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BSN article:AMD Insiders Speak Out: BAPCo Exit is An Excuse for bulldozer performance

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Everything is speculation till it comes out. I suspect there's more then a little truth in the BSN article - I mean it basically says BD is slow, engineers are upset and AMD corporate are trying to hide the fact.

We'd already concluded BD was slow - that's almost certainly why it was delayed (again). The rest is just a consequence of that.
 
GaiaHunter said:
16 of July there will be the [H] lan (http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1037335089#post1037335089) so maybe we will hear more about BD then and I wouldn't show a dog with Kyle around especially if the release is only 2 months later or 2012.
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Hmm. If Bulldozer will be there I wonder if this will be an exclusive sneak peak, if attendee's will be required to sign an NDA, or if the NDA for Bulldozer will lift around that time.

I'm hoping the latter is the case, though I'm sure there are other possibilities. Heck, if AMD is willing to demo Bulldozer mid-July, does that suggest an earlier August release rather than late August/September?
 
This feels like a tiny ship of the whole story. Maybe the parties within BAPCo just couldn't agree on how an supposedly objective benchmark should be put together.

Even if the article is true, then it really only says something about how BD would perform in sysmark - and not anything about real world performance.

I have yet to see any even remotely valid clue about BD's performance - the speculation going on is plain ridiculous. The reason for the delay could be a number of things from last minute tweaks to the design, volume production conditions, chipset issues, etc. It's quite a stretch to conclude that it must be performing poorly because it's delayed.
 
Red Dawn said:
Actually that would be the logical conclusion though we don't know that for a fact because AMD is being tight lipped about it
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Hardly the only logical conclusion.

It's logical that AMD does not disclose the performance of BD untill they are ready to bring volume production to the market. Launching a great performing vaporware product would both generate badwill as well as giving Intel the chance to catch up faster.

There are multiple possible logical explanations for the BD delay - many of which would have nothing to do with BD performance.
 
Arg Clin said:
Hardly the only logical conclusion.

It's logical that AMD does not disclose the performance of BD untill they are ready to bring volume production to the market. Launching a great performing vaporware product would both generate badwill as well as giving Intel the chance to catch up faster.

There are multiple possible logical explanations for the BD delay - many of which would have nothing to do with BD performance.
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I'd think if they had a World Beater on their hands they'd be shouting it from the Rooftops.Lets hope you're right.
 
They aren't going to shout until they have enough parts stockpiled to do an actual launch. That's one of the signs there was going to be a delay from the June timeline, not even a peep the week before the retail launch. When we start hearing more solid rumors from reliable tech news sources then odds are good BD is going to launch.

Wondering if the HardOCP event in July is going to be the start of the officially unofficial prelaunch info distribution.
 
Red Dawn said:
I'd think if they had a World Beater on their hands they'd be shouting it from the Rooftops.Lets hope you're right.
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The last time AMD really got on top of the game was when they caught Intel completely by surprise with the K7 launch. Intel didn't have anything remotely able to best the K7. However they quite quickly managed to give the old P6 design a good overhaul in order to not fall completely behind. What would be a complete disaster for AMD would be to show off a well performing BD just to see Intel push Ivy Bridge forward and have it out before AMD could bring BD to the market in volume.

AMD should be very scared of this - Intel does have the resources to pull something like this. Given the crawl in CPU development lately it seems very plausible that Intel has a lot of tricks in the back hand just in case AMD gets it right. History repeats itself.

(of course that also means that us users are missing out on a lot but that's a whole other debate)

I don't know if I'm right or wrong - it's just a theory like every other piece of speculation - what's important is not to jump to conclusions.
 
yottabit said:
Oh God, I thought it was an interesting read until you guys pointed out it was Theo Valich. He's the same one that claimed that AM2 would have "Reverse Hyper-Threading"
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1005560/amd-socket-am2-has-a-secret-weapon

I would treat anything he'd write much like you'd treat a tabloid
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Thanks for the laugh, that article was hilarious! Theo is, um, how shall I put this delicately...he's a retard.


