Bug in Nero 6 could wipe your hard drive

anxi80

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yeah. but in a program like that, people shouldnt set their temp directory in the root folder. i make it a habit to always check out the programs settings first and make those kind of changes. but it is a devastating bug, and i hope it gets repaired quick!
 

Codewiz

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how is that a bug????

The user picks the root directory and tells it to delete the files already there. So it does what is asked. Only way to prevent that is to not let people use the root directory.

Sounds more like stupid idiot user errors than a bug.
 

anxi80

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Originally posted by: Codewiz
how is that a bug????

The user picks the root directory and tells it to delete the files already there. So it does what is asked. Only way to prevent that is to not let people use the root directory.

Sounds more like stupid idiot user errors than a bug.
lol, i tried to say it nicer, but i like the way you put it also! :beer:
 

fs5

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Originally posted by: Codewiz
how is that a bug????

The user picks the root directory and tells it to delete the files already there. So it does what is asked. Only way to prevent that is to not let people use the root directory.

Sounds more like stupid idiot user errors than a bug.

Right, this isn't a bug. All Nero has to do is idiot proof it.
 

Codewiz

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Originally posted by: anxi80
Originally posted by: Codewiz
how is that a bug????

The user picks the root directory and tells it to delete the files already there. So it does what is asked. Only way to prevent that is to not let people use the root directory.

Sounds more like stupid idiot user errors than a bug.
lol, i tried to say it nicer, but i like the way you put it also! :beer:

:) I treat computers like life. I don't need people to protect me from myself. If I do something stupid and the program does exactly what I tell it to then it is only my fault.

If the program does exactly as it says then it isn't a bug. A bug is a undesired malfunctioning code. This is only undesired when an idiot is using the program and it sure as heck isn't malfunctioning.

:D
 

dman

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Well, it should tell you it's going to delete all subfolders beneath that directory. I don't automatically assume a program is going to do that if it doesn't specify that. Then again, I don't OK any programs to delete stuff in my root directory either... Temp stuff gets a temp folder and I delete it manually if it doesn't delete the files it self when it's done.



 

boyRacer

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Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: anxi80
Originally posted by: Codewiz
how is that a bug????

The user picks the root directory and tells it to delete the files already there. So it does what is asked. Only way to prevent that is to not let people use the root directory.

Sounds more like stupid idiot user errors than a bug.
lol, i tried to say it nicer, but i like the way you put it also! :beer:

:) I treat computers like life. I don't need people to protect me from myself. If I do something stupid and the program does exactly what I tell it to then it is only my fault.

If the program does exactly as it says then it isn't a bug. A bug is a undesired malfunctioning code. This is only undesired when an idiot is using the program and it sure as heck isn't malfunctioning.

:D

well unfortunately... there's a lot of idiots out there too... just like life... idiots that ask for warning labels to remind them that coffee is hot. :confused:
 

Codewiz

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Originally posted by: boyRacer
Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: anxi80
Originally posted by: Codewiz
how is that a bug????

The user picks the root directory and tells it to delete the files already there. So it does what is asked. Only way to prevent that is to not let people use the root directory.

Sounds more like stupid idiot user errors than a bug.
lol, i tried to say it nicer, but i like the way you put it also! :beer:

:) I treat computers like life. I don't need people to protect me from myself. If I do something stupid and the program does exactly what I tell it to then it is only my fault.

If the program does exactly as it says then it isn't a bug. A bug is a undesired malfunctioning code. This is only undesired when an idiot is using the program and it sure as heck isn't malfunctioning.

:D

well unfortunately... there's a lot of idiots out there too... just like life... idiots that ask for warning labels to remind them that coffee is hot. :confused:

Oh yeah I totally understand but I still think it is totally stupid. I hate the mindset that we have to start doing stupid crap like that.
 

TranceNation

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I disagree. First, is the root directory the default? Second, nero should only delete files it created and nothing else, unless specifically told so. I hope some of you aren't software developers though
 

Slikkster

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Whether the term "bug" is a misnomer or not is not the real issue here, in my mind. As a practical matter, the temporary files/folders for this operation should not be permitted to be set to the root folder, at least not without a warning of consequences. That's just common sense, programming-wise, and I'm sure Nero will be quick to remedy it.
 

Codewiz

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Originally posted by: TranceNation
I disagree. First, is the root directory the default? Second, nero should only delete files it created and nothing else, unless specifically told so. I hope some of you aren't software developers though

Actually I am. I wouldn't have let this happen but that isn't the point. It is doing exactly what it states. It tells the user and the user picks to continue.

