Bring the troops home...

[xXped0thugXx]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: GrGr
If Kerry is an idiot what does that make Bush? 😕

A 2-term president.

haha good one:beer:

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Infohawk
I'm going to go with something along the lines of OP's sentiment if Bush wins the election. Last time he was selected, but if Americans are dumb enough to elect him I won't feel bad for the country. It will be cause and effect and the only people to blame will be the American majority when things continue to go south under Shrub II.

As for Iraq, I understand some people got duped but as one of the 30% people that knew this war would be trouble (and I'm not opposed to all wars) I feel more disappointed with the American public than GWB for being too uneducated to understand Iraq was never a threat to the US.

Unsuprising you would. You are a typical elitist leftist. Anyone who disagrees with you is stupid and "deserves bad things". If it is at the expense of the country and our troops, so be it. Of course you aren't against all wars - only those that oppose your political beliefs. Nice of you to distinguish yourself from the pacifists though...

Politically conditional support of the troops and the country. Infosquawk's definition of patriotism.

Allsurmise must have reaD MY POST AND DECIDED TO AGREE. Perfect timing, the elitist argument just like I said. 😀

And it's not liberals who are confusing religion and politics. It's conservatives who conflate them.

Moonie, whatever glimer of truth that may eek its way from your keyboard to the internet ends up spoiled by your one sided applicaiton of it. I find that unfortunate truth to bring me the most sorrow.

I know, I know.....who am I and what difference does it make what I think?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: xXped0thugXx
im going to be heading to Iraq soon and i think those guys over there *if* they vote would still vote for Bush. No offense but word around anyone in the service pretty much agrees that Kerry is an idiot.

This simply isn't true. I am a military member, and know many military members, both officer and enlisted, who support Sen Kerry.

The military certainly tends toward political conservatism (particularly in the officer corps), but there is a LOT of resentment of President Bush's foreign policy, and this is borne out by the Army's recent problems with retention and Guard/Reserve recruiting among separating military members.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: piasabird
It is not like Bush planned on being attacked on 9/11 just so he could start a war.

No, but it sure was a convenient excuse.

I dont really support the Iraq war but I dont support the UN either. The UN is a corrupt organization.

So is the US government.

We should pull all of our troops out of europe and line them up on our boarders and just shoot every mexican that tries to get in like the mexicans do along their southern boarder.

WTF? Mexicans? Where did this come from?

 

[xXped0thugXx]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: xXped0thugXx
im going to be heading to Iraq soon and i think those guys over there *if* they vote would still vote for Bush. No offense but word around anyone in the service pretty much agrees that Kerry is an idiot.

This simply isn't true. I am a military member, and know many military members, both officer and enlisted, who support Sen Kerry.

The military certainly tends toward political conservatism (particularly in the officer corps), but there is a LOT of resentment of President Bush's foreign policy, and this is borne out by the Army's recent problems with retention and Guard/Reserve recruiting among separating military members.

thats true, im guessing its regional dependent like anything else

 

[xXped0thugXx]

Originally posted by: piasabird
It is not like Bush planned on being attacked on 9/11 just so he could start a war.

I dont really support the Iraq war but I dont support the UN either. The UN is a corrupt organization. We should pull all of our troops out of europe and line them up on our boarders and just shoot every mexican that tries to get in like the mexicans do along their southern boarder.

if you think the US Government isnt corrupt and shifty then your wrong, there is so much that is withheld and the like that covers their asses, you just have to dig a little deeper.

 

[judasmachine]

I think there is a strand of truth in the arguement, albeit it's not well worded. If these kids (however brainwashed) want to serve and go to other countries and kill people then it's there lot and let's leave them to it. Live by the sword, Die by the sword, and all that. Their own bible warned them, but they didn't listen.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: xXped0thugXx
im going to be heading to Iraq soon and i think those guys over there *if* they vote would still vote for Bush. No offense but word around anyone in the service pretty much agrees that Kerry is an idiot.

Really? Ive been hearing that the wars in Iraq/Afghanistan seem to have no direction at all from the administration. As if they are just sitting out there waiting around.

