British Muslims to celebrate "Magnificent 19"

[Queasy]

un-freakin-believable

 

[Zebo]

Did'nt we issue medals to fliers over german cities in WWII and Enola gay crew?

I see no objective difference.

 

[Zebo]

Thanks for linking that site Quesy. It's the best place I've seen for understanding Islam and how they think.

This page links to Al Khilafah, which seems to be the Muslim Tenets of life so to speak

More detailed articles.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Did'nt we issue medals to fliers over german cities in WWII and Enola gay crew?

I see no objective difference.

If you can't see the difference then you have issues.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Zebo
Did'nt we issue medals to fliers over german cities in WWII and Enola gay crew?

I see no objective difference.

If you can't see the difference then you have issues.

Explain it to me, or help me resolve these issues, because I am perplexed by the duality some of you have. Seems clear both sides hold thier respective war hereoes in reverance, even if they target and kill tousands of innocent civilians.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Zebo
Did'nt we issue medals to fliers over german cities in WWII and Enola gay crew?

I see no objective difference.

If you can't see the difference then you have issues.

Explain it to me, or help me resolve these issues, because I am perplexed by the duality some of you have. Seems clear both sides hold thier respective war hereoes in reverance, even if they target and kill tousands of innocent civilians.

"They will also be praying for the reverberations to continue until the eradication of all man-made law and the implementation of divine law in the form of the Khilafah - carrying the message of Islam to the world and striving for Izhar ud-Deen i.e. the total domination of the world by Islam."


The difference is very clear in Black & White, they state that they want to rule the world with their religion.

Bush, Blair, the U.N. and all Countries should point this out to all, nevermind the WMD BS.

 

[Corn]

Explain it to me.

Yeah, Zebo is right. The skillful airmen of WW2 dodging enemy aircraft and anti-aircraft fire in hostile airspace, completing their mission, and then going throught it all again on the way back to base--day in and day out--is basically the same thing as flying an airliner, full of frightened civilians, through clear and unsuspecting skies, into buildings filled with people who didn't know they were at war. See, no difference at all, just like there is no difference between Zebo and someone else who has a functioning brain............

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Zebo
Did'nt we issue medals to fliers over german cities in WWII and Enola gay crew?

I see no objective difference.

If you can't see the difference then you have issues.

Explain it to me, or help me resolve these issues, because I am perplexed by the duality some of you have. Seems clear both sides hold thier respective war hereoes in reverance, even if they target and kill tousands of innocent civilians.

"They will also be praying for the reverberations to continue until the eradication of all man-made law and the implementation of divine law in the form of the Khilafah - carrying the message of Islam to the world and striving for Izhar ud-Deen i.e. the total domination of the world by Islam."


The difference is very clear in Black & White, they state that they want to rule the world with their religion.

Bush, Blair, the U.N. and all Countries should point this out to all, nevermind the WMD BS.

What does this have to do with honouring thier fallen heroes. Plus where did you get that? The site clearly say what was thier reason for the attack and ongoing war:

Many Muslims worldwide will be celebrating the comeuppance of the USA in what they see as retribution for the atrocities that the US has committed, and indeed continues to commit, against Muslims.

Also wherever you got it, are you saying you can blow people up into converts? Makes no sense. They are talking about missionaries same as mormons or any other christian group. So once again we are at another similarity... one of mass conversion here...where one religion says it's the best and only so come on over.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Corn

Explain it to me.

Yeah, Zebo is right. The skillful airmen of WW2 dodging enemy aircraft and anti-aircraft fire in hostile airspace, completing their mission, and then going throught it all again on the way back to base--day in and day out--is basically the same thing as flying an airliner, full of frightened civilians, through clear and unsuspecting skies, into buildings filled with people who didn't know they were at war. See, no difference at all, just like there is no difference between Zebo and someone else who has a functioning brain............

Targeting civilians nevertheless. Who cares about skill? Don't know we're at war? I've known since the first WTC bombing followed by hundreds of other attacks so has the government..they have terrorism task forces prior to 9-11. Unsuspecting, so were the Japanese? What does this have to do with mission the to kill civilians? It does'nt.

 

[Corn]

They are talking about missionaries same as mormons or any other christian group. So once again we are at another similarity... one of mass conversion here...where one religion says it's the best and only so come on over.

Could you please point out to me how [edit] many [/] countries are ruled by brutal Mormon and Christian theocracies?

Also wherever you got it, are you saying you can blow people up into converts?

Of course Iran is a perfect example of a peaceful and benevolent theocratic regime......same with the Taleban.

 

[Corn]

Targeting civilians nevertheless. Who cares about skill? Unsuspecting, so were the Japanese? What does this have to do with mission the to kill civilians? It does'nt.

Of course you don't think there's a difference Zebo, that much was already established by your own words. Just because you can't comprehend the difference doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. I realize that religious fanaticism lends itself a certain comfort--even if to competing zealots, but I had thought different of you. I won't make that mistake again, no wonder Buchannan appeals so much to you.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Corn

They are talking about missionaries same as mormons or any other christian group. So once again we are at another similarity... one of mass conversion here...where one religion says it's the best and only so come on over.

Could you please point out to me how countries are ruled by brutal Mormon and Christian theocracies?

Also wherever you got it, are you saying you can blow people up into converts?

Of course Iran is a perfect example of a peaceful and benevolent theocratic regime......same with the Taleban.

History is full of "Christian" nations which were brutal.

That said, I'm certain there are Militant Muslim groups who are willing to spread Islam through Force, but it is not a concept unique to Islamic groups.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Corn

They are talking about missionaries same as mormons or any other christian group. So once again we are at another similarity... one of mass conversion here...where one religion says it's the best and only so come on over.

