Building a new rig for around 2k

HoiDaKalen

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I havent really been keeping up with technology these days, so I would really appreciate it if a couple of regulars here could help me out with building a new system. Ill be using it for pretty much everything... video/music editing, database manipulation, and computer games... also i'll be hooking up two 24" monitors to it. If theres anything else you need to know, just ask.

Thanks in advance!
 

Tempered81

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qx9650 $1010
p5k deluxe $180
8800 gts 512 $254
4gb pc26400 $80
2x 500gb in raid0 $180

wifi,lan,opticals,case,fans,extras,etc: $300

$2,000

Theres plenty of ways to spend 2000 on a box, that's how i would do it.
 

LOUISSSSS

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Q6600 $250
any x48 mb $200
3870x2 $450
2 x 2gb DDR2 1066 $100
1 x 150gb raptor $170
2 x 750gb 32mb Seagate 7200.11 $170 x 2
PCPC 750 Silencer $270

heatsink/case/optical/etc $300-400
 

PCTC2

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Option 1: OVERCLOCK NOW
QX9650 $1100
Asus P5E3 Deluxe $280
2x1GB Team Xtreem DDR3-1333 $250
9600GT $170 or 8800GT $230
Seagate 500GB 7200.11 $120
Xigmatek 750W PSU $130
Case, Opticals, etc $Get for Cheap!

Option 2: Powerhouse Stock Now!
Q6600 $250
Asus P5E3 Deluxe $280
4 x 1GB DDR3-1333 Team Xtreem $500
8800GTS 512MB $280
2x Seagate 500GB 7200.11 $240
Xigmatek 750W PSU $130
Thermalright Ultra120 eXtreme Lapped $60-90
Case, opticals, etc: $ Whatever is left

Option 3: In a month or so:
Q9450: $350
Asus P5E3 Deluxe/Premium $280
2x1 GB Team Xtreem DDR3-1333 $250
8800GTS 512MB (or 9800GTX) $280/500?
2x 150GB Raptor $170
500GB Seagate 7200.11 $120
Xigmatek 750W PSU $130
Thermalright Ultra120 eXtreme $60
Case, opticals, etc: $200
 

GarfieldtheCat

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Originally posted by: HoiDaKalen
I havent really been keeping up with technology these days, so I would really appreciate it if a couple of regulars here could help me out with building a new system. Ill be using it for pretty much everything... video/music editing, database manipulation, and computer games... also i'll be hooking up two 24" monitors to it. If theres anything else you need to know, just ask.

Thanks in advance!

-Q6600 or e8400 (your choice, dual vs quad)

-4Gig RAM (DDR2-800, unless Oc'ing e8400, then get DDR2-1066)

-P35 based board of your choice (DFI, Asus, Abit, Gigbyte are all good)

-2xHard Drive of you choice and size - Hitachi, Seagate, Samsung, WD are all good in the 500-750Gig range. Raptors aren't really noticeably faster, and are only 150Gig and expensive.

-8800GT Video Card

-DVD Burner - Samsung 203b

-Case of your choosing (120mm fans are best, since they move more air at low RPM's and low noise)

-PSU - 500W-600W Corsair or Seasonic - You don't need over 600W, 520W is fine

- Thermalright Ultra-120 Heatsink if you want to OC (or other decent HS)

Well under $2000, and very good "bang for the buck" especially if you OC.
 

DSF

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The way the computer industry works, you'll get more out of your money by spending $1000-1200 now and $800-1000 in a year or two than by spending $2000 now.

Personally, here's what I'd do:

Case: Antec P182 ($150)
You've got a sizeable budget, so get a nice case. This will have plenty of room, be nice and quiet, and keep everything nice and cool. There are other great cases out there, this is just one. As a side note, it's frequently on sale for much less than $150, so I'd shop around and see if you can spot a better price.

Power Supply: Corsair 520HX ($110)
A very solid power supply with stable rails, cool and quiet operation, and modular cables. Should have plenty of headroom for future expansion too. If you have something more daring in mind in terms of future expansion, you could consider the 620HX. Again, Newegg's price might not be the best if you shop around.

