brikis98's diet experiment

brikis98

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The Motivation

Ever since I managed to lose 43lbs last year, I've become more and more interested in diet. I've spent some time reading and found the following books/articles to be particularly interesting:

Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes
Makes a very strong argument that the "lipid hypothesis" - that dietary fat is bad for us and makes us obese and sick - is extremely flawed. Also discusses how not all calories are the same and how the type of calories can be just as important as the quantity. Taubes presents a "carbohydrate hypothesis" in which he claims that the hormonal reaction to processed foods, especially processed carbs, may be the actual cause of obesity, heart disease, diabetes, and even cancer. A short version of Taubes' stance can be seen in the New York Times article What if It's All Been a Big Fat Lie?.

Enter The Zone by Barry Sears
Makes many of the same claims as Good Calories, Bad Calories about the impact of diet on hormones, plus some extra ones, and lays out a specific nutrition plan to take advantage of these claims. I must admit that while some of the scientific backing for this diet is sound, much of it is can also be controversial, pseudo scientific, anecdotal, or just plain wrong. Still, the diet has a lot of redeeming qualities, including urging people to avoid processed foods, focusing on whole foods (especially fruits & veggies), including sufficient protein & fat in the diet, and not eschewing carbs entirely as some evil substance. Basic info about the Zone Diet is on Barry Sears' homepage.

In Defense of Food by Michael Pollan.
Pollan makes a strong argument against "nutritionism", which I think is pretty unique and enlightening. He takes a strong stance in favor of focusing the diet on food rather than the nutrients that make up food, because, in all honesty, our understanding of nutrients is piss poor. He also discusses the likely ills that come from processed products, which he doesn't consider "food" at all. The basic recommendation of the book is to: "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." For those who are interested, an abbreviated version of his stance can be found in the New York Times article Unhappy Meals.

The calorie delusion: Why food labels are wrong by Bijal Trivedi.
This article contains lots of interesting evidence that indicates that the type of food we eat is just as important as the quantity. For example, the number of calories listed on the labels of food can be off by as much as 25% because they do not take into account numerous factors, such as the widely differing amounts of energy it takes to digest different foods. If you're struggling to lose weight, the source of your calories may be just as influential as the total amount.

The Plan

For one month, I'm going to try out several changes to my diet. My goals are to maintain my bodyweight at around ~185lbs and to maximize my athletic performance in Crossfit workouts. Reducing my body fat percentage (currently ~12%) without a significant change in bodyweight would be a nice bonus, but not something I expect or care about greatly. I'll update this thread from time to time to explain how the experiment has been going, what I've been eating, how I've been feeling, and how I've been performing at my workouts.

1. Minimize processed food consumption
This is a big change and no matter how this diet experiment turns out, I'll probably stick with it. As Michael Pollan says, it seems clear that the human digestion system is well adapted to handle a very wide range of diets, but the "Western Diet" is not one of them. The "Western Diet" contains a huge amount of highly processed products (especially refined carbs) and every single one of the books above contains VERY strong evidence that this leads to a vast array of health problems. I eat virtually no junk food, fast food, or soda as it is, but I'll still need to make numerous changes, including seriously cutting down on pasta, rice, bread, cereal, sweets, and most other foods that are heavily processed or contain refined ingredients (flour, HFCS, etc). The one exception, at least for now, will be whey protein powder as it's otherwise inconvenient to meet my protein needs. Edit: I no longer use whey protein powder either.

2. Maximize whole food consumption
To replace the processed foods in my diet, I'm going to focus on whole foods. This means eating more fruits, veggies, nuts, seeds, mushrooms, meat, seafood and, in general, buying foods as close to their raw state as is reasonable. In this way, my diet is a bit like the Paleo Diet. However, I will NOT be avoiding milk products, legumes, corn on the cob or anything else that grows in nature. I consider these foods "whole" and, as long as they are not overly processed, I doubt they will have any negative impact.

