British parliament votes no to bombing Syria

[drebo]

Our government is an embarassment.

FTFY.

 

[diesbudt]

I think getting Congressional approval etc could be a problem, at least if Obama wants to act quickly. I don't believe they will be back in session in Washington for at least a couple of weeks.

And I suspect Congress doesn't want to touch this. If they don't approve of Obama's plan it's an embarrassment all the way around. Congress will look bad for not supporting the President in 'war time', and Obama will look very weak. I believe that many Dems don't even want to see military action

I also suspect that Congress doesn't want to provide 'cover' for Obama. He got us into this mess and I doubt Congress wants to take any of the blame.

Sticky (mess) situation all around. This turd can't be polished and there's no 'clean end' with which to pick it up.

Fern

The british parliament came back from vacation early to vote and handle this.

Our congress was asked to return and they basically all said "LOL. Not happening brother. We are on vacation. See you when we come back! Peace."

 

[Fern]

McCain is an embarassment.

x2

I'm getting tired of hearing him suggesting that an air strike is the answer for every problem. (RE: Floods in CO. "Floods! What! Call in air support! Let's bomb it into the stone age!".)

Fern

 

[Londo_Jowo]

At one point I liked McCain but now he's just another senile senior that needs to go to the old folks home and when he gets the desire to bomb something he can play electronic battleship.

 

[GoPackGo]

If no one else in the world cares about it then why should we? Let's send them High Fructose Corn Syrup and GMO Rations while we are at it!

 

[PingSpike]

If no one else in the world cares about it then why should we? Let's send them High Fructose Corn Syrup and GMO Rations while we are at it!

I think this is the best course of action. Load the bombers up with good old American corn and let it fly. That's the solution used for all our domestic problems anyway, put corn on or in it.

 

[yllus]

No its not, they have far fewer protected rights in the UK. Cameras and stuff everywhere.

Yeah, you guys sure are showing them when it comes to protecting rights.

 

[Caravaggio]

obama is not a strong leader and he will not launch an attack without congressional approval or at least obvious strong support from congress and a debate over the matter.

Not isolated at all. He has won the support of America's oldest ally,...France.

Given that France used to run Syria and Lebanon in the old days of the League of Nations mandate, they reckon they are the experts.
Stand by for the Franco-American cruise missile show.....

Freedom fries will be French fries once again.
Yee haa!

 

[dali71]

Your previous postings are all the proof that is needed. Would you like me to go dig them up, yet again?
I'm fairly certain if there were any other person as CnC you'd be itching for them to lob a few Tomahawks over the Syrian border and kill all those evil terrorists.

Speaking of previous postings:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2329542&page=6

We will provide it once you explain why you support terrorism.


We have received one complaint listing 17 separate posts in which you make this accusation, and another complaint from a different poster regarding this thread derail. You simply must stop "stalking" Incorruptible multiple times in multiple threads in this manner, often fairly off topic to the discussion at hand, no matter how justified you believe the description to be.

This is not the first or second or third time you have done so. Please use your time off to cool down and reconsider your approach.

Perknose
Forum Director

Your obsession with Incorruptible is...concerning. :\

 

[OverVolt]

Yeah, you guys sure are showing them when it comes to protecting rights.

Lol how so? I guess at airports. Thats not really day to day life. We can own guns, we don't have a permit for television, primary transport is by car, just about everyone has a license, healthcare albeit trending more towards the UK system is still private, we can print our own money in a financial crisis unlike countries in the Euro, there isn't 1 camera for every 4 people, people aren't thrown in jail as often over Facebook quagmires :hmm:

 

[CrackRabbit]

Speaking of previous postings:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2329542&page=6



Your obsession with Incorruptible is...concerning. :\

Let me set up a scenario, you're sitting in a chair in your office and some guy comes in and takes a dump on the carpet.
You tell them; "That isn't nice, please leave".
He then proceeds to pick up the poop and smear it all over the walls; you call security.
As you're waiting for security the guy starts flinging the poop at you.
You're irate now and yell at the guy to leave.
Security arrives and tells you to stop harassing the guy as your co-workers look on and nod in agreement with security.
So you're left there with security watching you yelling at him occasionally; hoping not to piss of security while the guy sits and plays in his own poop.

That is how I feel about Incorruptible.