CPU: Intel Q6600 OEM ($250)
The OEM processor comes without a heatsink, but that saves you $25. Most people around here would recommend that with a quad core you consider an aftermarket heatsink. This is especially true if you want to overclock, which the Q6600 does very easily.

Heatsink: Sunbeam Tuniq Tower ($40)
Probably more commonly recommended around here for the quad cores than any other heatsink. If you want to look into alternatives, people in this forum or the cases and cooling forum would have plenty of opinions.

Motherboard: Gigabyte EP35-DS3P ($150)
What motherboard you choose will largely be a question of your specific needs. I chose this one on the very possibly erroneous assumption that with lots of video and audio editing you might want the firewire ports. However, it only has two PCI slots, so if you want or need more than two PCI cards, you'd have to pick a different board. There are plenty of good choices out there, and the P35 chipset is the best bet for what you're doing.

RAM: 2x2GB DDR2-800 ($90)
Go with 4GB, as cheap as RAM is these days. DDR2-800 will give you the headroom to overclock your Q6600 to 3.6GHz, if it will go that far. Faster RAM is not necessary.

Video Card:
8800GTS 512MB ($260)
As others have said, this is probably the best choice for your budget, especially with gaming on a 24" monitor. The HD3870x2 is another option, but it's significantly more expensive, and I've heard mixed things about it.

Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint 500GB Hard Drive ($105)
I picked this one because I'm personally very happy with mine. The Spinpoint series is known for being quiet, and it's completely inaudible even when I don't have music/games on. However, the major hard drive manufacturers all make quality disks and you won't go wrong with a Seagate, Western Digital or Hitachi either. If you need more than 500GB, 750GB and 1TB are getting more affordable, and you could look around for a good deal. (Or you could just buy 2 500GB drives.)

Optical Drive: Samsung 203B
This is a popular recommendation, but optical drives are all more or less the same. I'm happy with my LiteOn, and some people swear by their Asus or Pioneer burners. If you want LightScribe, then you'll need the 203N instead of the 203B.

All of that comes under $1200 but doesn't include shipping prices, the cost of an operating system, or keyboard/mouse/speakers.

 

MarcVenice

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DSF is pretty much spot on, people suggesting ddr3 are crazy. Same for a qx9650. They must have assumed you die if you don't spend 2000$, otherwise it's total bull. Louis his build wasn't halfbad either. Slightly overkill on some parts, a little crazy, but at least not crazy stupid kind of crazy, hehe.
 

Denithor

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One comment: I would never buy an OEM cpu. Not only do you get a decent hsf with the retail kit, you also get a 3 year warranty (versus 1 year for OEM) which can save your @$$ if the chip fails during normal operation. And it normally only costs about $10 more than OEM, not $25.

I would suggest either getting the e8400 (3GHz, 6MB cache, dual core) for around $200 or else wait about a month or so and get a Q9450 (2.66GHz, 12MB cache, quad core) for about $350.

Check out the InWin cases at Newegg. They're quite well constructed, roomy inside, nice cases for the price ($75-85).
 

DSF

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Originally posted by: Denithor
One comment: I would never buy an OEM cpu. Not only do you get a decent hsf with the retail kit, you also get a 3 year warranty (versus 1 year for OEM) which can save your @$$ if the chip fails during normal operation. And it normally only costs about $10 more than OEM, not $25.

Fair enough, I forgot about the warranty point.
 

twistedlogic

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Have you heard of anyone who has came across an Intel chip that has failed do to "normal operation"? I could see if a new CPU had some problems, but they should be apparent as soon as its installed.

If hes planning on OCing or changing the stock HSF, isn't his warranty voided anyway?

For some, I guess the extra $10-25 doesn't seam like much for the extra 2 years of warranty, . For others, the extra 10-25$ could be used for better RAM, HDD, GPU, mobo.

But hey, if you have the cash, why not.

 

v8envy

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Guys, you missed the 2x24" monitors. He'll be trying for 1900x1200 (or higher?) gaming. Which means the GPU(s) will be the problem, not so much CPU.