3. Strive to use the "Zone" macronutrient breakdown
This is the one I'm most skeptical about and have a feeling it'll be more trouble than it's worth. However, I must admit that the anecdotal evidence of the numerous elite athletes that swear by this diet (include many CFers) is extremely compelling. I figure it can't hurt to try it and if it doesn't work, the two dietary changes above should still benefit me greatly. The goal is to make sure that the calories in each meal consist of roughly 40% carbs, 30% protein and 30% fat. Although there is very little scientific evidence that this exact breakdown is "ideal", I've read through numerous studies, such as this one (I can post some others if anyone is interested), that suggest that a diet moderate (30-40%) in all 3 macronutrients is most likely a good choice for athletes. Starting with my approximate protein needs (~1g/lb of LBM), and splitting my food intake into my typical 5-6 meals, the 40/30/30 breakdown will let me plan out meals relatively easily.


 
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Kinda neat. I've made similar changes in my diet to abide by the Zone diet, but do not keep "blocks" in regard. At each meal, I have a fair portion of protein, some sort of fruit and veggies, and some sort of fat (cheese, nuts, somethin'). Since I've made these changes, I feel fairly improved in reducing recovery time, gym performance, etc. I feel it opens up my performance range a bit more and I know it's healthy. However, I still end up eating something like canned soup or chili once or twice I week. I'd like to cut that out, but sometimes it just doesn't work out. Good luck with the changes. You'll feel a little bit better as a result.
 

EvilYoda

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I'm just starting with CF and I've gotten a lot better with my eating habits in the last 8 months (since I moved to Phoenix), but I will never adhere to a strict diet. There is just too much good food out there (and I enjoy eating it) that it's not worth it to me. I'm not competing in anything, I'm not an athlete..."good enough" is fine for me, I suppose.

Do continue to share with us though, it'll be interesting to see what changes you experience.

edit: this was written with a pile of almonds on the table. ;)
 

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The last month

I actually started my transition to whole foods about a month ago, knowing that doing it all in one day would not be practical. I had meant to create this thread back then, but kept forgetting about it until today. During this time, I gradually finished up whatever processed foods I had at home and didn't buy any more. At the supermarket, I largely kept to the outside perimeter and slowly got used to buying exclusively whole foods. I wasn't too excited about it, as I really like some of the processed foods I eat, but it didn't take long for me to begin noticing results (see below). Now, a month later, I've gotten rid of virtually all the crap from my diet and am ready to try this out 100%.

Foods I stopped eating

Cereal: I used to eat Kashi Go Lean cereal every day for breakfast but have now switched to cottage cheese + peanut butter + berries. This combo sounds weird to a lot of people, but I find it to be absolutely delicious and far more satisfying than the cereal.
Pasta & rice: back in college, I used to subsist almost entirely on spaghetti, angel hair, tortellini, ravioli, mac & cheese and the like. This is a transition I've been making for years and now that it's finally done, I actually don't miss it at all. Pasta was super easy/convenient to cook, but I ate it so damn often that I actually got sick of the taste.
Bread: sandwiches were another staple of my college life that I've been moving away from for a few years and finally put a stop to a couple weeks back. Like pasta, they are really quick/convenient, but I don't particularly miss them otherwise.
Bread crumbs: I've used these as part of chicken, fish & shrimp recipes. There are certainly other recipes that I like too, but I kind of miss these. I wonder if there are some kind of whole grain, healthier bread crumbs I could get for the occasional breaded shrimp or chicken parm dish?
Sweets: I don't have too much of a sweet tooth and my only real weakness is cookies, especially of the oatmeal raisin variety. These may be my the toughest part for me and I'll probably sneak one in from time to time anyway.
Peanut butter: I used to eat Skippy peanut butter as I found most "natural" peanut butters tasted like mortar. However, I recently tried Teddie's All Natural Peanut Butter and absolutely loved it. I guess it's a processed food, but probably not overly so, and I really like the sparse list of ingredients: "peanuts".

The Results So Far

Over this first month, even though I had not been tracking calories or following the Zone, my bodyweight stayed in the 183-186 range. I haven't measured recently, but subjectively, it actually seems like I've added some muscle and reduced my bf%. My abs are a little more visible and I can actually see some striations in my shoulders. However, far more noticeable has been the streak of PR's I put up starting on February 11, a couple weeks into my whole-food based diet. In the two weeks since then, I've set PR's in the split jerk, power clean, power snatch, deadlift, OH press, OH squat, Fran, Mr. Joshua, Cindy, and I got my first ever kip-up and front lever.