Could you please point out to me how [edit] many [/] countries are ruled by brutal Mormon and Christian theocracies?

Also wherever you got it, are you saying you can blow people up into converts?

Of course Iran is a perfect example of a peaceful and benevolent theocratic regime......same with the Taleban.

I'm not jugding thier governements or religion corn or ours just a observation of psychology.. the point is one mans hero is anothers terrorist, and targeting and killing civilians has always been part of war when chips are down or victory is in the balance. Just depends the side you're on. You seem to judge our side correct and that's fine but it has little to do with them celebrating what they think as thier freedom fighers. Read about Paul Revere how he terrorised english cities and he's a hero.

 

[Corn]

History is full of "Christian" nations which were brutal.

Of that, there is no doubt. So what's changed in the west in the last 500 years that hasn't in the mid-east?

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Corn

Explain it to me.

Yeah, Zebo is right. The skillful airmen of WW2 dodging enemy aircraft and anti-aircraft fire in hostile airspace, completing their mission, and then going throught it all again on the way back to base--day in and day out--is basically the same thing as flying an airliner, full of frightened civilians, through clear and unsuspecting skies, into buildings filled with people who didn't know they were at war. See, no difference at all, just like there is no difference between Zebo and someone else who has a functioning brain............

I thought Al Qaeda declared war on the U.S. in 1998? The CIA forgot to tell everyone.

 

[Corn]

You seem to judge our side correct and that's fine but it has little to do with them celebrating what they think as thier freedom fighers.

Are they fighting for "freedom"? What kind of freedom? Freedom to take women as property? Freedom to cut the throats of anyone who would blaspheme Allah? Freedom to shoot into crowds of protesting students pleading for real "freedom"? Please elaborate for me this "freedom" for which they fight.

Yes indeed, I do find it easy to judge.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Corn

Targeting civilians nevertheless. Who cares about skill? Unsuspecting, so were the Japanese? What does this have to do with mission the to kill civilians? It does'nt.

Of course you don't think there's a difference Zebo, that much was already established by your own words. Just because you can't comprehend the difference doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. .

Explain it without hyperbole and personal atttacks then, if you're capable. no one has even attempted to answer it seriously.

 

[Corn]

no one has even attempted to answer it seriously.

Read the post directly above your last reply. We fought against tyranny in WW2 on both fronts....you tell me Zebo, does al-qaeda fight for freedom or for tyranny?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Corn

no one has even attempted to answer it seriously.

Read the post directly above your last reply.

Not at all. My question was and keeps getting ignored; is that both sides hold thier respective war hereoes in reverance, even if they target and kill tousands of innocent civilians, why is it OK when it's the side you are on? And why do we call the other side terrorists/evil/zealots when they do the same as we would do or have done?

 

[Corn]

Not at all. My question was and keeps getting ignored; is that both sides hold thier respective war hereoes in reverance, even if they target and kill tousands of innocent civilians, why is it OK when it's the side you are on?

The objective difference is because we do not, nor ever had, glorified our "heros" for killing unsuspecting civilians in peacetime.

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Did'nt we issue medals to fliers over german cities in WWII and Enola gay crew?

I see no objective difference.

is your skull filled with styrofoam? WTF are you thinking?

The objective difference is because we do not, nor ever had, glorified our "heros" for killing unsuspecting civilians in peacetime.

Exactly. Not to mention the rationale behind the wars are slightly different.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Corn

no one has even attempted to answer it seriously.

Read the post directly above your last reply. We fought against tyranny in WW2 on both fronts....you tell me Zebo, does al-qaeda fight for freedom or for tyranny?

They would say we fight for capitalism and killing/watering down their way of life and religion and they fight for freedom and going back to the Al Khilafah which is linked above.


I'm tring not to let my personal bias enter the debate since it's irrlevent.

 

[AntaresVI]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Corn

no one has even attempted to answer it seriously.

Read the post directly above your last reply.

Not at all. My question was and keeps getting ignored; is that both sides hold thier respective war hereoes in reverance, even if they target and kill tousands of innocent civilians, why is it OK when it's the side you are on? And why do we call the other side terrorists/evil/zealots when they do the same as we would do or have done?

::sigh:: here's a straight answer to your question. The 9/11 attacks were cowardly. They were not attacks against a legitimite military target in a declared war. They were not carried out by an organized nation. They were not authorized by any legitimite chain of command.

None of these statements can be applied to any of the references you made to actions done by "our side." There's your answer.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Corn

Not at all. My question was and keeps getting ignored; is that both sides hold thier respective war hereoes in reverance, even if they target and kill tousands of innocent civilians, why is it OK when it's the side you are on?

The objective difference is because we do not, nor ever had, glorified our "heros" for killing unsuspecting civilians in peacetime.

OK. I with you sorta but why bold unsuspecting? First we knew we are in a war against terror/islam for many years, second OBL declared Jihad before 9-11, which is by definition not peacetime.

 

[AntaresVI]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Corn

Not at all. My question was and keeps getting ignored; is that both sides hold thier respective war hereoes in reverance, even if they target and kill tousands of innocent civilians, why is it OK when it's the side you are on?

The objective difference is because we do not, nor ever had, glorified our "heros" for killing unsuspecting civilians in peacetime.

OK. I with you sorta but why bold unsuspecting? First we knew we are in a war against terror/islam for many years, second OBL declared Jihad before 9-11, which is by definition not peacetime.

so if i say right now, "i declare war on canada because i dont liek the color of their money," they need to be on alert? A declaration of war by an organization is not a declaration of war from a country.