Bristol Palin on Levi Johnston and other points of interest

[Fear No Evil]

FOE , IMHO is somewhat totally baseless in stating, There is ZERO evidence, as I have stated, that Sarah Palin's kids have not been well raised, protected, loved, and provided for. To say she is a hypocrite, a bad parent, etc is simply pure bullshit. I don't care what you think of her politically, the attacks on those fronts are uncalled for. There is no way this would be allowed against a liberal politician. "

Not when the entire student body of Wasilla high school, including her own brother, knew Bristol was the school hockey puck, yet somehow Mommy Palin was not only totally clueless, she was busily engaged in abusing her powers as Alaska governor in some famdamily feud trying to illegally fire the State police officer who divorced her sister.

And now by some minor miracle, the Palin family quits politics to engage in a lucrative speaking tours, bragging about how she is a nothing but a slogan chanting political featherweight with no ethics, when most other families would just shut up, and chalk their mistakes as some things you just live and learn about. And in so learning from previous mistakes, can thus become a better person and human being than Sarah Palin ever will become.

And maybe Palin does invalidate Darwin, Darwin's theory never was about the survival of the dimmest and most ill adapted.

But hell fire, can we really blame Sarah Palin for inventing her own personal money machine, unlike almost anyone else, the dumber she acts, the more money she makes.

I again don't see any hypocrisy. Even if she KNEW about her daughter's actions, that does not invalidate HER message. I think the way things are playing out with Bristol are pretty much proving that Palin's message was accurate. Her daughter WOULD have been better off following abstinence. People have free will, she could not prevent her daughter from having it. She certainly failed to convince her daughter on that issue. But she did succeed in other areas. Bristol could have had an abortion, but chose not to. Palin is very pro-life. Palin is also very pro-family. She is showing support toward Bristol even though she made a mistake. No hypocrisy there either.

It seems ultimately your arger toward her comes down to the fact that she has found a way to support her and her family and you are jealous? Gotcha. At least the truth comes out eventually. She's accomplished more in her life already than 99.44% of the people out there, and it just pisses you guys off to no end.

Sarah is raising a down's syndrome child something that many people choose not to do. She is protecting that child, making sure it has the financial stability to live a productive life, and all you can do is call her stupid, call her a bad human being, etc. But since she DARES to speak out against your liberal political views you want her and her family destroyed.

 

[Fear No Evil]

From what happened to Bristol I would get that the whole concept of abstinence-only sex education pretty clearly does not work, and would choose to supplement that education with further information on birth control options, family planning, and so forth. My problem with Sarah Palin would be if she continues to push for abstinence-only sex education.

Perhaps she feels that being forced to raise a child is God's righteous punishment for what she believes to be sexually immoral behavior? In other words, she's perfectly ok with Bristol having to raise a child even though she's unmarried and under the age of 18 as a result of her wicked and immoral life choices to this point.

Do you really believe Bristol didn't know about birth control? REALLY? I also don't think Sarah ever thinks of a child as punishment. Hell, most liberals don't even think of children as anything other than 'choices'. She IS perfectly OK with Bristol having to raise her child because she believes in personal responsibility. She doesn't believe in just scraping out the 'mistake' and going on to make more.

 

[Kadarin]

Do you really believe Bristol didn't know about birth control? REALLY?

Hypothetically speaking, if all she was ever exposed to was abstinence-only sex education, how would she know about it?

 

[Red Dawn]

life is not without the benefits associated with her political family. Palin appears on TV with the likes of Oprah Winfrey, speaking as a paid sexual-abstinence advocate on behalf of the Candies Foundation and sharing her story as a cautionary tale.

When one things for certain, she's an opportunist like her mother going around the country getting paid to talk about getting knocked up out of wedlock.

 

[ch33zw1z]

When one things for certain, she's an opportunist like her mother going around the country getting paid to talk about getting knocked up out of wedlock.

I'll have to talk to my wife about a career change

 

[Pens1566]

When one things for certain, she's an opportunist like her mother going around the country getting paid to talk about getting knocked up out of wedlock.

So, technically she's a whore ...

 

[Red Dawn]

I'll have to talk to my wife about a career change

Sorry that position has been filled by Mother Palin's daughter.:thumbsdown:

 

[ch33zw1z]

Sorry that position has been filled by Mother Palin's daughter.:thumbsdown:

shucks..

