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ViRGE

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Since your only in Portland, may I reccomed driving down to Salem, and checking out NexGen Gamming(http://www.nexgengaming.com/). They have a very similar setup to what you're trying to do, so they'll probably be able to give you a lot of help.:)

PS Salem needs some damn LAN parties! ;)
 

dirtboy

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Please don't get me wrong, I wish you all the luck in the world. I can just say the location for the gaming center I knew, was not ideal, it sounds like to me you have things more thought out.

I am quite impressed with what you have put together so far. My only advice would be to avoid having a gamers computer shut down after their hour is up.

From time to time I monitor a lab with the same idea, if someone is waiting after your hour is up, you have to leave. Most people will be off in a minute or two after asking and generally cause no trouble. I think some might be angered if they were cut off in the heat of battle without the option of staying.

Perhaps you could sell hour long tickets and gamers could buy multiple tickets. You notice somone's time is running out, you go over to tell them, they hand you another ticket and you just made an easy sale :)

I personally wouldn't allow people to bring in their own rigs. Never know what someone may use your network for, even if you have a policy. It brings up alot of network security issues...not to mention other things.
 

shadow

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Untamo 1 word.

Tournaments.

weekly tournaments and a large monthly one will keep people coming back for more, have a nice big prize every 3-6 months based on points standings for that season, ever hear of liga? perhaps something like that... there were some two thousand people registered in that tournament albeit an online one....
 

amb#cog

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Don't forget birthday parties. That would rock for the young crowd.

Good luck man. I like the idea. :)
 

vi edit

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I don't have too many suggestions, but will offer this advice to you.

There is a security program called "Fortrece" that will allow you lock down a 95/98 PC very well. I use it on the computers at our remote sites to keep the store managers from surfing for porn all day.

It basically gives them access to one folder on the desktop. It's called an "unprotected" folder. You can put whatever shortcuts you want the users to have access to in that folder. This software only costs about $30 dollars a machine which really isn't too bad.

I'll put up a link tomorrow when I get to work.

Also, this software has a proxy built into that filters out "naughty" sites on the internet as well.

It will also log usage and tell you what the last user did while using the PC.

As far as management goes, you may want to try SMS or PC Anywhere. SMS is by far the more expensive and more difficult, but far more powerful.

PC Anywhere will allow you to take control of a PC from just about anywhere and use it just like you were at the PC itself.

If you had it loaded and waiting to host, you could control any PC in the herd from you main desk/server.
 

Untamo

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Rahvin - Appreciate the heads up, but I am already aware. Yes, every game from Halflife to UT and beyond, has a software license agreement strictly phrohibiting such a system. Site license and permission are required, however I am not aware of a gaming center that has pursued such licensin [and I've checked A LOT of 'em] Understand, most gaming companys are not going to bat an eye at it, especially if you're promoting thier software. Technically it is against violation, and punishable up to $100,000 per incident, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Monitors will be in a special enclosure, with the only part accessible being is the screen itself. Beverages would *have* to be spilled with care to effect it, but the setup will be designed to prevent this from happening.

Securtiy = 2 Rotwielers, Damn good security, complex has security going through it, and we have a police officer working with us full time. We'll make our thoughts on this very well understood ;]

On porn downloading this is a good one, cause I dont have a straight answer for this. Even with a surf watcher, the password to bypass would not stay secret long enough to make a difference so that leaves me with one of two options.
1. All porn accessible [not so good for the "family" type image]
2. Install surf watchers on ALL machines and call it good. {most likely this option} Gimme feedback on this one people!

I am going to allow scanning & printing on regulated machines, on a price per incident basis. Heck, its going to be a color laser printer.

Seperation of gamers vs. surfers. Most likely no. I'm not gearing towards the casual surfer in this enviroment, they can do that @ home. Most people who would come there for the high speed, dont really want to relax while listening to Bach and downloading the days stock quotes. However the point is valid, yet I do not think I will.

We know the landlord well, he's cutting us a helluva deal, with a rate locked into contract for 1yr, w/5yr option @ same price. Cant change w/o both party consent and agreement. He likes the idea of what we're trying to do, and him and I get along well. Almost like family... But yes, everything is in writing. All the building stuff is taken care of my friend! Thanks for the concerns as well!

And email me about this Flagstaf place!

Russ - ;) Faliure is NOT an option.