May not be the best idea to implement this way but it works as stated. Stupid users cause the problem. I guess when a program starts saying it is going to delete anything, I pay attention. I understand what it is going to delete before I ever let a program go wild on my hard drive.
 

Slikkster

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Stupid users cause the problem
So-called "stupid" users probably make up the bulk of software buyers. The overwhelming majority of computer users, in my opinion, are NOT "power users" or tech types who take this stuff for granted.

As soon as Nero hears about this issue, they will be quick to patch this. You can be sure they are thinking "uh-oh, lawsuits!" when "stupid" users unwittingly start erasing their drives.

The "blame the users" mentality might win in court, but it won't win in the court of public opinion. So, it's a no-win for any developer who adheres to that strategy.

Whenever you find yourself thinking that where computers and/or software are concerned, that everything is obvious, take the "Mom and Dad" test. Ask yourself, "would my mom and dad know this?"

My folks use computers, and my Dad has been experimenting with burning CDR's. Trust me, I'm always expecting to hear of some major calamity that I have to try to fix.
 

Lonyo

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If a stupid user feels they are competent enough to mess around with settings such as moving the folder about, they obviously think they are clever. And if they don't read warning messages about it deleting all the stuff in a folder, more fool them.
 

Codewiz

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Originally posted by: Slikkster
Stupid users cause the problem
So-called "stupid" users probably make up the bulk of software buyers. The overwhelming majority of computer users, in my opinion, are NOT "power users" or tech types who take this stuff for granted.

As soon as Nero hears about this issue, they will be quick to patch this. You can be sure they are thinking "uh-oh, lawsuits!" when "stupid" users unwittingly start erasing their drives.

The "blame the users" mentality might win in court, but it won't win in the court of public opinion. So, it's a no-win for any developer who adheres to that strategy.

Whenever you find yourself thinking that where computers and/or software are concerned, that everything is obvious, take the "Mom and Dad" test. Ask yourself, "would my mom and dad know this?"

My folks use computers, and my Dad has been experimenting with burning CDR's. Trust me, I'm always expecting to hear of some major calamity that I have to try to fix.

So basically you are saying that if a user refuses to spend the time to understand what he is doing, it is a bug? I am sorry but we can't protect people from every danger in life. Yeah the democrats try their best and the general population seems to like the idea of having everyone else protecting them but I just find it PURE laziness.

If you want to use a program, LEARN HOW TO USE IT. You don't have to be some computer geek to understand a program. If you are using the program you obviously have a use for it. Take the time to learn about it.

It isn't like we are back in the DOS days. It isn't hard for someone to learn an application.

Of course Nero will shoulder this crap. They will restrict how people can use it so that idiots can't hurt themselves.
 

fs5

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bug
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Computer Science. A defect in the code or routine of a program.

Nero states exactly what it's going to do (according to the article), therefor it's not really a defect. The program performs what the programmers intended to write. They just forgot to add checks :)
 

Double Trouble

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Some of you compugeeks simply don't understand how the real world operates. The fact that you (as the developer) know that a substantial portion of the user population could possibly be confused and cause real harm to their own systems or data should mean that you build in more safeguards.... Call it a bug or call it what you will, but it's a problem that needs fixed, and the Nero folks will fix it.

Just because a program tells the user what it's going to do does not mean the user understands the implications. That user is not "stupid" because they don't understand those implications either, they are simply not computer savy enough to deduce the implications, which has nothing to do with stupidity.
 

Lonyo

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Originally posted by: tagej
Some of you compugeeks simply don't understand how the real world operates. The fact that you (as the developer) know that a substantial portion of the user population could possibly be confused and cause real harm to their own systems or data should mean that you build in more safeguards.... Call it a bug or call it what you will, but it's a problem that needs fixed, and the Nero folks will fix it.

Just because a program tells the user what it's going to do does not mean the user understands the implications. That user is not "stupid" because they don't understand those implications either, they are simply not computer savy enough to deduce the implications, which has nothing to do with stupidity.

If you're doing something and a message pops up that you don't understand, click cancel and stop doing what you were doing. Simple enough.
You're stupid if you continue with what you're doing without understanding.
 

Slikkster

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Spot on, tagej. When people start throwing in stuff like "the democrats...blah blah", it's a lost-cause conversation, lol. Never confuse intelligence with common sense. For some, it seems, a little of one means a lack of another, like a zero-sum game.