Broadband over regular power lines!

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Company studying way to move broadband over power lines
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ST. LOUIS (AP) ? Coming to a home or office near you could be an electric Internet: high-speed Web access via ubiquitous power lines, of all things, making every electrical outlet an always-on Web connection.


If it sounds shocking, consider this: St. Louis-based Ameren Corp. and other utilities already are testing the technology, and many consider it increasingly viable.

This truly plug-and-play technology, if proven safe, has the blessings of federal regulators looking to bolster broadband competition, lower consumer prices and bridge the digital divide in rural areas.

Because virtually every building has a power plug, it "could simply blow the doors off the provision of broadband," Federal Communications Commission chairman Michael Powell said last month.

For competition's sake, "absolutely, we would applaud it," says Edmond Thomas, chief of the FCC's Office of Engineering and Technology.

"We're going to have an absolute stampede to move on this. This is a natural," said Alan Shark, president of the Power Line Communications Association, which includes Internet providers such as Earthlink as well as utility companies. "It'll change the way we do business on the Internet."

While existing providers of broadband through cable TV lines or phone wires consider the technology intriguing, they stress that talk of it has been around for years, with nothing to show for it.

Existing broadband providers such as St. Louis-based Charter Communications, the nation's third-largest cable company, believe they have the edge because they are known commodities and can bundle high-speed Internet with video and even telephone service in some markets.

If ever deployed, power-line broadband "certainly is competition, but we feel our product would stand up well," said David Andersen, a spokesman for Charter, which has nearly 1.1 million high-speed Internet customers.

Digital power lines are believed to be able to carry data at roughly the same speeds as cable or DSL lines. And because electricity is more prevalent in homes than cable or even telephone lines, a vast new communications infrastructure could be born overnight ? notably in rural areas, where broadband access has lagged.

There, the scarcity of potential subscribers hasn't justified the high cost of laying cable or building satellite towers. A December 2001 report by the FCC-created National Exchange Carrier Association estimated it would cost about $10.9 billion to wire all of rural America.

Even where broadband is available, many people have trouble justifying spending $40 or $50 a month for it, about twice the cost of popular dial-up services.

Now Ameren, which serves about 1.5 million electric customers in Missouri and Illinois, is studying whether its portfolio could include broadband over its medium-voltage distribution systems ? and, more importantly, if it'd be profitable.

Keith Brightfield, heading the project for Ameren, says it's too early to say when the company could deploy the technology, and the utility makes no claims it can deliver broadband cheaper than current providers. The goal, he said, is to be competitive at Internet access without losing focus on Ameren's bread-and-butter energy business.

Companies have found that turning power lines into a stable, high-speed system of data transmission is tricky. Network interference and such things as transformers and surge arrestors have hindered broadband delivery.

But over the past few years, Shark says, many of those hurdles have been cleared with improved technology. Brightfield says previous efforts to deploy the technology in Europe failed because their electric system differs from that in the United States.

Still, there's no shortage of skepticism.

"I think they're a long ways from proving it, let's leave it there," said Larry Carmichael, a project manager with the Electric Power Research Institute. "The tests to date have been so small as far as looking at the financial and technical viability. It's still at the very early stage of development."

The technology works like this: data is carried either by fiber-optic or telephone lines to skip disruptive high-voltage lines, then is injected into the power grid downstream, onto medium-voltage wires.

Because signals can only make it so far before breaking apart, special electronic devices on the line catch packets of data, then reamplify and repackage them before shooting them out again.

Other technologies use more elaborate techniques that detour the signal around transformers.

Either way, the signal makes its way to neighborhoods and customers who could access either it wirelessly, through strategically placed utility poles, or by having it zipped directly into their homes via the regular electric current. Adaptors at individual power outlets ferry the data into computers through their usual ports.

The nonprofit Douglas Electric Cooperative in Oregon, with more than 9,000 customers in a service territory the size of Delaware, hopes the electric Internet technology can complement the co-op's high-speed fiber-optic cabling, which is too pricey to extend to rural customers, said Mark Doty, a Douglas superintendent.

The co-op hopes to field test the technology as early as this summer ? nice timing for member Bart Exparza, who is fed up with his slow dial-up connection at his home deep in Oregon's tree-lined, mountainous countryside.