 

[Red Dawn]

So, technically she's a whore ...

Not even, she's just reaping the benefits of being the daughter of the biggest political whore in the Republican Party.

 

[ch33zw1z]

So, technically she's a whore ...

Dunno, she didn't "do it" for money...she's just talking about "doing it"...for......money

 

[Pens1566]

Not even, she's just reaping the benefits of being the daughter of the biggest political whore in the Republican Party.

I dunno, seems like she's profiting off of a sexual act to me.

 

[Lemon law]

The other huge problem with sex abstinence education is that these people end up totally ignorant about the dangers of sexual transmitted diseases. And even though the spirit may be willing to abstain from sex, raging hormones usually find those moments when the flesh is weak.

We have wasted multi billions of dollars of Federal funds on such abstinence programs even though every study on their effectiveness find they are totally ineffective. And now we get two dimwits named Palin asking us to waste even more taxpayer funds.

 

[Atreus21]

From what happened to Bristol I would get that the whole concept of abstinence-only sex education pretty clearly does not work, and would choose to supplement that education with further information on birth control options, family planning, and so forth. My problem with Sarah Palin would be if she continues to push for abstinence-only sex education.

That is tantamount to saying that laws criminalizing murder don't work because murder yet endures.

Perhaps she feels that being forced to raise a child is God's righteous punishment for what she believes to be sexually immoral behavior? In other words, she's perfectly ok with Bristol having to raise a child even though she's unmarried and under the age of 18 as a result of her wicked and immoral life choices to this point.

In other words, you sneer at a mother expecting her daughter to take responsibility for her actions?

 

[Fear No Evil]

The other huge problem with sex abstinence education is that these people end up totally ignorant about the dangers of sexual transmitted diseases. And even though the spirit may be willing to abstain from sex, raging hormones usually find those moments when the flesh is weak.

We have wasted multi billions of dollars of Federal funds on such abstinence programs even though every study on their effectiveness find they are totally ineffective. And now we get two dimwits named Palin asking us to waste even more taxpayer funds.

Nonono! Its not wasted money. Its stimulus and job creation!

 

[ch33zw1z]

That is tantamount to saying that laws criminalizing murder don't work because murder yet endures.

Seems a pretty long stretch to liken criminal murder laws to abstinence only sex education. I would agree with Kadarin in this way: Abstinence only sex education does not work, anyone who chooses to see this will. We should be teaching our youth what the dangers and consequences of uneducated and unprotected sex are. But that means we must be comfortable with the topic of sex and being human...

 

[Kadarin]

In other words, you sneer at a mother expecting her daughter to take responsibility for her actions?

Not at all. The problem comes when the mother's definition of taking that responsibility is and only is that her daughter "must raise a child as a consequence of engaging in immoral sexual behavior" rather than "making sure my daughter becomes informed and educated on ALL aspects of birth control and STD prevention prior to becoming sexually active, and thus is able to make intelligent, informed choices regarding her body and her life".

I sneer instead at ignorance and dogma.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Not at all. The problem comes when the mother's definition of taking that responsibility is and only is that her daughter "must raise a child as a consequence of engaging in immoral sexual behavior" rather than "making sure my daughter becomes informed and educated on ALL aspects of birth control and STD prevention prior to becoming sexually active, and thus is able to make intelligent, informed choices regarding her body and her life".

I sneer instead at ignorance and dogma.

I sneer at arrogance and indoctrination. I bet those you are claiming teach ALL aspects of birth control and STD prevention also leave out abstinance many times. I'd also bet BOTH methods about equally as useless as preventing pregnancy. Its just Sarah Palin believes its Bristol's responsibility to deal with the consequences while the arrogant and indoctrinated believe its the rich's responsibility to provide for this child.

 

[Red Dawn]

I sneer at arrogance and indoctrination.

:sneaky:

 

[tk149]

The other huge problem with sex abstinence education is that these people end up totally ignorant about the dangers of sexual transmitted diseases. And even though the spirit may be willing to abstain from sex, raging hormones usually find those moments when the flesh is weak.

We have wasted multi billions of dollars of Federal funds on such abstinence programs even though every study on their effectiveness find they are totally ineffective. And now we get two dimwits named Palin asking us to waste even more taxpayer funds.