From reading the comments in this article, it appears that there is still some doubt about BD. Guys, with another massive delay I think that we can put the doubt to bed: BD is going to disappoint from a performance perspective. Now this doesn't mean that it can't still become highly competitive in the market, like, say, 69x0 was for their gpu division, but that will be more a function of price and 2nd tier performance/price than absolute performance. If nothing else, even if BD is everything that all of us AMD fans hoped/dreamed it would be, SB-E and IB are going to be so close on its heels that any potential market leadership/competitiveness will be very short-lived.

Remember, if it's early or on time it is typically the performance leader or at least quite competitive. As it gets later, and later...and later... you eventually have to come to grips with the fact that it's gonna be a dud. If/when intel is in the same boat then AMD can get away with things like this, but when intel is hitting on all/most cylinders (as they were until this spring) then any shortcomings become more problematic. Intel's hiccup game amd some breathing room, but that room is just about exhausted now.
 
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bryanW1995 said:
Thanks for the laugh, that article was hilarious! Theo is, um, how shall I put this delicately...he's a retard.
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The thing with Theo, or really any aspiring journalist/blogger who is in that position, is that he was ripe to be tweaked with by just about anyone who had an AMD badge and email address.

You could have been the C-shift janitor, claimed you were the lead architect designing AMD's next-gen core and it was going to have reverse-threading, and Theo would have believed you to be legit and written an article about it.

The gullible make for rather easy organization of subterfuge and seeding disinformation...something AMD is/was rather proud of itself for having orchestrated in the past.

I don't blame Theo for likely being a victim, willing or not, of practical jokes and organized disinformation...but it was sad that a non-zero percentage of equally naive and gullible netizens seized on Theo's article at the time as being gospel truth.

I think he might still be getting punked, the article today that was sourced by some disgruntled engineers seemed rather contrived, and the timing a bit all too convenient.
 
Idontcare said:
The thing with Theo, or really any aspiring journalist/blogger who is in that position, is that he was ripe to be tweaked with by just about anyone who had an AMD badge and email address.

You could have been the C-shift janitor, claimed you were the lead architect designing AMD's next-gen core and it was going to have reverse-threading, and Theo would have believed you to be legit and written an article about it.

The gullible make for rather easy organization of subterfuge and seeding disinformation...something AMD is/was rather proud of itself for having orchestrated in the past.

I don't blame Theo for likely being a victim, willing or not, of practical jokes and organized disinformation...but it was sad that a non-zero percentage of equally naive and gullible netizens seized on Theo's article at the time as being gospel truth.

I think he might still be getting punked, the article today that was sourced by some disgruntled engineers seemed rather contrived, and the timing a bit all too convenient.
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Thing is though, you'd expect tech journalists to have at least a basic understanding of what they are writing about. If they did, that article would never have gotten passed the editor. Theo and most of the other expats from TheINQ seem to be genuinly clueless about these things which is why they post these articles time and again. It's either that or they are totally just making it up to gain page hits which IMHO would be far worse if that is the case.
 
jones377 said:
Thing is though, you'd expect tech journalists to have at least a basic understanding of what they are writing about. If they did, that article would never have gotten passed the editor. Theo and most of the other expats from TheINQ seem to be genuinly clueless about these things which is why they post these articles time and again. It's either that or they are totally just making it up to gain page hits which IMHO would be far worse if that is the case.
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True, there is a persistent level of desperation on their part to find something/anything to publish at times...but let's be honest, the same could be said of their audience as well. :\
 
Hopefully this article is just FUD, but if not then this is definitely bad news for AMD.

I can already see the title of Anand's article: "Bulldozer gets Bulldozed"
 
Im not really going to worry about it if its hype or not we will just have to wait for ananad to chew on it and tell us how it taste.
 
Arg Clin said:
"a dud" priced at $ 300+? ask yourselves - does this make sense?
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Even better, the AMD of late (the GPU side) has a history of keeping things under-wrap right up until the day of launch and they tend to under-price at time of launch (leading to shortages, which no one was happy about either).

There could be upside surprise here in a $300 part that should have been priced for $350 or $400.
 
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