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FALLUJAH, Iraq -- In a narrow alley, Marines pinned down by a hail of guerrilla fire sent up red smoke in a cry for help. Tanks pounded shell after shell into houses, while troops on the city's edge crawled forward on their bellies, firing on insurgents.

U.S. forces faced a tough urban battle Tuesday in their drive to pacify one of Iraq's most dangerous cities. Block by block, they fought their way into Fallujah, where Iraqi guerrillas killed four American civilians and a mob mutilated their bodies last week.



After nightfall, troops held a swath several blocks deep in one corner of the city of 200,000, Marine Maj. Briandon McGolwan said.

U.S. forces called out a weapon rarely used against the Iraqi guerrillas: the AC-130 gunship, a warplane that circles over a target, laying down a devastating barrage of heavy machine gun fire.

Fallujah hospital officials said they received 16 Iraqi dead Tuesday and more than 20 wounded, including women and children.

During the day, U.S. forces made their deepest excursion since the siege of Fallujah began Monday. Troops in Humvees and on foot pushed into central neighborhoods, trading fire with gunmen before pulling back from the furthest points before dark, witnesses said.

Marines from the 2nd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, entrenched in the desert just outside Fallujah, battled for hours Tuesday evening with insurgents firing from houses on the city's northeastern edge.

The battle began when a foot patrol that went a few blocks into the city came under fire from a house, said Cpl. Christopher Ebert, of Forest City, N.C., who was on the patrol. He said two Marines were wounded.

Trapped in a narrow alley, unable to see the source of fire, the Marines put up red smoke to summon help, and a tank and an armored Humvee moved in. The tank battered the house with a heavy machine gun, and the patrol was extracted.

But soon afterward, guerrillas opened fire with rocket-propelled grenades and automatic weapons on the 2nd Battalion Marines just outside the city, sending the Americans diving into the sand and sparking a battle that lasted into the night.

Troops crawled belly-down in the sand, firing and advancing across the swath of desert between them and the first line of buildings. From behind them, Abrams tanks pounded the neighborhood with shells, setting at least five houses on fire. Helicopters swirled overhead firing at any gunmen they saw.

Near the Americans, guerrilla mortars exploded, sending sand flying, and bullets whizzed over their heads.

"Insurgents usually fire and run. This time they're digging in, which is the first time we've seen them do that," Ebert said.

Hundreds of Marines moved into the neighborhood, seizing buildings to use as positions against the insurgents and in some cases climbing to the rooftops. Some helicopters were hit with small arms, but not shot down.

The gunmen "use lots of hit-and-run tactics. They ambush a lot and it is more tough for us to fight that way because we don't want to injure civilians," Marine Capt. Kyle Staddard said.

McGolwan said U.S. troops have captured 14 insurgents since Monday in the area.

Fallujah, 30 miles west of Baghdad, has long been a bastion of the Sunni Muslim guerrillas. Support for the insurgency is strong -- and hatred of the U.S.-led occupation is widespread, as evidenced by the cheering Iraqis who dragged the four Americans' burned bodies through the streets a week ago.

On Fallujah's outskirts, one Iraqi farmer just wanted to be able to reach his gardens, now in an area blocked by U.S. forces.

"The Americans, by coming here, have harmed us," said Ahmad Mashhan. "We are not armed people and we are not terrorists but we are suffering from the siege."

Asked how long it would take to seize the whole city, the Marines' McGolwan replied: "As long as it takes."
 

Shelly21

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This was on NPR, a kid came up to a marine and said something like "Hey mister, why did you come to Fallujah to die?"

That's just wrong.
 

Drift3r

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Originally posted by: Shelly21
This was on NPR, a kid came up to a marine and said something like "Hey mister, why did you come to Fallujah to die?"

That's just wrong.

Sadly this is the state of affairs in Iraq. If the Shiites and Sunnis start coordinating attacks on our troops you should just consider this whole affair a loss. When it comes to guerrilla warfare our troops will be out of luck. Sure we can take down standing armies with ease but a guerrilla war with both Shiites and Sunnis taking pot-shots at our troops means we have completely lost any sort of control we had in Iraq.
 

maddogchen

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The battle began when a foot patrol that went a few blocks into the city came under fire from a house, said Cpl. Christopher Ebert, of Forest City, N.C., who was on the patrol. He said two Marines were wounded.

Sending a foot patrol into a heavily fortified city bracing for an attack? Not very bright.
 

Pennstate

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Even though I consider myself a liberal, there are times when the distinction between civilians (including children) and enemies can not be made. Just like Korean war and Vietnam war. Sometimes, you have to mow them all down. If they are smart, they should be staying in there houses.
 

Tripleshot

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Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: Shelly21
This was on NPR, a kid came up to a marine and said something like "Hey mister, why did you come to Fallujah to die?"

That's just wrong.

Sadly this is the state of affairs in Iraq. If the Shiites and Sunnis start coordinating attacks on our troops you should just consider this whole affair a loss. When it comes to guerrilla warfare our troops will be out of luck. Sure we can take down standing armies with ease but a guerrilla war with both Shiites and Sunnis taking pot-shots at our troops means we have completely lost any sort of control we had in Iraq.

Because we didn't earn their respect. These people are fighting for their country. We are fighting to take it from them, in spite of what this administration wants to tell you. The new Iraq will be the Iraq the US approves of, and no other. We do not , nor have we ever had the right to dictate t oa soverign nation the government they will have, and at gunpoint no less.

Wasn't it Bush who said he was not into "nation building" in his campaign diatribe of 2000 election? Talk about a flip flop. The hypocracy of his ad campaign attacking Kerry is one who flip flops is a bunch of crap copmared to Bush/Cheney. :|
 

CaptnKirk

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These people that our troops are engaging are not a standing trained Army.
They are NOT terrorists brought in by al Queda for a Jihad.

We are now in a Urban Warfare - Guerrilla time, armed conflict with the citizens of the country,
who have have had their emotions fired up with a jolt of testosterone and patriotism.

Unfortunately our fight has turned us on the citizens we were supposed to save.
Tragic.
 

Pennstate

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This turn illustrates how planning is so important. Too bad hotshot rumsfeld was too cocky to take Shinseki's advice