Perhaps all of these a coincidence and had nothing to do with diet - my experiment is no scientific study, has no control group, and no results that could be considered statistically significant. Still, every new PR was very encouraging, and had driven me to finally commit myself fully to this diet experiment. It should be an interesting month :)

 

TallBill

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Seems like it's going to be tedious, and I don't think the benefits will be that huge. But, I could be dead wrong and it'll still be a fun experiment to try. Perhaps when you're done you'll find an easier to maintain median.

I know that my current weight gainer protein powder has sugary carbs and I'll be switching to another shake that uses complex carbs from oats/rice.
 

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Monday, February 23

I'm not sure I'll be updating this thread everyday, but thought I'd share my experiences from day 1 of being 100% on a Zone/Paleo style diet. As I said earlier, I made the transition to whole foods gradually over the last month, but using the Zone diet is a new wrinkle:

* As I suspected, measuring out portions, calculating blocks, and trying to get everything to balance is quite tedious. To do it properly, I might need a digital scale, but that won't help me at work, where I eat 2-3 meals during the day, so I need to get good at eyeballing this stuff ASAP.

* When I was cutting weight a few months ago, once I got to the ~185lbs mark, hunger became a more noticeable problem for me. Even after I finished cutting and was eating maintenance calories, I still found hunger problematic, and struggled to stay within my caloric limits. My gradual transition to whole foods this past month was of no help and I'd have days where I'd be hungry all the damn time. However, today, after meticulously eating Zone portions, I could not help but notice one big change: I was not hungry. It could very well have been a coincidence or purely psychological, but I distinctly felt very full between meals. I ate lunch 30 minutes later than usual and was so stuffed that I almost forgot my mid-day snack. What's weird is that my caloric intake is no different now than it was before. I used thedailyplate.com to help calculate my Zone portions, and the number of calories I consumed today is no more than any other day. If anything, it's less. I'm too cynical/skeptical to believe this is because of the Zone diet's 40/30/30 breakdown per se - perhaps making a deliberate effort to eat more fat with every single meal is making me feel more sated - but if this keeps up, it's already a big win.

* In terms of energy levels and all that jazz, I felt no different today than any other day. Of course, it was a rest day from the gym, so the next 3 days of CF workouts should be more revealing.
 

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Tuesday, February 24

Day 2 was pretty interesting. Like yesterday, I felt unusually full after breakfast, lunch and my mid-day snack. I'm still eating the same number of calories in these meals as before, but possibly because of the higher proportion of fat, or maybe because I'm in "the Zone" (bleh, what a stupid name), I feel way more full as a result. However, after my workout, things were quite different. I was VERY hungry immediately after and a Zone snack did little to help. Less than an hour later, I scarfed down a bigger dinner than I had intended. A few hours after that, I was hungry again and had a bigger snack than I intended.

I suspect that eating this zone break down has reduced my carb/protein intake a bit in favor of more fat and I wonder if that could be impacting my workouts? I remember reading studies that eating more fat helps endurance events, but at very high intensities (ie, just about every CF workout), carbs become more important. Perhaps I ended up carb starved after the workout? Or maybe I just need to give my body a bit more time to adapt to this.
 

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The last few days this week went very well. I haven't had time to properly track and measure everything and have already regressed to eyeballing the diet. It just doesn't seem to be reasonable in my schedule to ensure perfect Zone portions, so I do the best I can by guestimating it. However, I must say that the simple act of ensuring a decent amount of protein, carbs and fat in each meal does seem to keep me nicely full, despite the fact that I don't think I'm actually eating more calories than before. Also, I'm really starting to enjoy my diet of whole foods. I expected to miss all the pasta, bread, cereal, but other than oatmeal raisin cookies (my Achilles heel), I don't miss any of it. Something about piling your plate with veggies, fruits, nuts and meats produces an incredibly satisfying meal that processed food just can't compete with.

