Budget options - replacing a dead e6400

zagood

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I have a dead e6400 from a P965-DS3 (rev 1.0) which won't take 45nm chips. Tried to do the "put something in between the TRUE bracket and base to get a tighter fit" and must have crushed it.

I have a budget of around $160, looking for the best bang for the buck.

Here are my options:

1. Replace chip with comparable or better 65nm part - hard to find new for good prices, looking at used ones in FS/T.

2. Replace chip and motherboard - e8400 and crap mobo

3. Replace chip and motherboard - e5200 or e7x00 and decent mobo.

4. Replace chip and motherboard - Some AMD combo?

Mostly gaming, moderate photoshop/dreamweaver, minor video editing. Other parts are 8800GTS 640mb, Corsair 620HX, 4gb ram, Vista 64, the usual.

Thanks for any opinions!

-z
 

Nightsilencer

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According to your options, I would say get a decent mobo, and an E7300.

It would be ideal if you could get an E8400, but the E7300 is just as good if you overclock it. It has less cache, but still, it's a very good CPU.

If you Overclock it to 3ghz+, you have a CPU that will last a long time for gaming. Mark my words.

Don't buy into the Quad core hype, people tell you a quad will last longer, which isn't exactly true. Byt the time Intel's Core 2 architecture starts to suck for games, it doesn't matter if you have a Duo or a Quad, believe me. But that shouldn't happen in the next 2-3 years, so you're good to go.

 

bruceyg

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just get a Q6600 and OC it to 3Ghz (mine is running at 3ghz with vcore lowered to 1.25v), paired with 8gb ddr2 RAM(will cost less than $50), pretty fast machine to me.
 

zagood

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Originally posted by: Nightsilencer
According to your options, I would say get a decent mobo, and an E7300.

I'm assuming e7300 over e7200 just because of the multiplier?
 

Nightsilencer

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Originally posted by: bruceyg
just get a Q6600 and OC it to 3Ghz (mine is running at 3ghz with vcore lowered to 1.25v), paired with 8gb ddr2 RAM(will cost less than $50), pretty fast machine to me.

Since he mostly games, a quad core is a bit too much. The other tasks he mentioned can be done with a dual core with its hands tied.

I wonder why people always recommend quad cores, regardless of what people do. Guess what: like I said, a CPU that is in the Core 2 family (Duo OR Quad) will last exactly the same in terms of acceptable perfomance. If you want a machine that will still play games 3 years from now, get a good, solid Duo and you're set.

GET THIS: A major perfomance factor of a CPU is also its architecture. As long as Core 2 remains a viable platform, it doesn't really matter if you have a Duo or a Quad. Poeple claim a Quad will last longer, which isn't true.

By the time you see a Core 2 Duo sucking at games (which won't happen in the next 3 years at least) you can expect to see your Quads struggling as well. Remember people, C2Quads are just 2 C2D glued together.
 

bruceyg

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If you replace your current motherboard, you have to reinstall everything including OS, all drivers.. what a hassle. I don't care whether it is two C2Ds or three C2Ds glued. I can play games with downloading and other applications running at background. I wasn't able to do that with my E4300 OCed to 3Ghz. The file decompression time of WinRAR is cut in almost the half. People are not fools, this chip has the most 5egg reviews at newegg.


Originally posted by: Nightsilencer
Originally posted by: bruceyg
just get a Q6600 and OC it to 3Ghz (mine is running at 3ghz with vcore lowered to 1.25v), paired with 8gb ddr2 RAM(will cost less than $50), pretty fast machine to me.

Since he mostly games, a quad core is a bit too much. The other tasks he mentioned can be done with a dual core with its hands tied.

I wonder why people always recommend quad cores, regardless of what people do. Guess what: like I said, a CPU that is in the Core 2 family (Duo OR Quad) will last exactly the same in terms of acceptable perfomance. If you want a machine that will still play games 3 years from now, get a good, solid Duo and you're set.

GET THIS: A major perfomance factor of a CPU is also its architecture. As long as Core 2 remains a viable platform, it doesn't really matter if you have a Duo or a Quad. Poeple claim a Quad will last longer, which isn't true.

By the time you see a Core 2 Duo sucking at games (which won't happen in the next 3 years at least) you can expect to see your Quads struggling as well. Remember people, C2Quads are just 2 C2D glued together.

 

yh125d

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Originally posted by: Nightsilencer
Originally posted by: bruceyg
just get a Q6600 and OC it to 3Ghz (mine is running at 3ghz with vcore lowered to 1.25v), paired with 8gb ddr2 RAM(will cost less than $50), pretty fast machine to me.

Since he mostly games, a quad core is a bit too much. The other tasks he mentioned can be done with a dual core with its hands tied.

I wonder why people always recommend quad cores, regardless of what people do. Guess what: like I said, a CPU that is in the Core 2 family (Duo OR Quad) will last exactly the same in terms of acceptable perfomance. If you want a machine that will still play games 3 years from now, get a good, solid Duo and you're set.

GET THIS: A major perfomance factor of a CPU is also its architecture. As long as Core 2 remains a viable platform, it doesn't really matter if you have a Duo or a Quad. Poeple claim a Quad will last longer, which isn't true.

By the time you see a Core 2 Duo sucking at games (which won't happen in the next 3 years at least) you can expect to see your Quads struggling as well. Remember people, C2Quads are just 2 C2D glued together.