 

[Fayd]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/aug/30/cameron-mps-syria

Looks like we're sitting this one out.

awww you guys are no fun. don't want to play.

 

[Oldgamer]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/aug/30/cameron-mps-syria

Looks like we're sitting this one out.

I don't blame the Brits one bit, nor do I blame our own US citizens for being more cautious this time around. We were lied to and rushed into a war that dragged on so long with no real clear objectives that US citizens are downright war weary. Why do we, the US, have to police everyone? This is a civil war in Syria, and from my understanding what is happening there poses no imminent danger to the US. Chemicals weapons have been used in many other countries and we did nothing in the past, so why is it imperative that we do something now? We did nothing when Saddam gassed his own people. We did nothing when the CBW program was used and implemented against South Africans. So many other instances as well, where we did nothing.

Yes, it is horrible, and the news feeds and pictures I see are heart breaking when you see mainly children and women suffering and dying. But this is in fact very different in a lot of ways than when Bush went charging in under a complete lie. Saddam had no allies, and Syria does.

So I want us to stay out of this shit. I don't care if the President had drawn his "red line". We don't strike on other countries just to make a point, or for some kind of warning or punishment. We only do so when there is an imminent threat to us.

I am really quite disgusted again with Congress too, not getting off their lazy fat asses and coming back to work to debate this and put it to rest.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Yes, they lack a constitution in the traditional sense. If the law makers felt so inclined they could reverse every law on the books tomorrow and make new ones up based on whatever the hell they like.

In any case, I maintain fervently that Obama is not going to act without strong oversight from Congress. He is bullshitting and bluffing pretending the UK vote didn't affect him. He has never shown himself as a strong leader and he will not be one here; there is enough of a demand--overwhelming--that Congress approve anything he does (80% citizens I saw in some poll today) that he dare not go against the grain on this. There's no way he will.

Obama is proving to be the continuation of the last administration. The inspectors announce that there is no smoking gun and we go on about how we're going it alone of we have to.

I thought Rumsfeld was tacky in his approach but Obama bullied other nations over Snowden Snowden and then calls on other nations to back him in spite of uncertainty as to who has done what. What next, wmds near or around Tikrit?

 

[Fayd]

Not isolated at all. He has won the support of America's oldest ally,...France.

Given that France used to run Syria and Lebanon in the old days of the League of Nations mandate, they reckon they are the experts.
Stand by for the Franco-American cruise missile show.....

Freedom fries will be French fries once again.
Yee haa!

hmm....france got us involved in vietnam, they gonna get us involved in syria?

 

[Mark R]

This is unusual, not just for the prime minister getting defeated by the house. It is also unusual that the prime minister asked the house of Commons for permission to go to war.

The Prime Minister has executive authority to order military action however he or she wishes. There is no requirement to ask for parliamentary authority to do so, and historically, prime ministers haven't done so (with the exception of the latest Iraq campaign).

I suspect a major part of the reason for the asking parliament was because the Iraq war was a major part of the last government getting voted out at the last election. The campaign in Iraq had very low levels of public support, and exceptional vocal public upset, especially with all the media coverage about how the case for war was fraudulently exaggerated by politicians.

 

[Doppel]

Not isolated at all. He has won the support of America's oldest ally,...France.

Given that France used to run Syria and Lebanon in the old days of the League of Nations mandate, they reckon they are the experts.
Stand by for the Franco-American cruise missile show.....

Freedom fries will be French fries once again.
Yee haa!

Sad isn't it. a decade ago some idiots in the US were ashamed to be associated with France because it didn't want to partake in what has been widely known now as a total cluster fuck in Iraq, and now it's America's "oldest ally". The French were right back then.

 

[Doppel]

Obama is proving to be the continuation of the last administration. The inspectors announce that there is no smoking gun and we go on about how we're going it alone of we have to.

I thought Rumsfeld was tacky in his approach but Obama bullied other nations over Snowden Snowden and then calls on other nations to back him in spite of uncertainty as to who has done what. What next, wmds near or around Tikrit?

Unfortunately--and granted it can be hard to read the leaves because the media blows up any and everything--I may have to eat my words earlier about certainty and Obama not acting without congressional approval. If I can believe what I'm seeing on CNN tonight he's going in without a condom any day.