In terms of performance, I set two more PR's this week (power clean 1RM, Helen WoD), and have been feeling pretty good overall. I can't say with any scientific certainty that I've seen any real improvement, but I certainly don't feel any worse, despite the fact that I'm probably eating fewer carbs overall.
 

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Originally posted by: TallBill
Can you post a day's breakdown of food? I'm always interested in diets.

Sure. Yesterday was:

Breakfast: cottage cheese with peanut butter and blueberries, a clementine, and a glass of milk

Lunch: fruit salad, asian salad (lettuce, tomatoes, cucumber, mandarin oranges, some other veggies I didn't recognize), bbq chicken, bacon. Note: lunch is catered at work a few days a week, so I just pick whatever whole foods I can from what's available.

Pre workout snack: mixed nuts, apple, glass of milk

Post workout snack: banana, milk with whey protein

Dinner: veggie stir fry (broccoli, mushrooms, onions, bean sprouts), roasted chicken, caprese salad (cherry tomatoes, fresh mozarella, plenty of olive oil, seasoning)

Late night snack: ricotta cheese with honey and blueberries


 

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March 3rd Update

Alright, so here are the pros and cons I've seen of this new diet after about a week.

Pros

* My bodyweight has dropped a little bit, fluctuating in the 182.0-184.0 range instead of 184.0-186.0. It had been on an upward trend for a little while before I started the shift to whole food, so it's nice to see it come back down.
* Despite that, I'm not having any issues with being hungry any more. When I was just tracking caloric intake, I'd periodically get to the end of a day and find myself hungry, even though I had already eaten my "maintenance" calories. This was a massive PITA and the fact that it seems to be gone is fantastic.
* I'm enjoying each meal a lot more than before. Preparing meals with only whole foods - rather than chowing down on factory processed crap - forces me to actually put some effort into cooking and ultimately makes each meal much more satisfying.
* Subjectively, it seems that my overall energy levels and mood have remained unchanged, which is a good thing, as I was worried eating fewer carbs would be a problem. Athletic performance seems to have actually improved over this last month, although it's always tough to tell if that's a factor of diet or just the fact that Crossfit leads to improvements in fitness all the time.
* On a random and slightly gross note, I've noticed that my bowel movements have, er, become more solid and regular. I never had any problems in this regard, but I've definitely noticed an improvement anyway. Perhaps all the extra fiber in the fruit/veggies is paying off :)

Cons

* Food is more expensive. I use mint.com to track my finances and I definitely spent more money on food last month than any other month over the last year. As Michael Pollan pointed out, processed food offers the cheapest calories in the supermarket, while whole foods tend to be the most expensive.
* Cooking takes longer. Processed food definitely wins in the convenience category, as it's hard to beat the time/effort commitment for boiling some pasta or having a bowl of cereal.
* It can be hard to maintain the diet when eating out, eating the catered lunches I get at work, or eating with family/friends. I visited my folks this weekend and had to find creative ways to reject certain foods without insulting my mom. Of course, my parents would probably benefit from switching to whole foods more than anyone, but good luck convincing them...
* Measuring Zone portions took too much time & effort. I couldn't even make it through one week of doing it and am now exclusively using the eyeball approach: for each meal, I try to eat a moderate portion of protein, a ton of fruits & veggies (hard to overdo it with these), and a small portion of fats (nuts, oils, etc).
 

EvilYoda

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Nice report...I would say that 80% of the time, I'm eating 90% correctly. ;) For instance, my breakfast is usually cottage cheese (2% low fat) with low-fat yogurt, maybe some milk and fruit of some sort. I typically don't eat until 8:30-9, so lunch approaches at 11:30-12 before I get hungry. Today I had whole wheat bread with some ham and muenster cheese. I'll have some almonds in a bit, maybe a protein shake before I leave work. Dinner's either steak or chicken, occasionally fish.

But there's no way I can stick to this consistently...if my friends want to go out, we go out. I'm still drinking once a week and I'll have the occasional beer with my steak. I think that I've made enough changes from my previous eating habits that I can be happy with myself.