KDOG - Keep up the good faith and energy towards it, and I'll make you envolved with the web presence [tournaments and stuff] but nothing major, so dont lose sleep over it with excitement ;)

Mcheech - Generally money/passion/knowledge/drive/energy/drive/help/support/drive are needed before one takes something like this on :)

JMaster - They'll be floppies and such, you just wont be able to physically access them. Configs are least of my worries, it takes but a minute to set it up, less your using a rocket jump alias or something, then you're just cheating cause you got's no skills. [Sorry the trashtalker in me came out there] :0

GoldenBear - That is what is to happen, but I'd like to do "Credit card" style membership cards with the electronic swipe to bring up records and load the file to keep track of stats and what not, also for ease in billing... Care to do some extensive software programming for me? Pretty please ;)

Sephiroth_IX - Yea screen lookers will be "punished" that's going to be one of our themes. A caught screen looker will be subject to the mercy of the crowd available punishment in 3 flavors. It'll be fun, but harmless, something to talk about and get 'em back for cheatin. To prevent it, we have pull outs that block your view.

Croton - Groovy, I'll hook you up with some 2 for 1 payment action

Monel Funkawitz - We'll have a destory a mac contest. Closest we'll get :] Mac's may be added later for flavor I suppose... However, dont count on it.

ViRGE - I actually plan to next week, if you live there, I'd be more than happy to meet up with you and see what we can do. I've been to Seattle, and seen all the big boys as well, but they're so damn corporate, and more of a store, they dont have freedom.

Russ - Yea, they also turn lead into gold.

Dirtboy - The billing system is my MAIN concern at this point. I think we'll have to do written papers to remember who's off when, it's also a good way to get system usage notes out of it. And ofcourse we wouldnt shut it down unless we had too, the idea is keep 'em on long as possible. Everyone knows 4 hours goes by mighty quick with 20 Minute games. Sales will definatly be made at the end of time period to extend the carnage :)

Paulson - You'll have to get into contact with me via email on this RC5 issue. I'd be willing to run all 40+ computers on it, and believe me, that'd rock some serious arse. Anywho, email me!

Shadow - DING DING, we have a winner. I've gotten local biz's plus the big boys to donate time/merchandise/Gift certs/trophies etc.. to this very cause. Hopefully I can join the CPL and become a regional tournament qualifier and have a $40,000 Q3 Tournament annually, and I think its $5,000 Q3 Tournaments Quarterly. Not sure on the quartely stuff, but ther regional prize is for sure! National prize for Q3 is [w/o the company giveaways and sponsorship] $100,000 Yowza. What to do with that...

amb#cog - ofcourse, it wouldnt be a gaming center w/o 'em.

vi_edit - Great ideas on the software, I agree on the PC Anywhere, although with internect connectivity, security HAS to be top notch, one area I could use an experts opinion/knowledge.
[Captains log: Aroused] <-Thats too d@mn funny.
 

Ulfwald

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How about monthly memberships, you can sell them at a &quot;discounted&quot; price, You can issue time cards that keep track of each person's hours, and when inserted, it subtracts from their account as they play. Most people will purchase these, but will not use them as often as they expect to, thus your profits go up. Now occasionally, there will be the one who is there getting his full month's worth. Also, are you going to serve alcohol, if so you need to worry about the age restrictions.

Have rewards ffor good grades for those in highschool and below. A free weekend pass or something, this will usually promote more business because someone with a free pass will usually bring a friend, (no one want's to play alone.

Offer an internship (free labor) to college kids They need to know how to run a network, this will give them college credit, and you get free labor, and the IRS may give you a tax break if you promote education.

Offer an UPGRADE area, for those not to technically inclined, your staff can install hdw and sftw upgrades for a nominal fee for those who bring their own systems, this also helps maintain the intregriy of you network without

If I come up with any more Ideas, I will let you know
 

piku

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Well about your response to what I said, as long as the keyboard is just a regular keyboard, you could submerge the damn thing and it will still function fine. So if they spill just hose the thing down :p (and let it dry before you reconnect :). (oh, and this worked for me, so if your's blows up into molten lava dont blame me ;P)

Also, I would just let them access whatever they want, just tell them not to look at porn or whatever (besides, I doubt too many people will be looking at porn if they cant download it and take it home). Those net nanny things SUCK and would probably not even allow them access to half the gaming sites out there.

Yes, definatly do tournaments. That will keep people coming back quite a bit. You should have daily goofy tournaments too, like for bags of chips or something. Have them be like shotgun only tournaments in quake or peon fights in warcraft or something like that. Maybe not daily but you should do goofy things like that.

