers have taken care of that. AMD is cheaper, and since you are on a budget you might stick with AMD because of that.
The motherboard color might be important to n00bs, but it really should not be factored in to your decision.
Ditch Norton. Norton is a resource hog - I've heard even 2009 is slow. Avast! Home is free and one of the best/least invasive on performance, and easy to use.
Give the quality of the PSU more priority - that is what supplies your entire system with clean, stable electron flow. I would stick with PC Power & Cooling, Silverstone, or the new Z series Gold from OCZ looks good. I am not sure who makes the OCZ, but alot of PSU's are built by other companies and labeled "Corsair" or some other brand. You should be spending AT LEAST $100 on the PSU, if not more.
Why would you get an AM3 board and buy DDR2????? Get DDR3.
 
I say get what you like. You have obviously researched the keyboard, mouse, and monitor.

Those three right there that interact with the user directly, rather than indirectly (the tower) are the most important IMO. When you spend lots on those, you can even call them "creature comforts". You also don't have to upgrade these things very often if you choose quality parts to begin with.

I am still using my original Logitech MX500 mouse from its introduction in 2002. I bought it the first day it came out for $49.99. It has withstood the test of time (and heavy use), to the point where the Logitech logo has disappeared from the mouse just from my hand resting on it, while never having a malfunction. Those are parts you need to get. So far, the mouse has outlasted four keyboards, and also four monitors (1 CRT, 3 LCD).

The rest of your build looks good, the only thing I would change personally, is to get the ATX version of the MSI board, you get extra expansion slots for later, and the case you chose fits it.

I would also trade the Hitachi for the Samsung 1TB drive.

What ChaiBabbaChai said is also true, at this point I would get DDR3.

The power supply you chose comes from a brand I have never heard of before. I would stick to more known quality brands such as Corsair, Silverstone, and PC Power & Cooling. I have a friend who through his greater experience than I, will use exclusively PC Power & Cooling power supplies in every computer he builds for the rest of his life. Needless to say, I am running one (750W) in the computer that I built a month ago, that is powering this post I just submitted.
 
It doesn't make sense to put a micro-atx mobo in a full atx case.

Never heard of Diablotek power supplies but that doesn't necessarily mean they are bad. The 140mm fan seems nice, but I don't see any mention of 80plus efficiency. Consider switching that to a better known brand, and you really don't need more than 500W.

A 20" LCD is on the small side when you can get 23 inchers for under $150.

I would drop the sound card, onboard sound is good enough. Put that money towards a video card purchase.

Don't listen to what was said about Norton AV, 2009 is one of the best antivirus products out there and the lowest resource usage of them all.
 
Originally posted by: M0RPH
It doesn't make sense to put a micro-atx mobo in a full atx case.

Never heard of Diablotek power supplies but that doesn't necessarily mean they are bad. The 140mm fan seems nice, but I don't see any mention of 80plus efficiency. Consider switching that to a better known brand, and you really don't need more than 500W.

A 20" LCD is on the small side when you can get 23 inchers for under $150.

I would drop the sound card, onboard sound is good enough. Put that money towards a video card purchase.

Don't listen to what was said about Norton AV, 2009 is one of the best antivirus products out there and the lowest resource usage of them all.
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Great advice here on the monitor and video card IMO.

OP: Why are you are building a gaming pc and not including a video card in your first build? If you're waiting for Sept. 10, then nevermind.

Of the video cards you listed, I think the 4890 would be the best. The 275 seems to win out only at the highest resolutions. And since you already lean to the red side it'll fit well. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: M0RPH
It doesn't make sense to put a micro-atx mobo in a full atx case.

Never heard of Diablotek power supplies but that doesn't necessarily mean they are bad. The 140mm fan seems nice, but I don't see any mention of 80plus efficiency. Consider switching that to a better known brand, and you really don't need more than 500W.

A 20" LCD is on the small side when you can get 23 inchers for under $150.

I would drop the sound card, onboard sound is good enough. Put that money towards a video card purchase.

Don't listen to what was said about Norton AV, 2009 is one of the best antivirus products out there and the lowest resource usage of them all.
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at 11 years old, it might be easy to fall into the fallacy that bigger = better / quantity over quality, but that is not always true. In this case, a 140mm fan could actually mean worse cooling than an 80mm fan. Cheap monitors are a waste of time. M0RPH might be right about Norton but there is better out there. (Kapersky and Avira)
 
Originally posted by: ChaiBabbaChai
Don't worry about the CPU "fitting" or whatever with the FSB. That is not an issue - the motherboard designers have taken care of that. AMD is cheaper, and since you are on a budget you might stick with AMD because of that.
The motherboard color might be important to n00bs, but it really should not be factored in to your decision.
Ditch Norton. Norton is a resource hog - I've heard even 2009 is slow. Avast! Home is free and one of the best/least invasive on performance, and easy to use.
Give the quality of the PSU more priority - that is what supplies your entire system with clean, stable electron flow. I would stick with PC Power & Cooling, Silverstone, or the new Z series Gold from OCZ looks good. I am not sure who makes the OCZ, but alot of PSU's are built by other companies and labeled "Corsair" or some other brand. You should be spending AT LEAST $100 on the PSU, if not more.
Why would you get an AM3 board and buy DDR2????? Get DDR3.
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though it is an AM3 Board...it doesnt support DDR3, DDR2 1066 was the highest it supported
The Mother board i chose
 
Originally posted by: Spikesoldier
I say get what you like. You have obviously researched the keyboard, mouse, and monitor.