Good job and good luck, brikis :)
 

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Originally posted by: EvilYoda
Nice report...I would say that 80% of the time, I'm eating 90% correctly. ;) For instance, my breakfast is usually cottage cheese (2% low fat) with low-fat yogurt, maybe some milk and fruit of some sort. I typically don't eat until 8:30-9, so lunch approaches at 11:30-12 before I get hungry. Today I had whole wheat bread with some ham and muenster cheese. I'll have some almonds in a bit, maybe a protein shake before I leave work. Dinner's either steak or chicken, occasionally fish.

But there's no way I can stick to this consistently...if my friends want to go out, we go out. I'm still drinking once a week and I'll have the occasional beer with my steak. I think that I've made enough changes from my previous eating habits that I can be happy with myself.

Good job and good luck, brikis :)

Heh, thanks. I'm doing the best that I can with the diet, although I give myself some slack from time to time. As long as you eat properly 90% of the time, the other 10% won't make any real impact. For example:

* Sausage and kielbasa: I always get the kind that use only "all natural" ingredients (ie, no HFCS and the like), but I honestly have no idea how much processing is involved with this kind of food. Hopefully, it's not too much, as I eat one or the other once a week or so.
* Pizza: it's one of my absolutely favorite foods and the most common one in my "cheat" list. The gf and I make our own at home and the only offending ingredient is the dough, but I have yet to find a whole wheat dough that tastes good.
* Sauces/dressings: a lot of the ones I commonly use, such as my BBQ sauce and a vinaigrette salad dressing I really like, contain lots of processed ingredients, such as HFCS. Hopefully I'll find some good ones soon with natural ingredients or, in the case of salad dressing, just make my own.
* Whey protein: although whole food still provides the overwhelming majority of my protein intake, I find it tough to meet my protein requirements without this stuff. I also believe that protein intake right after a workout is very important and find it much easier to get a protein shake down than some kind of meat after strenuous activity.
 

EvilYoda

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Originally posted by: brikis98
Originally posted by: EvilYoda
Nice report...I would say that 80% of the time, I'm eating 90% correctly. ;) For instance, my breakfast is usually cottage cheese (2% low fat) with low-fat yogurt, maybe some milk and fruit of some sort. I typically don't eat until 8:30-9, so lunch approaches at 11:30-12 before I get hungry. Today I had whole wheat bread with some ham and muenster cheese. I'll have some almonds in a bit, maybe a protein shake before I leave work. Dinner's either steak or chicken, occasionally fish.

But there's no way I can stick to this consistently...if my friends want to go out, we go out. I'm still drinking once a week and I'll have the occasional beer with my steak. I think that I've made enough changes from my previous eating habits that I can be happy with myself.

Good job and good luck, brikis :)

Heh, thanks. I'm doing the best that I can with the diet, although I give myself some slack from time to time. As long as you eat properly 90% of the time, the other 10% won't make any real impact. For example:

* Sausage and kielbasa: I always get the kind that use only "all natural" ingredients (ie, no HFCS and the like), but I honestly have no idea how much processing is involved with this kind of food. Hopefully, it's not too much, as I eat one or the other once a week or so.
* Pizza: it's one of my absolutely favorite foods and the most common one in my "cheat" list. The gf and I make our own at home and the only offending ingredient is the dough, but I have yet to find a whole wheat dough that tastes good.
* Sauces/dressings: a lot of the ones I commonly use, such as my BBQ sauce and a vinaigrette salad dressing I really like, contain lots of processed ingredients, such as HFCS. Hopefully I'll find some good ones soon with natural ingredients or, in the case of salad dressing, just make my own.
* Whey protein: although whole food still provides the overwhelming majority of my protein intake, I find it tough to meet my protein requirements without this stuff. I also believe that protein intake right after a workout is very important and find it much easier to get a protein shake down than some kind of meat after strenuous activity.

Yeah, it's also a good way to kill two birds with one stone for me - I get a protein bump and it can also stave away hunger, even though I'm seldom hungry. It's just so darn convenient :)
 

TallBill

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I notice a difference in my body already after just a week of a cleaner diet and some cardio.
 

