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Broadwell-E

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Lepton87

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I want people to post in this thread everything that is known about Broadwell-E. Also feel free to speculate. Do you think it's staying at 6C for non-X parts and 8C for X parts for the desktop with a native 8C die or maybe Intel will abandon the native 8C die in favor of the 10C die? For example SB-E was never sold in its full configuration for enthusiasts. I would hope BW-E would start at 10C because 8C die would be very tiny like 200mm2 and cooling that would be hard. I hope 8C for K parts and 10C for the X part all from the same 10C die. What makes me thing that this is not going to happen is the disparity between that and the mainstream line that would be just too much of a difference. Is anything confirmed yet? Unforunately my HW-E turned out to be a dud so I want to change it as quickly as possible. 4.3GHz stable? Pathetic and the amount of additional voltage required to achieve that over 4.2GHz is absurd so I'll leave it at 4.2 and I'm still looking for the lowest voltage possible.
 
Arachnotronic said:
From the "tick" to the "tock"? IVB-E -> HSW-E 🙂

If you mean "tock" to the "tick" then also yes. i7-975 -> i7-980x.
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Ah yes, that is what I meant, from tock to tick. And so the answer would be yes then, given the lack of core IPC improvements for BW over HW we should expect the -E platform to boost the core count.
 
Idontcare said:
Ah yes, that is what I meant, from tock to tick. And so the answer would be yes then, given the lack of core IPC improvements for BW over HW we should expect the -E platform to boost the core count.
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I wish that were so...

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Idontcare said:
If they are keeping TDP the same and keeping core count the same on a SKU-to-SKU basis then the reasonable conclusion one is drawn to make is that Intel intends to seriously boost the clockspeeds of BW-E over HW-E.
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I agree. There's a lot of room to lift the 3.00GHz base clock that the HSW-E 8C ships at. 3.5GHz+ base across all eight cores wouldn't seem far-fetched at all.
 
OP, would discussing Broadwell-K be OK to do in this thread? The other Broadwell thread has overwhelmingly been about low-wattage parts.
 
Idontcare said:
If they are keeping TDP the same and keeping core count the same on a SKU-to-SKU basis then the reasonable conclusion one is drawn to make is that Intel intends to seriously boost the clockspeeds of BW-E over HW-E.
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Don't bet the farm on that. From SB-E to IB-E they kept core counts same, and gave a whopping 100MHz boost to base clock (while keeping boost clock the same).

I'm just hoping the smaller die means that prices come down on the 8 core.
 
crashtech said:
OP, would discussing Broadwell-K be OK to do in this thread? The other Broadwell thread has overwhelmingly been about low-wattage parts.
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sure why not? it's not like there's much information available about e parts because their launch is further out in time
 
I'd say best case is the middle SKU getting bumped to 8 cores and the lowest SKU getting bumped to 40 lanes.
 
Arachnotronic said:
Waiting on Skylake-E personally. That way, I'll get a "tock" CPU and a brand new platform.
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Skylake-E will be the first time I consider a high end platform.
Mostly because by then, I'll have finished all of my home theater components I want and PC gaming will be the only hobby I spend a substantial amount of money on.
 
tential said:
Skylake-E will be the first time I consider a high end platform.
Mostly because by then, I'll have finished all of my home theater components I want and PC gaming will be the only hobby I spend a substantial amount of money on.
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Nice. Yeah, the high end platforms are nice. If DDR4 weren't so prohibitively expensive, I think a lot of people buying 4790Ks would actually buy X99 + 5820K. I think the extra 2 cores + richer platform are far more useful to enthusiasts than an increasingly large iGPU.
 
ClockHound said:
In the fall most likely.








The exact year is TBA. 😉
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if I were Intel, I would launch this sucker in Q3 2016. Can't let the HEDT platform fall too much further behind. Late 2016 Intel should be ramping Cannonlake for mainstream (unless it's a notebook-only type deal similar to Broadwell...)
 
ClockHound said:
In the fall most likely.








The exact year is TBA. 😉
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What? Didn't you confuse the Skylake-E with the BW-E? I'm not even sure BW-E will happen by then.
ps. Sorry for being obtuse. I didn't read your last sentence. Of course you weren't talking about 2015.
 