Which means a 780i mboard, 2x8800GTS 512 or better, muy macho PSU. And lots of caffeine/liquor, plus some $ budgeted to RMA/replace failed components -- the nv chipsets are known to scorch RAM.

Database & image editing would work best on a Q9450 + multiple hard drives. You don't even need to RAID them for DB, simply placing tablespaces & logs on different drives is good enough. For these apps the more ram the better!

With those needs in mind I would spend the budget thusly:

Q6600 now ($250), Q9450 later ($350)
Asus 780i chipset board ($250)
Tuniq tower, aftermarket hs compound $50
2x8800GTS 512 $600
750W PSU $150
4x 500gb drives (or larger. the larger the faster) $500
Antec P182 $150ish
*4*x2GB PC800 ram $200+. Make sure the mboard vendor supports that particular configuration for ram -- you'll have to use very specific SKUs for best effect. Databases and image editing are two applications which absolutely love RAM.
64 bit OS or 32 bit OS with paging extensions
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A bit over $2k. Most of the expense comes from the SLI 8800GTSes. You can save a few hundred going with a HD3870x2 and a quality ($150ish) P35 chipset board -- e.g. Antec P5K series. Neither solution will be very fun for 19x12. You could also start with an 8800GT and play at low settings now, and upgrade as soon as a better single slot card is out.

You may also consider a server board, server socket 771 CPU and registered ram to get 16 GB or more.

I would not go for an extreme OC on a database dev box. Cleaning up the mess left by a CPU glitch will cost more than giving up a few % performance. You will be shooting for a 3.2ghz OC with either the Q6600 or Q9450, not 3.7 or higher.

 

PCTC2

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Originally posted by: v8envy
Guys, you missed the 2x24" monitors. He'll be trying for 1900x1200 (or higher?) gaming. Which means the GPU(s) will be the problem, not so much CPU.

Which means a 780i mboard, 2x8800GTS 512 or better, muy macho PSU. And lots of caffeine/liquor, plus some $ budgeted to RMA/replace failed components -- the nv chipsets are known to scorch RAM.

Uhh... it could also mean an X38/48 chipset which both also have dual PCIe 2.0 16x slots.

Option 3: In a month or so:
Q9450: $350
Asus P5E3 Deluxe/Premium $280
2x1 GB Team Xtreem DDR3-1333 $250
2x 8800GT 512MB 580
2x 150GB Raptor $170
500GB Seagate 7200.11 $120
Xigmatek 750W PSU $130
Thermalright Ultra120 eXtreme $60
Case, opticals, etc: $200

That's $2200, a little over, but it would give him better upgrade path, dual video cards, and if he wanted to get it now, he could get a Q6600 and save himself $100.
 

DSF

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Originally posted by: PCTC2

Uhh... it could also mean an X38/48 chipset which both also have dual PCIe 2.0 16x slots.

That's fine for Crossfire, but SLI doesn't run on Intel chipsets.

(Except Skulltrail blah blah.)
 

v8envy

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Originally posted by: PCTC2
Originally posted by: v8envy
Guys, you missed the 2x24" monitors. He'll be trying for 1900x1200 (or higher?) gaming. Which means the GPU(s) will be the problem, not so much CPU.

Which means a 780i mboard, 2x8800GTS 512 or better, muy macho PSU. And lots of caffeine/liquor, plus some $ budgeted to RMA/replace failed components -- the nv chipsets are known to scorch RAM.

Uhh... it could also mean an X38/48 chipset which both also have dual PCIe 2.0 16x slots.

Option 3: In a month or so:
Q9450: $350
Asus P5E3 Deluxe/Premium $280
2x1 GB Team Xtreem DDR3-1333 $250
2x 8800GT 512MB 580
2x 150GB Raptor $170
500GB Seagate 7200.11 $120
Xigmatek 750W PSU $130
Thermalright Ultra120 eXtreme $60
Case, opticals, etc: $200

That's $2200, a little over, but it would give him better upgrade path, dual video cards, and if he wanted to get it now, he could get a Q6600 and save himself $100.