"Imagine the cartoon of a guy standing on top of his computer, pulling his hair out. That's me," the self-employed electrical contractor frets. "I just roll my eyes and think, 'Golly gee.'"

 

thraxes

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Yeah I remember the utilities trying this out in Germany a while back... they sunk a boatload of money into the project but couldn't make it work well. Would have been great to have some competition to the phone companies.

The technology is a great idea though, especially for rural areas. Would be nice to see it get off the ground.
 

LED

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Graet idea but wouldn't count on it anytime soon...hell us Country folk are still waiting for wireless to become reasonably priced and all we need is for our electric bill to go up ;)
 

Jeff7

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What about all these noise filters built into surge protectors? Doesn't that mean that there's a lot of signal noise in the electric lines? Wouldn't that interfere with the data signal?
 

Lord Evermore

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Anything that involves bypassing the transformers or modifying them is going to be extremely difficult in the US. I read a few months back when someone else was talking about their "revolutionary" power line networking, that the US's transformer grid is laid out with a small transformer in every neighborhood (or every block), meaning a LOT of transformers, while in Europe (really, the US and Europe, who else is getting broadband?) they use a massive transformer to feed huge areas, so there are fewer transformers that would need to be modified or have bypasses attached to. US power companies would have to be shown some massively overwhelming evidence that they're going to get a quick return on investment before they put money into such a product. Even if someone asked to do it themselves and pay the power company a fee for the use of the lines, the power company could incur some significant costs, and that type of rollout certainly wouldn't be very quick.

That whole "receive and reamplify" thing sounds like it could cause some major latency, depending on how far it's having to travel and how many of those receivers the data has to pass through. Really, if they're going to run fibre optics out to a distance then tap the data onto the power grid, why not just run the fibre the extra length? Sure it'd cost a bit, but it'd be ready to roll out tomorrow, rather than in "about 5 years" or whatever the current standard is for how long it will be till something comes out.

I find it amusing that new networking technologies' speeds are always referred to as being "equivalent" or about the same or competitive with current networking speeds. Wireless networking is "competitive", but only with 10baseT networks. Wireless phone data products are about the same as a home connection...if you use a 56k modem. How coincidental that this revolutionary power line networking is going to be just about the same speeds as existing broadband. Couldn't have been 10 times faster? Or even twice as fast? Just happened to come out to the same 1Mbps or whatever that they have to compete with?
 

dullard

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Communication over power lines is not new. It has been around for years. I don't think it is the best solution for nationwide broadband, but it has some good local uses. For example, the department I'm in recently got some pressure sensors so the pressure can be read from a PC. They were free and we decided to test them out. We were puzzled at first. The pressure sensors only had a wall plug and no lines to connect to the PC. Eventually a glance at the manual shows it communicates with the PC through the builidings power lines. No more need to have the PC located close to the experiments.
 

chizow

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Its available in a home environment; netgear among others builds LAN adapters that use the power circuitry in your home. Not sure how they perform, but it seems like they are greatly overshadowed by wireless networking because the price is similar and I guess people just aren't warming to the idea. Maybe someone who has used a set-up like this can comment on its performance?

Chiz
 

Lord Evermore

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That sort of local use has been around a while, but hasn't been developed to very high speeds to make it competitive with normal networking, and of course hasn't been developed as a way to provide long distance networking and a link to the Internet. You could use it as a home LAN to connect to a wired broadband box, but with true powerline Internet service, any machine connected to a power outlet could have a Net connection, no other provider or electronics needed.

Of course, I guarantee this will run along the same lines as a cable provider who wants you to use a hub connected to the cable modem, and pay extra for every machine you connect, so more than likely we'll still end up with a home network with only one device connected to the power line Internet service acting as a gateway.

I'm not sure what the resolution was either, if any, to the issue of "shared network". If everyone's powerline Internet is aggregated at the transformer, then you're going to be on the same "network" as all those people, possibly with your data broadcasting to all those other customers. This was actually an issue with the home powerline network designs, since you're essentially broadcasting your home network's data out to the rest of the power grid; it doesn't go past the transformer, but it does go to everyone else on that transformer. Just one more modification that will have to be made to the transformers, to isolate users.