This will have to go absolutely perfectly for him, acting without congress, without notable allies, and without his nation's support. If it blows up in his face it will be the biggest blunder of his career by far.

 

[dali71]

Let me set up a scenario, you're sitting in a chair in your office and some guy comes in and takes a dump on the carpet.
You tell them; "That isn't nice, please leave".
He then proceeds to pick up the poop and smear it all over the walls; you call security.
As you're waiting for security the guy starts flinging the poop at you.
You're irate now and yell at the guy to leave.
Security arrives and tells you to stop harassing the guy as your co-workers look on and nod in agreement with security.
So you're left there with security watching you yelling at him occasionally; hoping not to piss of security while the guy sits and plays in his own poop.

That is how I feel about Incorruptible.

Let me set up a scenario for you: You're on the Anandtech forums, when you see someone constantly posting things that you find extremely offensive, which makes your time spent on the forum quite unpleasant. Before you get too angry, you remember that the powers that be have given you a way to mitigate much of the discomfort you feel. You then go to the Ignore List section of your user control panel, add the offensive user, then enjoy the forums in the manner you were previously accustomed to.

***Note*** - This scenario is based on the assumption that the user is someone who truly wants to view the forums in peace, rather than an attention-seeking drama queen.


You're welcome

 

[CrackRabbit]

Let me set up a scenario for you: You're on the Anandtech forums, when you see someone constantly posting things that you find extremely offensive, which makes your time spent on the forum quite unpleasant. Before you get too angry, you remember that the powers that be have given you a way to mitigate much of the discomfort you feel. You then go to the Ignore List section of your user control panel, add the offensive user, then enjoy the forums in the manner you were previously accustomed to.

***Note*** - This scenario is based on the assumption that the user is someone who truly wants to view the forums in peace, rather than an attention-seeking drama queen.


You're welcome

I choose not to ignore anyone, at all, period.
What would be the point of a political forum if I ignored those whom I disagree with? Then it simply becomes an echo chamber of voices that agree with me, and that isn't something I want.
There are however a very small number of people here, such as Incorruptible, who choose to be disruptive for the sake of being disruptive.
The moderators and admins know they are an issue, but choose to let free speech reign except in the most egregious of violations.

With that said, if you don't like me taking pot shots at Incorruptible when I have the chance you're welcome to take your own advice and ignore me.
Enough with the thread derail. Back to being on topic.

 

[Jadow]

Good call, if a bunch of muslims want to kill another bunch of muslims, WTF are we thinking about getting involved.

 

[Darwin333]

No its not, they have far fewer protected rights in the UK. Cameras and stuff everywhere.

Damn right. Its not like the US doesn't have an agency that is forbidden by law to spy on its own citizens spying on virtually every one of those citizens they are forbidden by law to spy on, which actual admissions of serious criminal offenses and not even an indictment. Nope, glad that doesn't happen in the US.

 

[Balt]

Not isolated at all. He has won the support of America's oldest ally,...France.

Given that France used to run Syria and Lebanon in the old days of the League of Nations mandate, they reckon they are the experts.
Stand by for the Franco-American cruise missile show.....

Freedom fries will be French fries once again.
Yee haa!

This is quite a bit off-topic from the thread, and not helpful in the least, but I'd just like to say that:

I've indirectly dealt with the governments of both former French and former British colonies. The civil services of former French colonies are utter shit. The civil services of former British colonies, while lacking in many respects (usually due to a lack of money), are superior and almost competent compared to those of the French.

 

[Kaido]

Good call, if a bunch of muslims want to kill another bunch of muslims, WTF are we thinking about getting involved.

Graphic & NSFW:

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/Syriagas_2013/bp19.jpg

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/Syriagas_2013/bp13.jpg

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/Syriagas_2013/bp4.jpg

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2013/08/assault_in_syria.html

Do you still feel like the world should stand by and watch?

 

[Darwin333]

Graphic & NSFW:

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/Syriagas_2013/bp19.jpg

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/Syriagas_2013/bp13.jpg

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/Syriagas_2013/bp4.jpg

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2013/08/assault_in_syria.html

Do you still feel like the world should stand by and watch?

Do you really think the world should not invade half (or more) of Africa to stop even more atrocious events?

Cut the bullshit, we watch shit like this happen ALL the time. This time it happens to be in an area that has value to us, our allies AND our quasi-enemies.