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british history is so barbaric

brianmanahan

brianmanahan

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occasionally i get sucked into reading about british history on wikipedia, for a variety of reasons, and then i see stuff like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Jane_Grey

lady jane was cousin of the dying king and he chose her to be the successor to the throne

but the courts decided to allow someone else to become queen, so what's the logical thing to do to jane?

behead her. for, um, high treason? yeah that'll work.

and most of the entire history of england is stuff like this, at least until the last couple hundred years

it is all fascinating and i love reading it, but it always shocks me at how barbaric things used to be
 
TallBill said:
Pretty much all world history is.
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yeah i guess so. must have really been a different mindset back in the day. and people still get murdered now so it might not be that much different, but i think the main thing was that people in power could do it and everyone else pretty much treated it as legit.

"oh, she's from that important family, so if she wants to behead her cousin thats cool i guess"
 
it is so weird too where everyone felt they had to conquer everyone else

talks about it in the bible old testament and historical docs, that springtime was battle time. you just get your army together every year and go see how many people in various places you can kill and how many lives you can ruin and villages you can ransack and pillage.
 
brianmanahan said:
it is so weird too where everyone felt they had to conquer everyone else

talks about it in the bible old testament and historical docs, that springtime was battle time. you just get your army together every year and go see how many people in various places you can kill and how many lives you can ruin and villages you can ransack and pillage.
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At least they were honest about it.
 
brianmanahan said:
and most of the entire history of england is stuff like this, at least until the last couple hundred years
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India?....

Jallianwala Bagh Massacre

The Jallianwala Bagh massacre or "Amritsar massacre", took place in the Jallianwala Bagh public garden in the predominantly Sikh northern city of Amritsar. After days of unrest Brigadier-General Reginald E.H. Dyer forbade public meetings and on Sunday 13 April 1919 fifty British Indian Army soldiers commanded by Dyer began shooting at an unarmed gathering of thousands of men, women, and children without warning. Casualty estimates vary widely, with the Government of India reporting 379 dead, with 1,100 wounded.[114] The Indian National Congress estimated three times the number of dead. Dyer was removed from duty but he became a celebrated hero in Britain among people with connections to the Raj.[115] Historians consider the episode was a decisive step towards the end of British rule in India.[116]
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If you want an empire, you have to be ruthless. Africa still hasn't recovered from European colonialism. Africa was carved up between major powers, borders were drawn up without any consideration of tribal conflicts.
 
You mean human history is barbaric?

There are more naive people these days, but human nature hasn't changed. Americans by and large still understand that and that is why they will never give up their guns. Despite revisionist historians and outright Communists trying to brainwash their children into believing otherwise.

See: 20th century and all the hundreds of millions of civilians killed by order of governments around the world. INCLUDING the government of the United States.
 
brianmanahan said:
it is all fascinating and i love reading it, but it always shocks me at how barbaric things used to be
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Correction: How barbaric things still are in a lot of countries in the world. Try googling necklacing sometime. People are nuts.
 
Take away all the comforts that the industrial civilization provide and I suspect human life will become really cheap.
 
Take away all of our nice shit and it's a free for all. No one gives a shit about anyone else but themselves when it really matters. Just look at the employment ladder/market.
 
Plenty of injustice and barbaric attacks today too...that will one day be history and considered terrible and ruthless.
 
Hmm.. so the Fugitive Slave Act, the Battle of Wounded Knee, the Tusgkeee experiments and Guanatanmo Bay were/are not barbaric? haha..

Look, many cultures have a savage history. Humans are not always kind. So singling out English history is bull. At the least, we never had a bloody revolution like the French did, or an Inquisition as the Spanish.
 
kage69 said:
Didn't the Brits use cannon to execute some Indians? As in, strapping them to the muzzle and boom?
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Didn't the Indians burn widows on funeral pyres alive?

Didn't THE AMERICANS almost make the buffalo extinct just as a means to kill out all the native Americans? Didn't THE AMERICANS use Chinese labour in harsh conditions to build the Transcontinental railroad? Didn't THE AMERICANS make blacks use different restrooms and deny them from voting in some states?

Yeah, as you see, humans can be and are cruel.
 
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