Brown Gold??

[1EZduzit]

Converting Manure to Oil: U of I Lays Groundwork for One-of-a-Kind Pilot Plant

Research at the University of Illinois is one step closer to opening up a billion-dollar market to the hog industry and reducing U.S. dependence on crude oil imports. U of I scientists have teamed with industry partners to design a pilot plant for a large commercial livestock farm that will convert swine manure to crude oil.

Wow, that would be cool if they can make this technology feasible. It could solve two problems at once.

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Converting Manure to Oil: U of I Lays Groundwork for One-of-a-Kind Pilot Plant

Research at the University of Illinois is one step closer to opening up a billion-dollar market to the hog industry and reducing U.S. dependence on crude oil imports. U of I scientists have teamed with industry partners to design a pilot plant for a large commercial livestock farm that will convert swine manure to crude oil.

Wow, that would be cool if they can make this technology feasible. It could solve two problems at once.

I wonder if it can be modified to burn the crap the Republicans are shoveling?

 

[Stunt]

Interesting.

Although using large amounts of energy (coal generated) to create more fossil fuels isn't the innovation i'd like to see from higher oil prices. More nuclear, renewable energy is needed.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: catnap1972

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Converting Manure to Oil: U of I Lays Groundwork for One-of-a-Kind Pilot Plant

Research at the University of Illinois is one step closer to opening up a billion-dollar market to the hog industry and reducing U.S. dependence on crude oil imports. U of I scientists have teamed with industry partners to design a pilot plant for a large commercial livestock farm that will convert swine manure to crude oil.

Wow, that would be cool if they can make this technology feasible. It could solve two problems at once.

I wonder if it can be modified to burn the crap the Republicans are shoveling?

If they could do that we could be an oil exporter. :laugh:

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: catnap1972

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Converting Manure to Oil: U of I Lays Groundwork for One-of-a-Kind Pilot Plant

Research at the University of Illinois is one step closer to opening up a billion-dollar market to the hog industry and reducing U.S. dependence on crude oil imports. U of I scientists have teamed with industry partners to design a pilot plant for a large commercial livestock farm that will convert swine manure to crude oil.

Wow, that would be cool if they can make this technology feasible. It could solve two problems at once.

I wonder if it can be modified to burn the crap the Republicans are shoveling?

Why limit yourself to half the crap?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: catnap1972

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Converting Manure to Oil: U of I Lays Groundwork for One-of-a-Kind Pilot Plant

Research at the University of Illinois is one step closer to opening up a billion-dollar market to the hog industry and reducing U.S. dependence on crude oil imports. U of I scientists have teamed with industry partners to design a pilot plant for a large commercial livestock farm that will convert swine manure to crude oil.

Wow, that would be cool if they can make this technology feasible. It could solve two problems at once.

I wonder if it can be modified to burn the crap the Republicans are shoveling?

Why limit yourself to half the crap?

Because, as 1EZduzit says, we would be an exporter on the GOP crap alone. If we threw in the Dem. crap, we would be in a trade surplus situation. Couldn't have that, now could we? :laugh:

This follows the line of the "Anything Into Oil" article from Discover magazine. To address Stunt, the "Anything Into Oil" took only 15% of the energy that was produced to create oil. In other words, 100% - 15% = 85% more than what you started with. Take waste and make oil. Take 15% of that batch to make the next batch, etc, etc, etc.


http://www.changingworldtech.com/when/index.asp

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Interesting.

Although using large amounts of energy (coal generated) to create more fossil fuels isn't the innovation i'd like to see from higher oil prices. More nuclear, renewable energy is needed.

There is going to come a point where we can't be picky and will need to utilize all our energy sources.

 

[Meuge]

Well, what's really good about generating chemical fuels from recycled organics, is the fact that they don't add to the overall CO2 pool when burned. Any organics can be turned into hydrocarbons if you apply a high enough pressure under the right conditions. Ideally, all our organic garbage should go straight to become diesel fuel.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Meuge
...Ideally, all our organic garbage should go straight to become diesel fuel.

Send in the politicians





















As fuel

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Meuge
...Ideally, all our organic garbage should go straight to become diesel fuel.

Send in the politicians





















As fuel

The article says they are in the process of refining the technology to work with human waste???