Also, if someone is right in the middle of a big game or something, and no one else is waiting to use the computer, you should let them go as courtesty. Now if they just started one like 5 minutes before their time was up then kick them off, but if their close to being done with a 30 minute starcraft match or something then you should let them go, or like what dirtboy said, ask them if they want to buy another ticket. Or you could even have short 30 minute or 15 minute game tickets, to allow people to finish their games. But if they have 5 minutes left of a UT deathmatch I would definatly just let them go without charge. A happy customer is a repeat customer :)
 

Untamo

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Ulfwald - Monthly/Seasonal/Yearly Memeberships will be available! Good grades are going to be done too! Also, I may not do interships, [but maybe so if the following doesnt work out] I was thinking of doing a JobPlace for the HighSchool Alternative Education program. I've worked closely with these people and like the teachers and program. I would do that first, then college students. I just dont like getting help in there, that I dont know personally.

Upgrade area is a great idea. We will have a small *shop* within a shop inside there catering to just this sort of needs.

If you do come up with more idea's LET ME KNOW!

piku - Agreed on the gaming time. Courtesy will be big part in it. This is friends and gamers doing what they love. I wouldnt want to be kicked off, so I wont do it to them... Of course it all depends on Attitude :]
 

Windogg

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How is the wiring in the building? Make sure its sufficient to handle the load of all those computers/monitors/etc. Consider small UPSes for each one (~$100). This will not only keep people going if there is a sag. I've also noticed the significant reduction of crashes under Win95/98 when clean power is fed to a system.

I would also find a way to keep customers from using media that hasn't been scanned for viruses (intentionally or unintentionally). People will always claim that the disk they are about to saved a document to is &quot;clean&quot; but who really knows. Then there is the off chance that some hoser will want to load a trojan. Consider setting up something like McAfee Netshield.

Someone also suggested securing the hardware. Many cases can be secured with a simple padlock but intrusion detection switches are nice too.

Make each station as ergonomic as possible. You can never be to careful when people sue for bogus reasons.

Kick ass idea. Best of luck to you.

Windogg
 

BenSkywalker

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Don't know how I missed this thread before, great idea you have and by the sounds of it you can't fail. Great plan with good location and lots of drive, best of luck:) Now onto that feedback-

1. Business Setup. --

Sounds like you already have much of it figured out, if I was you I would suggest pushing the membership route as much as possible. Relying on hourly business tends to be a lot more nerve racking, and also can make it more difficult to build a customer base in such an environment. Someone sittng around bored at home may decide to drop by and spend some cash, someone with a membership would be far more likely to do the same though, and having an environment where you are pretty much assured of finding some &quot;live&quot; competition should help in promoting your business. I would strongly reccomend having a snack bar of sorts, include things like pizza and chips(with a no eating at the PC rule if it makes you nervous) as both a convenience factor for your customers and an added source of revenue.

Selling merchandise and handling upgrades on site sound like excellent ideas. Another may be assmebling entire systems for people to nervous to do so. I don't know how much of a market there would be for such a thing, but it is mearly an extension of handling upgrades and would allow users with enough sense to chose all the right parts, but without the confidence to build it themselves, to have a fully customized PC. Another possible option is to offer clones of what you are running for your systems. For users with older computers that frequent your business, they may feel comfortable knowing exactly how their system will run using their favorite games. Offering them a replica of exactly what you use would be a way to ensure them satisfaction at least in terms of their gaming which tends to be high priority for the type of customer you are looking for. This would require only the amount to build the first system for startup and then would be relatively self maintaining as far as revenue, assuming that you are dealing with savvy customers that keep support issues to a minimum. Most of this probably falls more under operations setup, so I'll go to point 2.

2. Actuall Site setup. --

The physical layout I assume? I would attempt to go with a &quot;business&quot; type setting, avoiding the cubicle feel as much as possible. If you are using dividers that look like cubicles, paint them black and slap on some quick gamers logos(nV's eye, 3dfx, id etc) or something, anything to make it feel more relaxed. May sound like a simple thing, try having a few different types of chairs available. If everyone who goes there, or almost everyone, finds a very comfortable spot to sit, it helps the overall customer experience. A minor thing that may easily be overlooked but truly makes a difference in the overall experience. I'm willing to pay a 50% premium($3-$4) for tickets to a movie that has very comfortable seats over the extremely cramped and backache inducing ones most theaters have.

Having seperated cluster for different types of gaming. You could utilize your business to do such things as host the local chess tournament, just as an example, and that probably wouldn't mesh well with the frag fest going on with another group. Keeping cluster of PCs could help you to keep oponents close to each other so trash talking may occur easily, while eliminating as many exterior factors as possible. A setup as portable as possible, in terms of being able to adjust the setup, would probably be best. That way, you can alter the floor to best accomodate differing needs. If Half-Life is extremely popular, you could add onto the Half-Life cluster while pulling units from the Quake3 cluster(just an example).