I agree with the rest, but 8 gigs of quality DDR3 ram will run at least a grand. Trust me, you DO NOT want to be editing large images on a 2 gig windows machine. In fact, you don't want to do anything serious on a 2 gig windows machine.

4 gigs is pretty minimal. I'd prefer 16+ gigs for what I do as well (very similar to OP's requirements), but I can live with 4. 2 is right out.

Once DDR3 prices come down to earth your option will be a very good one. For now, DDR3 yields no performance advantage yet has an eye-popping early adopter tax.

Raptors are kind of noisy and don't yield a huge performance benefit over slower spinning higher density drives doing streaming reads/writes. Especialy 2 150g raptors vs. 3 500G drives. They seek better, but the throughput is comprable. They definitely have higher synch IO rates, but overall I'm not sure it's a big upgrade.
 

NinjaJedi

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I think there are a few points that need to be cleared up.

1. Do you already have the 2 monitors?
2. Are you going to be over clocking?
3. Do you want crossfire or SLI?
4. Are you looking for top notch parts or get the most out of your $2k?
5. Storage. Do you want maximum capacity, speed or both?
6. Do you plan on using it to watch any Blu-ray/HD-DVD?
 

LOUISSSSS

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7. would u rather have a great PC now for $1200 + another great PC after an $800 upgrade in a year?
8. would u rather have the fastest PC right now on your block for $2k but not have any money for an upgrade in a year when everyone else's PC is faster than yours?
 

HoiDaKalen

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hey guys thanks for the all the responses!

to clear up the unanswered questions:

1. i already have the two monitors
2. i havent really been keeping up with technology, so i wont be attempting any overclocking till i learn how to do it properly
3. i am leaning towards the x2 by ati simply because its a one card solution.
4. i would prefer top notch
5. i dont need an egregious amount of capacity, 500gigs would be more than enough for me
6. it would be sweet to have a blu-ray drive

7/8. if the build ever becomes inadequate for what i need i dont have a problem upgrading it in the future, although i doubt that would happen in several months time.
 

DerwenArtos12

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Wait about a month and go

Q9450
DFI LP UT X38 or 790i
2x2GB *good* DDR-1066
ATi 3870 X2
Dual WD3200AAKS-00B3A0 in raid
Silverstone TJ-09
Silberstone OP1200 Power supply
and whatever keyboard and mouse you like
That'll be more than enough system to keep you happy and the power supply and case will last you a long time, even if you decide to go up to tripple SLI or Crossfire X or whatever they come out with next.
 

PCTC2

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Originally posted by: DSF
Originally posted by: PCTC2

Uhh... it could also mean an X38/48 chipset which both also have dual PCIe 2.0 16x slots.

That's fine for Crossfire, but SLI doesn't run on Intel chipsets.

(Except Skulltrail blah blah.)

He doesn't want SLI. He wants dual monitors. He can't run dual monitors if he runs SLI (SLI disables the second port). I would suggest an Intel chipset for that reason.
 

PCTC2

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Originally posted by: v8envy
Originally posted by: PCTC2


2x1 GB Team Xtreem DDR3-1333 $250

2x 150GB Raptor $170

I agree with the rest, but 8 gigs of quality DDR3 ram will run at least a grand. Trust me, you DO NOT want to be editing large images on a 2 gig windows machine. In fact, you don't want to do anything serious on a 2 gig windows machine.

4 gigs is pretty minimal. I'd prefer 16+ gigs for what I do as well (very similar to OP's requirements), but I can live with 4. 2 is right out.

Once DDR3 prices come down to earth your option will be a very good one. For now, DDR3 yields no performance advantage yet has an eye-popping early adopter tax.

Raptors are kind of noisy and don't yield a huge performance benefit over slower spinning higher density drives doing streaming reads/writes. Especialy 2 150g raptors vs. 3 500G drives. They seek better, but the throughput is comprable. They definitely have higher synch IO rates, but overall I'm not sure it's a big upgrade.

He could drop the raptors and get another 2 GB of DDR3. He said he only needs 500GB.
 