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"According to the Chinese website VR-Zone Intel plans on sending pre-ES's of Breadwell-E CPUs to partners in Q2 2015, Engineering Samples in week 36 of 2015 and plan on releasing the final retail product in Q1 2016. Broadwell-E is not expected to be very different from the Haswell-E release, in terms of feature-set and pricing."
http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/cpu_mainboard/intel_delays_desktop_broadwell-e_until_2016/1

Given more than a year time span between HW-E and expected launch time frame for BW-E, I don't foresee Skylake-E until Q4 2016 or even Q1 2017. However, I also don't see how a 5820K @ 4.2Ghz would be a major bottleneck in games unless one has Quad-Fire GM200s/390Xs. With NV/AMD supporting DSR/VSR and games continuing to get much more GPU demanding, I just don't see many reasons to be excited for BW-E over 5820K, other than lower power usage. The platform won't even have PCIe 4.0. I don't think any of this is bad though as it means early adopters of X99 platform will have a very potent gaming system for years to come, allowing them to focus on spending their upgrade money on a faster SSD/M.2 drive, faster GPU sub-system and/or a higher resolution monitor. To me it's actually a huge bonus to not have to worry about having to upgrade my CPU for 4-5 years at a time because it leaves a lot more $ for other hobbies, and other PC parts upgrades.
 
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RussianSensation said:
"According to the Chinese website VR-Zone Intel plans on sending pre-ES's of Breadwell-E CPUs to partners in Q2 2015, Engineering Samples in week 36 of 2015 and plan on releasing the final retail product in Q1 2016. Broadwell-E is not expected to be very different from the Haswell-E release, in terms of feature-set and pricing."
http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/cpu_mainboard/intel_delays_desktop_broadwell-e_until_2016/1

Given more than a year time span between HW-E and expected launch time frame for BW-E, I don't foresee Skylake-E until Q4 2016 or even Q1 2017. However, I also don't see how a 5820K @ 4.2Ghz would be a major bottleneck in games unless one has Quad-Fire GM200s/390Xs. With NV/AMD supporting DSR/VSR and games continuing to get much more GPU demanding, I just don't see many reasons to be excited for BW-E over 5820K, other than lower power usage. The platform won't even have PCIe 4.0. I don't think any of this is bad though as it means early adopters of X99 platform will have a very potent gaming system for years to come, allowing them to focus on spending their upgrade money on a faster SSD/M.2 drive, faster GPU sub-system and/or a higher resolution monitor. To me it's actually a huge bonus to not have to worry about having to upgrade my CPU for 4-5 years at a time because it leaves a lot more $ for other hobbies, and other PC parts upgrades.
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This. I run my 5930K currently at 3.7GHz all cores turbo as I can't both be bothered overclocking it and there will be nothing to upgrade it to until Skylake-E comes. Going back to 4 cores doesn't make sense and mainstream hexa Skylake won't be happening.
 
RussianSensation said:
"According to the Chinese website VR-Zone Intel plans on sending pre-ES's of Breadwell-E CPUs to partners in Q2 2015, Engineering Samples in week 36 of 2015 and plan on releasing the final retail product in Q1 2016. Broadwell-E is not expected to be very different from the Haswell-E release, in terms of feature-set and pricing."
http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/cpu_mainboard/intel_delays_desktop_broadwell-e_until_2016/1

Given more than a year time span between HW-E and expected launch time frame for BW-E, I don't foresee Skylake-E until Q4 2016 or even Q1 2017. However, I also don't see how a 5820K @ 4.2Ghz would be a major bottleneck in games unless one has Quad-Fire GM200s/390Xs. With NV/AMD supporting DSR/VSR and games continuing to get much more GPU demanding, I just don't see many reasons to be excited for BW-E over 5820K, other than lower power usage. The platform won't even have PCIe 4.0. I don't think any of this is bad though as it means early adopters of X99 platform will have a very potent gaming system for years to come, allowing them to focus on spending their upgrade money on a faster SSD/M.2 drive, faster GPU sub-system and/or a higher resolution monitor. To me it's actually a huge bonus to not have to worry about having to upgrade my CPU for 4-5 years at a time because it leaves a lot more $ for other hobbies, and other PC parts upgrades.
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You wrote out what I was mulling over in my head ever since I saw there was a BW-E delay...But you made it sound so much better than what I was thinking 🙂 It's funny, I keep waiting for the next 'E' and Haswell-E was going to be 'it', but I was really let down (even though I knew it was coming) that the $1k extreme sku was the only 8-core consumer part. I've been thinking about building a new system around a 5820k for awhile now and your post made me more optimistic. (I don't really care about gaming, I edit video.)
 
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