Another thing I would suggest is a TV with cable or DVD/VCR combo. This isn't to encourage a hangout mentality, but to give people something to do while eating some pizza or in case of customer overflow. Give them something to keep them there until it is their turn to play, and in turn keeps them coming back.

3. Operations of center. --

I would say most importantly not to limit yourself based on the games that we like the most. By this I mean keep your options open to the broader scope of the populace, but without dilluting your core group. For instance, the chess tournaments I mentioned above while clearly not the traditional PC gaming, may generate some interest amongst casual hobbiests. Another example could be racing tournaments or something like having a monthly track selected and whoever finishes with the best time wins a prize. Easy to keep going with all the possibilities, and I know that it has already been mentioned and you already stated support but it can be such a huge selling point that it should be mentioned again. Of course, you might even be able to get away with a FPS tournament and find some interest:p

4. Web presence and role of web. --

I can see you using the web as an added bonus aspect for your business in a couple of different ways. One clearly is offering a fast internet connection, the question is how fast will it be and will you allow people to DL content to removeable media to take with them? I don't know about other people, but I know I would pay for a membership simply for that reason, the rest would be some truly nice gravy. Being stuck on dial up and needing to DL multiple 30-50MB patches on top of trying to check out demos and regular software patches etc is a pain. Offering a service to burn patches etc onto a CD-R, for an added fee of course and for members only;) , could be a nice added service though it may in fact be a much larger pain to keep up then it is worth. That is one oddball one that may not have been though of, or may have been and was thrown out for the administrative pain it would be.

One area, for promoting your place and adding a sense of &quot;community&quot; could be an up to date score tracker of sorts, logging all information for games played on site and keep track of ongoing tournaments and weekly or monthly challenges if you have them- perhaps an auto updating site via the server(I don't know how that would work, that isn't my area). Also a member BBS to promote the ever important discussion/trash talking and help to give an entire sense of community. I know that I would take a four hour drive and pay money to get a chance to meet many members of this BBS and enjoy some time gaming with them side by side, let alone a quick trip to a place I have a membership for.

Another possibility that could eliminate geography in terms of promotions, have a &quot;design the best Q3/UT etc level contest and use that for a championship tournament round(keep the finalists blind to the map until showtime and then offer it to members). This is a contest you could also start on a local basis and on the web before everything is setup. Have a large tournament opening weekend using that map or all of the maps that are decent to keep everyone off balance. The contest itself, particularly if giving away a half way decent prize, will generate word of mouth on its own and bring an extra challenge to the table for a competitive environment.

5. Sell product? --

Absolutely. What to sell, and how much to stock is the tricky part but I'm sure you have a better grasp as to the amount of possible traffic and also the economic conditions in your area.

6. Business partnerships. --

This could be tricky in some aspects. If you drop selling of computer related material, you could probably bag any local shops easily. Even if you do sell products that may still work for you, you could use them as a distributor of sorts if a deal could be struck. Split the profits with them, and let them handle inventory. You could use it as a small revenue generator and a larger promotional tool, and leave the handling of goods to them for the most part. This simplifies your end of dealing with things, though striking an acceptable deal could be a bit more difficult. Intel would be real nice to bag, offer some Intel Inside logo promise, a large logo of some sort, for possible reduced prices or promotional aids? I don't know what type of work would be involved in landing such a deal, what type of control do the local operations have over such things as promotions?

7. Alliances to join. --

Any gamers league you can find and if you can't find one, make one yourself to start with. Great promotional tool and also a bit of free(or reduced) advertisement when they have events. Other then that I must say I have no idea without knowing the makeup of your local businesses. In the broader sense it ties in with issue 9.

8. Advertising. --

Word of mouth is the best type, no doubt. For initial advertsising I would suggest local HS, any and all PC shops you can find, grocery stores, retail stores and of course word of mouth. Start talking now, and trying to spread as much hype as you can to get people talking. Something along the lines of &quot;10-10-2000- Untamo Gaming Center- Think you have game? www.untamo.com&quot; Or some other such thing that is cheesy enough to stick in people's heads. Combined with word of mouth it should help to generate some hype. With the limits of 24-32 machines I wouldn't go overboard with advertising budgets, use word of mouth as much as possible and set up a web site ASAP promoting exactly what you will have to offer.