NinjaJedi

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I tried to find items that are in stock now. So please keep in mind that there are probably cheaper items but are not currently in stock or out yet. I tried to cover the basics of what you asked for. I did not include shipping prices because collective shipping would probably be a different total.

choice 1 - DDR2 - total = $1589.5 + $55MIR
case - antec 900 = $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16811129021
M/B - gigabyte ga-ep35-ds3r - $145
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813128082
memory - patriot pc-6400 4GB LLK = $118 $30MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820220269
OS - vista 64bit = $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16832116204
HDD - WD 500GB = $105
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822136073
CPU - e8400 = $207.5
http://www.nowdirect.com/exec/...rcpart=ISPBX80570E8400
PSU - corsair HX 620 = $144 $25MIR
http://microcenter.com/single_...tml?product_id=0245607
GPU - visiontek 3870x2 = $450
http://microcenter.com/single_...tml?product_id=0281494
DVD drive - samsung 20x = $30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16827151153
Blu-ray drive - pioneer = $180
http://microcenter.com/single_...tml?product_id=0281907

choice 2 - DDR3 - total = 1826.5 + $55MIR
case - antec 900 = $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16811129021
M/B - asus pke3 deluxe - $200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813131181
memory - patriot pc-12800 2GB = $300 $30MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820220259
OS - vista 64bit = $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16832116204
HDD - WD 500GB = $105
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16822136073
CPU - e8400 = $207.5
http://www.nowdirect.com/exec/...rcpart=ISPBX80570E8400
PSU - corsair HX 620 = $144 $25MIR
http://microcenter.com/single_...tml?product_id=0245607
GPU - visiontek 3870x2 = $450
http://microcenter.com/single_...tml?product_id=0281494
DVD drive - samsung 20x = $30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16827151153
Blu-ray drive - pioneer = $180
http://microcenter.com/single_...tml?product_id=0281907

If I had 2k to burn - total = $2040 + $55MIR
case - U2-UFO (CYO) = $350
http://www.mountainmods.com/u2...se-your-own-p-438.html
M/B - gigabyte p35-DS3L - $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16813128059
memory - patriot pc-6400 4GB LLK = $118 $30MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16820220269
OS - vista 64bit = $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16832116204
HDD - 2x mtron pro 6000 16gb = $770
http://neostore.com/
CPU - e8400 = $207.5
http://www.nowdirect.com/exec/...rcpart=ISPBX80570E8400
PSU - corsair HX 620 = $144 $25MIR
http://microcenter.com/single_...tml?product_id=0245607
GPU - xfx 8800gt = $235
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814150259
DVD drive - samsung 20x = $30
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16827151153

Then I would sell my current set up and buy water cooling.
 

taltamir

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I would like to know your budget per YEAR... sure those 2000$ will give you great performance now... but for overall performance over time you should set a budget per year and upgrade every 6-18 ideally, 6 is best if you sell old parts on ebay and upgrade as new parts become avilable... 12-18 is best if you just trash or give away the old parts and don't want to mess with it often.

what kind of databases are we talking about here? an access/quickbooks file or a serious database?
 

v8envy

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Originally posted by: HoiDaKalen

5. i dont need an egregious amount of capacity, 500gigs would be more than enough for me

You misunderstand, 4x500 gb drives aren't about giving you 2TB of storage. They're about giving you multiple spindles with multiple data paths. In a database situation the last thing you want to do is make log writes wait for data sync to disk, and vice versa. More spindles > faster single drive performance.

Partition off the last 300 gb of each drive and only use the first 200 and you'll have a blazingly fast I/O subsystem.

If you're going with as few drives as possible change my recommendation to 2x750gb drives. Once again, not capacity -- high density * multiple spindles.

 

HoiDaKalen

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here are the components im currently thinking about...

CPU: Q6600
Case: Cooler Master Cosmos 1000
MB: Maximus Formula
HD: 2 WD Raptors
VC: VisionTek 3870x2

The components I am uncertain about:
Ram(what kind would be best?), PSU(would a 500w be sufficient for this setup?), Heatsinks(do i only need one for the CPU?), Fans?

Also, I am trying to make sure this is a relatively quiet setup, so if anyone has any experience with these components in terms of noise level, could you offer your input.