You have alot to learn, young grasshopper. In the future, when most games will be bringing a C2D to its knees, those games will all be quad threaded, which will essentially DOUBLE the power of the CPU. So yes, a quad *will* last longer before it's obsolete
 

cusideabelincoln

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My suggestion: Pick up an E7300 and motheroboard or a Phenom 8750 and motherboard.

Nightsilencer: Go look at some GTA4 benchmarks. A cheaper Phenom processor smokes the likes of an E8400.
 

LoneNinja

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My opinions are either just grab yourself a Q6600 because your motherboard should support it since its 65nm. Or grab a new board and an E5200. The 7750 from AMD isn't a bad chip, but when overclocked can't compete well with the E5200. Any new quad from Intel or AMD with a new motherboard is probably out of your price range as well.


As far as the debate with Quad vs Duel I agree that the Quad will last longer than a duel core. Sure by the time the C2D is brought to its knees the C2Q won't fair much better, but it'll still be fighting. Look at AMD's K8, at one time the Athlon X2 was much more expensive and offered few performance gains. Look at it now though, the X2 is still a decent budget chip while the single core Athlon/Sempron are basically gone and unable to compete.
 

Nightsilencer

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yh125d said: "You have alot to learn, young grasshopper. In the future, when most games will be bringing a C2D to its knees, those games will all be quad threaded, which will essentially DOUBLE the power of the CPU. So yes, a quad *will* last longer before it's obsolete"

cusideabelincoln said:: "Nightsilencer: Go look at some GTA4 benchmarks. A cheaper Phenom processor smokes the likes of an E8400."


LoneNinja said:: "As far as the debate with Quad vs Duel I agree that the Quad will last longer than a duel core. Sure by the time the C2D is brought to its knees the C2Q won't fair much better, but it'll still be fighting. Look at AMD's K8, at one time the Athlon X2 was much more expensive and offered few performance gains. Look at it now though, the X2 is still a decent budget chip while the single core Athlon/Sempron are basically gone and unable to compete."

To all of you, take good look at this:
http://www.pcgameshardware.com..._13_processors/?page=2

Do you see the E8400 being SMOKED by any quad core? Especially the mentioned Phenom? I sure don't!

Plus, what you see here is the QX getting 38FPS OVERCLOCKED, and the E8400 gets 28 @ STOCK speeds! Quads are nowhere near the double perfomance of a fast Dual core. There's nothing to warrant getting a Quad core over a dual for gaming.

bruceyg said: [B]"II can play games with downloading and other applications running at background. I wasn't able to do that with my E4300 OCed to 3Ghz. The file decompression time of WinRAR is cut in almost the half. People are not fools, this chip has the most 5egg reviews at newegg."

I'm not sure what you mean, but I can play games, download and have applications running on the background as well with my E8400. But, IF OF COURSE you want to game while rendering stuff, converting movies or any other demanding tasks, of course a Quad will be better. But that's only if you MULTITASK HEAVILY. Most of us just want to play the game. You should have known better, because Duos and Quads have slightly different purposes, and it's all about multitasking. A Quad doesn't bring a significat benefit over anything else.


Another thing to all of you "gurus" is, games won't have a defined set of thread number. This means that a games won't spwan 4 threads right of the box, multithreading is all about scalability, so if it detects a dual core, it will spawn 2 threads, a Quad it will spawn 4 threads, and so on.

Another thing, to the guy who mentioned the X2's and the Athlons/semprons, you are talking about DIFFERENT architectures/technologies. Plus, name ONE SINGLE game a single core Athlon 64 3500+ for example, can't run nowadays. And when the X2's came out, back in 2005, was there even a single game that was multithreaded? Of course not! There's why the performance was so similar.

I know what I'm talking about when I say that architecture IS THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR of CPU performance. You can preach Quad over Dual all you want, just don't go crying when you see your beloved Quads crawling when Duos start to do the same.

But don't worry, Core 2 architecture (Duo or Quad) will be viable for a few years to come. Get a Duo, get a Quad, it will make no difference when the technology behind these CPUs is not sufficient. Tell yourself whatever you want, but there's no other way around this.
 

zagood

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Hey, hey, guys, calm down now. I know the benefits/drawbacks of quad vs. dual, and I appreciate the input, but come on...

Here's the thing...I want to upgrade at some point, but I don't have the money right now. If I'm going to upgrade, I want to really upgrade, and a Q6600, while being a much better chip than the e6400, isn't a real step forward in technology as compared to the new architecture that's coming out now. If I could find one of those $140 retail deals that we saw last year, I'd pick one up in a heartbeat, but I'm not going to buy a used one for $160 (which is what most offers coming my way are priced at) or a new one for $200.

Actually best price I've found is from Dell, $176+tax. Still a little too much.

If I'm going for a used drop-in, I want to stay under $100. I'm willing to pay more for new.
 

Duvie

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The Q6600's have actually gone up recently so unless you pick up a sed and possibly hammered one you wont touch 140 for a Q6600

Get the E7300 and a good P45 mobo. The P45 mobo will give you a nice 45nm jump to a yorkfield later...
 

Duvie

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ofcourse not to mention OC that thing to 3.6ghz-3.8ghz with your TRUE for a little upgrade feel....