9. Computers. Hardware &amp; Software-

This part is one of the trickiest. Do you play the complete clone game and have all identical machines at the possible cost of alienating partisans? An all Intel situation seems like it could have added benefits beyond any potential hard feelings by the AMD crowd, but 3dfx vs nVidia can cause problems in certain aspects. You want your systems to run games as well as possible, but each offering has strengths and weaknesses and does carry some zealotry weight along with it. Chosing to go entirely one platform can offer you benefits though, you can utilize it for possible perks from say 3dfx or Hercules. Both are very concerned with the image of their companies and being an exclusive provider to a place such as you are working on could be worth far more to them then any possible deals they may be willing to cut on hardware. I think a price per system and when you will be building them would help for the general gaming rig quite a bit.

Servers aren't my thing, I trust that many others on this board have advice far better then what I can give so I'll skip that. Software for OS it seems a no brainer, WindowsME or 98SE depending on when you are building the machines. What games to buy, and how many licenses can be very tricky. UT, Q3 and Half-Life are no brainers, but beyond that it gets more difficult. I would strongly reccomend having a racing game or two or three on hand, but which ones and then you deal with the added expense of steering wheel/pedal controllers(would pretty much be required I would think). For that matter, I would reccomend going with a couple of different makes of joysticks and gamepads to offer to customers, along with a couple of different keyboards and mouse options. The total experience is a big impact IMHO and one of the reasons I spend $8-$12 going to a movie theater even though I have several thousand tied up in my entertainment center.

10 is again best discussed with many others of this board. I'm sorry if I was too long winded or avoided the KISS basis too much, just so many possibilites with this, with your determination I can't see you failing and I know I would love to have a place like this in my area(roughly 3,000 miles away from you). Best of luck to you.
 

Untamo

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You guys are great, I LOVE the long reply's they're really good for me. Here's more of a specific question?

What would keep you comming back to a gaming center?
 

Brooks

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untamo

Regarding your first answer to me - good! I like the idea of these things, I just have not personally seen them work (granted I live in a small city), but if you have been able to profit significantly from a smaller one all the power to ya!

Brooks
 

jblondi

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The first 2 things that come to mind are; new games, and people. If you are the first person there, that kinda sucks. Are all the people going to want to play the same game? I think that it would also be very effective if you got the demos of brandy new games to play before anyone else has them.
 

bones10

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One thing I can think of that will keep people coming back is to put up a top 10 players list on the wall. Keep player stats if you can.

If nothing else you will get people coming back to improve their stats.
 

Marty

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I think a nice feature would be a bank of monitors which show the games in progress. You'd have to split the output and run it to two seperate monitors. I think it'd be a nice feature for the lounge area someone mentioned. If it were visible from the entrance, it would also make passerbyes want to come in and check it out.

Also, when building and upgrading machines, I would say stay away from working like a normal PC shop. Don't worry about stocking components. Instead, I would recommend a model where you charge a certain fee for building the computer and then get the parts from a distributor. Sell the parts at cost. Make this clear to the people. You aren't in the same buisness as a PC shop, all you do is put the parts together. I think this would be a better route. Same thing with upgrades.

Marty
 

Marty

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I second what bones10 said. People will aspire to move up the ranks, and will come back to do so.

Marty
 

Untamo

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I already have the 24 15&quot; Monitors needed for the &quot;lounge&quot; I'm happy to hear someone say that Idea, cause it's spendy to run monitor cable that far :]
 

Windogg

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Weekly prizes for the top player of the week will keep em coming. It can be as simple as 10 free hours of play (doesn't cost you anything). Those that win once might try for it again and spend more. Even cheap prizes like a SoundBlaster Live! or MS Gamepad will keep people interested. Have a monthly drawing for a larger prize like a GeForce256 or CD-RW.

Windogg
 

Ulfwald

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What would keep me coming back???

Knowledgable and customer service oriented help. Some one who got to know me as a customer. Free advice from all who work there.

If you have enclosures for each gaming unit, then have comfortable chairs, adjustable environment, and maybe some special effects in each booth, ie a sound sensitive strobe light or neon lights in the booth. Make each &quot;station unique in the fact that it's physical make up is different. But make sure each PC is equal, otherwise someone may gripe about losing because so-n-so had a pentium while they were using an AMD.

Black light one station, strobe another, neon in one, definately killer sound in each, or a damn good set of head phones, sell those. Oh yeah, make sure you have a couple of booths for those who are physiaclly challenged, ie wheel chair accessible. I have seen some tables that are fully adjustable just for this purpose. Also you might want to offer ergonomic keyboards, mice etc just to make sure you are covered legally for those type of things.