 

[dmcowen674]

3-4-2006 Japanese Make Gasoline From Cattle Dung

TOKYO - Scientists in energy-poor Japan said Friday they have found a new source of gasoline ? cattle dung.

Sakae Shibusawa, an agriculture engineering professor at the Tokyo University of Agriculture and Technology, said his team has successfully extracted .042 ounces of gasoline from every 3.5 ounces of cow dung by applying high pressure and heat.

About 551,155 tons of cattle dung are produced each year in Japan, he said.

The team, helped by staff from the National Institute of Advanced Industrial Science and Technology near Tokyo, produced gasoline by adding several unspecified metal catalysts to the dung inside a container and applying a 30-atmosphere pressure and heat of up to 300 degrees Celsius (572 Fahrenheit), Shibusawa said. Details of the catalysts could not be disclosed, he added.
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This is old news.

The metal is ordinary Zinc.

Oil barons have kept this under wraps since the mid 1960's.

 

[1EZduzit]

I think this process is different??

"The process we developed is different from most conventional TCC processes," said Zhang. "There is no need for the addition of a catalyst, and our process does not require pre-drying of the manure."

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
I think this process is different??

"The process we developed is different from most conventional TCC processes," said Zhang. "There is no need for the addition of a catalyst, and our process does not require pre-drying of the manure."

Basically the same.

They just add a little bit of magnessium which actually allows the dung to catch on fire so less of a heat source is needed to kick start the process.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
This is old news.

The metal is ordinary Zinc.

Oil barons have kept this under wraps since the mid 1960's.

Dave, this seems to be a new development; the technology will not be ready for 5 years.

Article explains Japan produces 550,000 tons of dung, where 3.5oz dung = 0.042 oz gas.

calcs:
5,000,000,000 oz dung total = 210,000,000 oz gas.
210,000,000 oz gas = 6,200,000 L gas.

Japan's consumption of gas last year was 449L per person (57,200,000,000L nationally)

Therefore I wouldn't hold my breath for this to solve any first world country's energy concerns. The MAXIMUM gasoline represents 0.01% of 2000 consumption.

 

[Moonbeam]

So how much human manure does Japan produce?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Dave, this seems to be a new development; the technology will not be ready for 5 years.

You're such a good puppet. Congrats on your obediency, your keepers must be so proud.

 

[Meuge]

It's just a matter of conditions. 30 atmospheres is nothing. Have them put in under 200 atmospheres in a Platinum-coated chamber, and you'll see that percentage go way up. Like I said before... it's a simple reduction reaction.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Meuge
It's just a matter of conditions. 30 atmospheres is nothing. Have them put in under 200 atmospheres in a Platinum-coated chamber, and you'll see that percentage go way up. Like I said before... it's a simple reduction reaction.

Exactly but equipment for 200 atmospheres is expensive and a lot more costly to run.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Meuge
...Ideally, all our organic garbage should go straight to become diesel fuel.

Send in the politicians


As fuel

Think we could all float around in hot air balloons for really cheap to boot.

I'm not against this at all, but I'd still like to know if it burns any cleaner than pulled out the earth oil.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Meuge
It's just a matter of conditions. 30 atmospheres is nothing. Have them put in under 200 atmospheres in a Platinum-coated chamber, and you'll see that percentage go way up. Like I said before... it's a simple reduction reaction.

Exactly but equipment for 200 atmospheres is expensive and a lot more costly to run.

Well. it would likely output more power than it took... and with time the cost would recoup themselves. As with most other progressive technologies, the size of the initial long-term investment will determine how effective it will be.

The reasons why these are not built everywhere are the same as with additional fission power plants, fusion research, etc... - the initial investment required is large, so few corporations would be willing to make such a commitment, and the government funds have been bought by oil companies.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Stunt
Dave, this seems to be a new development; the technology will not be ready for 5 years.

You're such a good puppet. Congrats on your obediency, your keepers must be so proud.

So every nation in the world, even Japan; the most dependent on imported oil is corrupted by the big evil oil companies?

Give me a break.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Stunt
Dave, this seems to be a new development; the technology will not be ready for 5 years.

You're such a good puppet. Congrats on your obediency, your keepers must be so proud.

So every nation in the world, even Japan; the most dependent on imported oil is corrupted by the big evil oil companies?

Give me a break.

I am not surprised, you are still a puppy being trained.

Tell me this same thing in twenty years.

Never heard of the G8 eh?