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March 10 Update

I just spent the last few days with the gf exploring San Francisco and Stanford campus and the diet experiment was definitely put on hold. Sometimes the only food options available were the cause, at other times, time considerations were, and on many others, I just felt like treating myself. We pigged out at a diner one night, had some less than ideal Chinese food at an airport, and got some awesome desserts in a few wonderful cafes in San Fran (we had them with some good Californian wine... mmmm). Unfortunately, even though we spent 3-6 hours walking everyday, I didn't get any real exercise either. I'm back home now and weighed in at 186.0 this morning, which is a bit disappointing. I guess it's time to get my butt back into gear :)
 

EvilYoda

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I've been watching the diet videos posted on CF's journal...my observations are that I eat very similarly for lunch and dinners are always a substantial protein with a side of veggies. I suppose I don't get enough sugars/carbs in there and I might be a little low on the fat.

Thing is, after watching the latest video, I have even less reason to change my diet...eating like that might as well just be like eating a blended meal.

I went and bought groceries for the week yesterday and here's what I bought: low fat cottage cheese, low fat yogurt, 2 steaks, 2 salmon fillets, asparagus, cauliflower, deli turkey breast, provolone cheese, whole wheat bread, bananas, apples, strawberries, and mangoes. I think that's pretty decent. Cheat probably twice a week.
 

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Originally posted by: EvilYoda
I've been watching the diet videos posted on CF's journal...my observations are that I eat very similarly for lunch and dinners are always a substantial protein with a side of veggies. I suppose I don't get enough sugars/carbs in there and I might be a little low on the fat.

Thing is, after watching the latest video, I have even less reason to change my diet...eating like that might as well just be like eating a blended meal.

I went and bought groceries for the week yesterday and here's what I bought: low fat cottage cheese, low fat yogurt, 2 steaks, 2 salmon fillets, asparagus, cauliflower, deli turkey breast, provolone cheese, whole wheat bread, bananas, apples, strawberries, and mangoes. I think that's pretty decent. Cheat probably twice a week.

If I can draw one conclusion from this diet experiment so far, it's that eating primarily whole foods (meats, fish, fruits, veggies) and minimizing/eliminating processed foods (cereal, pasta, bread, rice, sweets, sugars) is a relatively easy and incredibly effective way to improve your diet. Your shopping list seems fantastic, so I'm not surprised you don't see much of a motivation to change your diet.

However, one thing I've noticed is that striving towards a "Zone" macronutrient breakdown (40/30/30) seems to offer one awesome benefit: reduced appetite. My shopping list was pretty similar to yours for a while and my meals were largely lacking in fat - I probably had a 55/30/15 breakdown. Once I started making a conscious effort to include more fat - mostly in the form of nuts, nut butters, oils, and cheeses - in my diet, I find that I get full faster and stay full longer. This naturally reduced my food intake without having to worry about any artificial calorie limitation and made it possible to maintain my bodyweight pretty effortlessly. Maybe it's because fat increases satiety, or maybe it's the decrease in carbs (and insulin response), but the effect has been pretty noticeable. I think it's abundantly clear that, despite what the "official guidelines" say, dietary fat is not bad for you, and may have numerous health benefits, so working more into the diet may be a good idea.
 

EvilYoda

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Yeah, I think that a nut butter is something I'm going to have to start incorporating into my diet. I could probably just eat it with an apple between breakfast and lunch.

Another thing I'm not quite sure about, is that I've read numerous times about how to avoid dairy - I'm not going to, but I'm curious to know the reasoning behind it. I like milk, cheese, etc.
 

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Originally posted by: EvilYoda
Yeah, I think that a nut butter is something I'm going to have to start incorporating into my diet. I could probably just eat it with an apple between breakfast and lunch.
Good choice - apples + peanut butter are one of my favorite snacks :)

Originally posted by: EvilYoda
Another thing I'm not quite sure about, is that I've read numerous times about how to avoid dairy - I'm not going to, but I'm curious to know the reasoning behind it. I like milk, cheese, etc.
Where did you read this? If it was on the CF messageboards, then it might have been an argument from people on the paleo diet. The idea behind this diet is to try to eat only foods that our Paleolithic ancestors had access to. Since the paleolithic era predates agriculture, this means no dairy products. Apparently, this diet also discourages eating legumes (including peanuts!), processed oils, and alcohol. I'm all in favor of eating whole foods and cutting back on processed goods, but IMO, some of these restrictions are just impractical nowadays. Hell, I wouldn't have much left to eat if I removed all that :)

