TangoJuliet
Diamond Member
Thank you!! It is going to be brought to the floor on Monday.
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Bring S1300 to the Senate floor and vote YES!!!
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Thank you!! It is going to be brought to the floor on Monday.
TangoJuliet
Diamond Member
No I just dont understand what you are saying. We got 15,000 flights on the ground in 2 hours and we should have been docked?
TangoJuliet
Diamond Member
Are you kidding me? How exactly would you have liked air traffic controllers to avoid a situation like 9/11? Do you know anything about aviation? Its amazing that the controllers were able to avoid any conflicts with those hijacked planes since they were essentially invisible.
Pepsi90919
Lifer
you're a douche and daniel1113 is right
2Xtreme21
Diamond Member
The hell do you think? ATC's can just press a button and ground a plane automatically? If you want to blame anyone for your 9/11 troll, blame the fucking government who didn't scramble fighters fast enough and were eventually told to stand down by Cheney.
But no, you have to take any opportunity you can get to bash unions. Why don't you go over to China and work in a sweatshop making Fisher Price toys for 125 hours a week for less than a dollar a day? You'd obviously be happy there.
TangoJuliet
Diamond Member
Exactly. I did not want to get into it because that is not what this thread is about. Its about helping the air traffic controllers out.
As for 9/11 air traffic controllers had nothing to do with it. The call came down from the command center to ground all flights but had their hands tied by the military to dispatch the fighters. Even after the fighters were dispatched they flew the opposite direction and still had to get clearance from the government to enter the airspace.
Like I have stated several times already - Air Traffic Controllers are NOT looking for a pay raise. All we want is to be able to go back to the table to negotiate our own contract rather then have some payrules shoved down our throat.
If you dont agree with unions or whatever that is fine. Just watch and see what kind of delays you will experience when flying coming this summer and beyond. There are simply not enough controllers (or experienced controllers) in the US.
TangoJuliet
Diamond Member
I'm not sure what that is but I'll be glad to help.
MikeyIs4Dcats
Lifer
you are a COMPLETE and UTTER fucking idiot.
That is one of the stupidest comments about 9/11 I've heard in some time.
TangoJuliet
Diamond Member
I will basically summarize the bill. Please note there are some things in the bill that I'm not familar with such as something to do with unionizing FedEx or UPS or something.
The bill is part of the FAA reauthorization act - the way they collect fees to run the system. Its basically charging more tax on avgas. The bill had originally supported the use of "user fees" charging a pilot $25 for every IFR flight plan filed but that has since been removed. The airlines had been angered that the current taxes benefitted the private/corporate jets as they paid less in taxes but had the same separation rules applied in flight.
The funding from this bill will go towards building the NextGen ATC system which will use GPS based equipment rather then RADAR and will reduce separation minimums. There is a big debate on this NextGen system but I will not get into it.
HR2881 which passed last year is basically the same bill but has some different wording. For air traffic controllers S1300 says what the FAA did back in 2006 by imposing their payrules was legal and the contract is valid for the 5 years. However, it stipulates that this will never happen again and the FAA cannot just impose whatever they want on the workforce.
HR2881 says that what the FAA did was illegal and will roll back everything the new contract did (white book) back to the old contract (green book) essentially saying the white book never existed.
If S1300 passes then it will go to committee along with HR2881 and there language from the 2 bills will be combined into one bill. That bill will then be presented before the President for signature. President Bush has said in the past that he will veto any bill that does not contain the user fees but given the black eye of recent events by the FAA (Southwest, American and Delta maintenance issues, Dallas Ft. Worth controllers had errors but blamed on pilots, as well as the union stuff) the President may go ahead and sign it anyway to avoid any further bad press.
If you care to read it you can go HERE!!
TangoJuliet
Diamond Member
While thats fine and I agree with you completely by doing this you are limiting the amount of money we can make in our careers. By cutting 10 years off of eligible employment we can lose anywhere from $500,000 to $1,000,000 in salary alone.
TangoJuliet
Diamond Member
I'm not saying that....I'm saying some people have problems with ATCers when they hear they make $100k/year (which most do not).
I work in a level 10 facility, the nation's most delayed airport and make $79,000/yr living in New York. Before the imposed work rules controllers at my facility made around $104,000. Now what we have is 2 different pay scales in which people are doing the same job but are being paid less.
Dont get me wrong $79,000 is a descent salary but nothing like WOW I'm super rich now!! Add that to the fact that I work shift work, work very busy holidays, forced retirement at 56, etc etc and you realize that the 79k isnt as nice as it sounds. Bottom line I dont do the work for the money.
TangoJuliet
Diamond Member
Yes I do and $55k sure doesn't go very far. I guess I'll have to find a job at age 56 to supplement the lost income. Shouldn't be too hard for a 56 year old to find a $24k job. I can just picture it now.
"I used to be a air traffic controller at new York's laguardia airport...er excuse me so would you like fries with that?"
alkemyst
No Lifer
It sure beats what the majority of america will get as a pension as well as the post-employment benefits like health care and the like that go with it.
Cry us a river. Air Traffic Controllers, although important are already GROSSLY overpaid.
They had a free ride prior to the reform, and they still are on a gravy train and whining.
Speaking of trains, this thread has derailed. And I started it with the pay comment.
The OP wasn't very clear with what the bill was for and he has made an attempt to detail what is going on in later posts.
Lets try and keep the personal insults out of this thread.
The OP wasn't very clear with what the bill was for and he has made an attempt to detail what is going on in later posts.
Lets try and keep the personal insults out of this thread.
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