Those three right there that interact with the user directly, rather than indirectly (the tower) are the most important IMO. When you spend lots on those, you can even call them "creature comforts". You also don't have to upgrade these things very often if you choose quality parts to begin with.

I am still using my original Logitech MX500 mouse from its introduction in 2002. I bought it the first day it came out for $49.99. It has withstood the test of time (and heavy use), to the point where the Logitech logo has disappeared from the mouse just from my hand resting on it, while never having a malfunction. Those are parts you need to get. So far, the mouse has outlasted four keyboards, and also four monitors (1 CRT, 3 LCD).

The rest of your build looks good, the only thing I would change personally, is to get the ATX version of the MSI board, you get extra expansion slots for later, and the case you chose fits it.

I would also trade the Hitachi for the Samsung 1TB drive.

What ChaiBabbaChai said is also true, at this point I would get DDR3.

The power supply you chose comes from a brand I have never heard of before. I would stick to more known quality brands such as Corsair, Silverstone, and PC Power & Cooling. I have a friend who through his greater experience than I, will use exclusively PC Power & Cooling power supplies in every computer he builds for the rest of his life. Needless to say, I am running one (750W) in the computer that I built a month ago, that is powering this post I just submitted.
Click to expand...

The HITACHI Hard drive i choose is only 75 bucks..
with 1TB
16MB cache
Samsung the cheapest 1TB there is is 85 buckes
only difference is the Cahce
16mb Cache (Hitachi)
32mb Cache( samsung)
i read that cache doesnt make a significant difference
 
Originally posted by: M0RPH
It doesn't make sense to put a micro-atx mobo in a full atx case.

Never heard of Diablotek power supplies but that doesn't necessarily mean they are bad. The 140mm fan seems nice, but I don't see any mention of 80plus efficiency. Consider switching that to a better known brand, and you really don't need more than 500W.

A 20" LCD is on the small side when you can get 23 inchers for under $150.

I would drop the sound card, onboard sound is good enough. Put that money towards a video card purchase.

Don't listen to what was said about Norton AV, 2009 is one of the best antivirus products out there and the lowest resource usage of them all.
Click to expand...

i plan on waiting for ATI evergreen to come out

Also my Case i choose supports ATX and m-ATX motherboards(its a Mid tower case)
the mother board i choose was Micro ATX
and i thought m-ATX was abbrv. for Micro ATX
so i thought it fit?
doesnt it?
 
Originally posted by: CompProInTheProcess
though it is an AM3 Board...it doesnt support DDR3, DDR2 1066 was the highest it supported
The Mother board i chose
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I took a look at MSI's page. I don't pay attention to every board and chipset. That board is not AM3, it's AM2+. The distinguishing factor of AM3 over AM2(+) is the DDR3 support...
 
Originally posted by: CompProInTheProcess

i plan on waiting for ATI evergreen to come out

Also my Case i choose supports ATX and m-ATX motherboards(its a Mid tower case)
the mother board i choose was Micro ATX
and i thought m-ATX was abbrv. for Micro ATX
so i thought it fit?
doesnt it?
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Sure it will fit, but a micro atx mobo makes compromises to be small... like only 2 ram slots, only 3 sata, less expansion slots. Why put a tiny mobo in a big case?

Here's a full size for $20 more:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813128395

Or take advantage of the space savings of micro atx and get yourself a nice small micro atx case.
 
Originally posted by: CompProInTheProcess
Originally posted by: Spikesoldier
I say get what you like. You have obviously researched the keyboard, mouse, and monitor.

Those three right there that interact with the user directly, rather than indirectly (the tower) are the most important IMO. When you spend lots on those, you can even call them "creature comforts". You also don't have to upgrade these things very often if you choose quality parts to begin with.

I am still using my original Logitech MX500 mouse from its introduction in 2002. I bought it the first day it came out for $49.99. It has withstood the test of time (and heavy use), to the point where the Logitech logo has disappeared from the mouse just from my hand resting on it, while never having a malfunction. Those are parts you need to get. So far, the mouse has outlasted four keyboards, and also four monitors (1 CRT, 3 LCD).

The rest of your build looks good, the only thing I would change personally, is to get the ATX version of the MSI board, you get extra expansion slots for later, and the case you chose fits it.

I would also trade the Hitachi for the Samsung 1TB drive.

What ChaiBabbaChai said is also true, at this point I would get DDR3.

The power supply you chose comes from a brand I have never heard of before. I would stick to more known quality brands such as Corsair, Silverstone, and PC Power & Cooling. I have a friend who through his greater experience than I, will use exclusively PC Power & Cooling power supplies in every computer he builds for the rest of his life. Needless to say, I am running one (750W) in the computer that I built a month ago, that is powering this post I just submitted.
Click to expand...

The HITACHI Hard drive i choose is only 75 bucks..
with 1TB
16MB cache
Samsung the cheapest 1TB there is is 85 buckes
only difference is the Cahce
16mb Cache (Hitachi)
32mb Cache( samsung)
i read that cache doesnt make a significant difference
Click to expand...

The reason I suggested the samsung is because although the hitachi is cheaper, I also see and replace a lot of hitachi drives at work everyday. but those are laptop hard drives. the most i see (in order) is hitachis, followed by western digitals, seagates, toshibas, then samsungs.

Proudly running 2x HD753LJ in RAID1 on second pc. And booting from Intel X25-m G1 on this one.
 
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