Moreover, I don't agree with the premise of the paleo diet: just because it wasn't available in paleolithic times doesn't mean it's bad for us. I mean how far do you take it? Toothpaste and soap also weren't available then... I also don't think that gives the human body enough credit in its ability to handle a wide variety of foods. In fact, I think Michael Pollan stated it pretty well: the human being has been able to live a healthy lifestyle eating an extremely wide variety of diets. Not only during the paleolithic era, but even over the last 10,000 years, people have managed to avoid the "Western Diseases" (obesity, diabetes, heart disease, many types of cancer, tooth decay) whether they ate tons of fat, tons of carbs, tons of animal products, or exclusively vegetarian. The only diet that we aren't well suited to seems to be the western diet with its copious quantities of highly processed foods. I think a "non western" diet is much more logically sound than the "paleo" diet, and a hell of a lot more practical to achieve.
 

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Ah...so it's more of a "just because it doesn't fit with Paleo" than any dietary/nutritional reason. Good, because it'll never happen to me. Whether it's milk in the morning or a beautiful block of cheese and wine on a date, I like me some cow juice. or goat, whatever.

I've read about the legume thing before too...I'll try an almond butter, but if it doesn't taste good, I'm sticking with peanut.
 

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Originally posted by: EvilYoda
Ah...so it's more of a "just because it doesn't fit with Paleo" than any dietary/nutritional reason. Good, because it'll never happen to me. Whether it's milk in the morning or a beautiful block of cheese and wine on a date, I like me some cow juice. or goat, whatever.

I've read about the legume thing before too...I'll try an almond butter, but if it doesn't taste good, I'm sticking with peanut.

Honestly, I'm skeptical that milk products or legumes would do any harm, especially if they are prepared with minimum processing. That is, stay away from Cheese Wiz and try to get all natural peanut butter (ingredients: peanuts) and I think you'll be just fine.
 

EvilYoda

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Well this is interesting...I have this CostCo organic peanut butter that I always use - I just assumed that it had some added stuff, but under ingredients: "dry roasted organic peanuts and salt".

Awesome :D
 

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Haven't written in this thread for a while, so thought I'd post a small update. I'm still going strong with this diet experiment and am loving it more all the time. I've found that eating only whole foods - rather than premade processed junk - has given my gf and I the incentive to start experimenting with all sorts of new foods. We've started eating fruit as parts of meals (rather than snacks or dessert), have made lots of delicious salads, and have started using a bunch of ingredients that did not used to be part of our normal cooking. Some of the new items on my shopping list have been papayas, mangoes, pineapples, avocados, beets, butternut squash, spinach, bean sprouts, and more. We've also learned to prepare some new meat dishes, including mouth watering pork chops with home made apple sauce (makes me drool just thinking about it), salmon and haddock. Of course, some of the new stuff has worked out poorly, but most has worked out well, and a few items have become new favorites. It's a lot of fun and the variety has definitely improved our enjoyment of cooking & dinner.

My bodyweight has remained roughly constant - was 184.0 as of last weighing - with no real measuring of calories or portions. I guess I am still eyeballing Zone portions to ensure I get a reasonable amount of carbs, fat & protein at each meal, but I love being able to keep a healthy diet without anal retentive weighing & measuring. As for performance, my workout journal shows a pretty clear picture: since my last post in this thread some ~3 weeks ago, I've set PR's on 8 more workouts, including Murph, the Filthy Fifty, Nate, a 10K run, and Fight Gone Bad. I get the impression that my body is recovering from CF workouts better than ever before, so I've slowly been upping the volume in various ways: more heavy lifting with short metcons, more skill work, more deadlift volume, and more GTG work (except the last 1.5 weeks because I've been too insanely busy at work). I'm seeing no negative effects from all this, so I'm as happy as can be :)