Bring back manufacturing BIGLY!

[K1052]

They genuinely won't care. I had a "discussion" with a friend-of-a-friend the other day about manufacturing jobs. (He very definitely wasn't a bot or a professional troll.) He was raging about Obama having said that Trump didn't have a magic wand to bring back manufacturing jobs. (It was a quote taken from a long, thoughtful answer during a townhall mostly focusing on the impact of automation.)

I pulled numbers and plots from the BLS to show that the modest growth that manufacturing jobs had enjoyed under Trump followed a very similar trend to what they had seen under the majority of the Obama administration, but that the totals remained well off of where they were 30 years ago. I was very snidely told to cut it out with my "fake news charts" and that "everyone knew" that job growth under Obama had been terrible.

They don't *care*.

The whole thing is more about feelings than any set of facts, right down to Trump's own policies.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

The whole thing is more about feelings than any set of facts, right down to Trump's own policies.

Yup I really don’t think the Presidents is too far off base. I know there is no plan and nobody knows what winning looks like until the President says we’ve won.
That is my main problem with the tariffs.

I’m not opposed to paying more for some stuff, I’m not opposed to paying some extra taxes to support effected businesses or people whom lost a job due to it.

I’m against there being no strategy or any clearly stated goals.

 

[K1052]

Yup I really don’t think the Presidents is too far off base. I know there is no plan and nobody knows what winning looks like until the President says we’ve won.
That is my main problem with the tariffs.

I’m not opposed to paying more for some stuff, I’m not opposed to paying some extra taxes to support effected businesses or people whom lost a job due to it.

I’m against there being no strategy or any clearly stated goals.

Peter Navarro is on TV telling us that there is no manufacturing downturn. Trump says steel and coal are back, that farmers are doing amazing, and that all the manufacturing we lost to China is coming back to the US.

Besides there being no plan or firm goal these people are lying to our faces. When it blows up they won't be left holding the bag.

 

[dank69]

If they switch channels from Fox they might.

Yeah the only channel they'll switch to is OAN

 

[Vic]

Stupid is as stupid does.

I can't believe half of our country voted to nuke our record long economic expansion and blow up the deficit again just because they'd have to credit a D.

So instead they thought long and hard, and decided to vote in another elitist, draft dodging, business school flunky, with the minor tweaks of being less of a warmongerer, but far more corrupt, boorish and racist.

Bravo conservatives.

It's because they've been brainwashed into believing that "globalization" has no upsides and only downsides. See the recent thread by one of our economically illiterate conservatives arguing that globalization only steals jobs and stagnates wages. As if there aren't countless well-paying jobs that are dependent on global trade, as if global trade doesn't increase consumer purchasing power, and as if global trade doesn't reduce international tensions that might otherwise lead to military conflict.
Oh well, we're about to find out some of the downsides of protectionism/nationalism.

 

[hal2kilo]

Scary equities, or 1.78% money markets. Yea, we need lower rates.

 

[K1052]

Scary equities, or 1.78% money markets. Yea, we need lower rates.

Take rates down to zero and tariff all imports at 100%. Also cut corporate taxes again.

MAGA.

 

[theeedude]

Well, they tried Trumpism, it failed, what next?