Well, it's been a long time since I had sex-abstinence classes, but I was taught all about STD's as part of the reason to abstain.

So are you talking from experience or do you have a link?

 

[Darwin333]

I saw an article the other week that she is going to start speaking for 30K a pop, that is making herself a public figure. She talked for this article, again making herself public.

Wait a damn minute. Who the fuck would pay $30K to hear the teenage daughter of an ex-presidential candidate to talk? Your shitting me right? Nothing against her or anything (quite frankly I am fresh out of giveafuck, so I could really care less about her or her mother) but what the hell could she possibly have to say that is worth $30K?

 

[Lemon law]

Nonono! Its not wasted money. Its stimulus and job creation!

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Maybe FNE has a point, its stimulus and job creation for a few select people who are so badly logic and common sense challenged as to be unemployable in any other field of productive endeavor.

 

[Lemon law]

Well, it's been a long time since I had sex-abstinence classes, but I was taught all about STD's as part of the reason to abstain.

So are you talking from experience or do you have a link?

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Your problem or lack of it is that the sex education you received in school simply does not even remotely resemble what true sex abstinence education teaches.

 

[thraashman]

Wait a damn minute. Who the fuck would pay $30K to hear the teenage daughter of an ex-vicepresidential candidate to talk? Your shitting me right? Nothing against her or anything (quite frankly I am fresh out of giveafuck, so I could really care less about her or her mother) but what the hell could she possibly have to say that is worth $30K?

My interpretation of a Bristol Q&A
BP (Bristol Palin)
Q(question asker)

BP: I shouldn't have done the big boom boom with that guy named for blue jeans. Had I not done it I never woulda had the kid come out my vajayjay. <giggle> That's the only way I wouldn't have had a kiddie is if I hadn't let Levi puts his wiggle thingy in me
Q: Well Miss Palin, couldn't you have used a condom?
BP: A what? Isn't that where I live now? I just bought a condom to live in with Trigg.
Q: Um .. no Miss Palin, a condom is a contraceptive device that could have prevented your pregnancy. You could also use a diaphragm, birth control pills, or yes even celibacy.
BP: Mommy told me all about celibacy and how it's the ONLY way you can't get pregnant. But well ... I just loved Levi's wiggly man meat so much I couldn't resist. I was hoping mommy was going to be wrong just once. But no, it turns out she's right and if you have sex even once you get pregnant if you're a teenager. There's no other way to prevent it
Q: No Miss Palin. While other forms of contraception are not 100%, they are in fact very effective at preventing pregnancy. Don't you think that had you been properly educated in both contraception and abstinence that you might have been able to make better decisions?
BP: Abstinence ONLY! That's all that works! If I'd had sex while taking those pill thingies or in someone's condom like I now live in, I'd have still gotten pregnant. I KNOW this because my mom told me that abstinence is the only thing that works!
Q: Miss Palin ... are you retarded?
BP: How DARE you attack my little brother with that word!
Q: No Miss Palin, I'm not attacking your brother. In fact I feel greatly for him and his condition and would never use such a hurtful word towards someone with Down's Syndrome. I do however think you are mentally defective.
BP: Stop attacking my little brother and my family. You and your talk of magic pills and sex in apartments will be safer than in houses. You're a jerk!
Q: I give up. Please I beg of you never try to speak in public again. Your presence is hurtful to the world.

 

[Kadarin]

I sneer at arrogance and indoctrination. I bet those you are claiming teach ALL aspects of birth control and STD prevention also leave out abstinance many times. I'd also bet BOTH methods about equally as useless as preventing pregnancy. Its just Sarah Palin believes its Bristol's responsibility to deal with the consequences while the arrogant and indoctrinated believe its the rich's responsibility to provide for this child.

Someone who teaches sex education without touching on the subject of abstinence is not covering ALL aspects of the subject, so I'm not sure what you're saying here. Dealing with consequences is something that everyone has to do; those consequences can include treating an STD, raising a child, or having an abortion. Of course, if birth control had been used properly, the consequence could very well have been that Bristol could have enjoyed fucking Levi Johnston safely without having gotten pregnant.

 

[Infohawk]

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

We just don't like idiots preaching about family values when they have none.