 

[xXped0thugXx]

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: xXped0thugXx
im going to be heading to Iraq soon and i think those guys over there *if* they vote would still vote for Bush. No offense but word around anyone in the service pretty much agrees that Kerry is an idiot.

Really? Ive been hearing that the wars in Iraq/Afghanistan seem to have no direction at all from the administration. As if they are just sitting out there waiting around.

depends where you are like anything else... troops need to be cycled (sp) out like any where else in the world, turmoil or not. I have a buddy that pretty much gets up in the morning hikes out to a certain destination and hikes back, thats his day. Another buddy of mine got a bunch of shrapnel in his back,healed up and was right back in the sh!t getting shot at on a daily basis.

 

[slyedog]

gr gr said:::::::::if Kerry is an idiot what does that make Bush? AHEAD IN THE POLLS

 

[jjzelinski]

Originally posted by: slyedog



gr gr said:::::::::if Kerry is an idiot what does that make Bush? AHEAD IN THE POLLS

It's certainly been my experience that the majority of the enlisted folks I encounter are non-conservative Republicans. It's also been my experience that the majority of the folks I encounter are from the south and midwest, so the region agrument holds some water according to what I've observed. Lastly, it's also been my experience that the majority of the folks I've encountered tend to relate strongly to the admin on an asthetic and cultural level; it really ad very little to do with his policies good or bad.

These military members appreciate how relatable Bush is, they like the way he talks, they like the tough guy (I still don't see this one..) image, they like the fact that he is counter-cultural to what they percieve to be the political mentality of the last eight years; diplomacy is for pvssies, our nation has become imoral and Christ needs to be a part of our society all the way through the upper most tiers of our government, empathy is a weakness, do not second guess authority, the world is ungrateful and it's time we start throwing our weight around just because we can.

Personally, I disagree with just about everything the non-conservative Republican (neo-con, if you must) but I would never wish for them to be stuck in the mess that is Iraq sepparated from their families for month after month waiting to die. It's not just hard on them, it's brutal on their families back home.

They may not see the forest for the trees, but aside from their political miopia these are very normal people and I personally like many of them despite their (what I would call) childish perspectives. So before you go about wanting to leave a child to their own devices step back and realizes you're condemning them based on a small part of their human experience.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Infohawk
I'm going to go with something along the lines of OP's sentiment if Bush wins the election. Last time he was selected, but if Americans are dumb enough to elect him I won't feel bad for the country. It will be cause and effect and the only people to blame will be the American majority when things continue to go south under Shrub II.

As for Iraq, I understand some people got duped but as one of the 30% people that knew this war would be trouble (and I'm not opposed to all wars) I feel more disappointed with the American public than GWB for being too uneducated to understand Iraq was never a threat to the US.

Unsuprising you would. You are a typical elitist leftist. Anyone who disagrees with you is stupid and "deserves bad things". If it is at the expense of the country and our troops, so be it. Of course you aren't against all wars - only those that oppose your political beliefs. Nice of you to distinguish yourself from the pacifists though...

Politically conditional support of the troops and the country. Infosquawk's definition of patriotism.

Allsurmise must have reaD MY POST AND DECIDED TO AGREE. Perfect timing, the elitist argument just like I said. 😀

And it's not liberals who are confusing religion and politics. It's conservatives who conflate them.

Moonie, whatever glimer of truth that may eek its way from your keyboard to the internet ends up spoiled by your one sided applicaiton of it. I find that unfortunate truth to bring me the most sorrow.

I know, I know.....who am I and what difference does it make what I think?

No no, you don't know. What you think is very important to me. But you need to be specific about your charges so I can respond to something concrete. Just explain where and how I was being one sided. I might agree with you but I don't know what you are really wound about here.

 

[SgtBuddy]

Originally posted by: xXped0thugXx
... but word around anyone in the service pretty much agrees that Kerry is an idiot.

hmmmm...


I am a Veteran for Kerry and, I watched the characters magically appear when I typed this message.