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Bribery's Legal Again

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pcgeek11 said:
I think that college debts are a contract that the person entered into and they should pay their debts as promised. The debt cancellation is just passing on the debt to taxpayers.

Granted not taxing tips would have to be well thought out and defined to prevent fraud.

I think that the overall tip process is bull shit and should be illegal. By this I mean where an employer pays his staff a bare minimum and then they have to make up the difference with tips. The employer should be made to pay at least the minimum wage and preferably a living wage for the area.
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You've voted for the party that gives rich people and companies subsidies all the damn time, and this is where you draw the line? It's sickening. Anything for the common man bad, anything for the rich, great! And don't tell me 'you don't support that', because you vote for the party that does it.

Not to mention for the vast majority of those studen loans that were going to be forgiven, they'd already paid the actual loan amount multiple times over, so the only thing being forgiven is additional interest profit.
 
My wife paid almost $35,000 in Federal taxes...last year alone. Her degree and income provided by her career more than pays for her loan in terms of paying back her federal debt.
 
Student loan forgiveness makes financial sense from a governmental standpoint due to the multiplier effect it has on the economy. If borrowers no longer have a payment, that money is more likely to be spent on the economy which gets spent AND taxed multiple times, more than offsetting any revenue lost from loan forgiveness.
 
ivwshane said:
Student loan forgiveness makes financial sense from a governmental standpoint due to the multiplier effect it has on the economy. If borrowers no longer have a payment, that money is more likely to be spent on the economy which gets spent AND taxed multiple times, more than offsetting any revenue lost from loan forgiveness.
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I mean loan forgiveness is essentially fiscal stimulus but given relatively high interest rates and extremely low unemployment it’s probably not doing much right now.
 
KMFJD said:
~The final SCOTUS decision today is Snyder v. US. Kavanaugh has the court's 6-3 decision on ideological grounds, holding that the Section 666 bribery statute does not apply to "gratuities" given for public officials' *past* acts. Jackson writes the liberals' dissent.

~The mayor of Portage, Indiana, steered over $1 million in city contracts to a truck dealership, which then wrote him a $13,000 check. The conservatives on SCOTUS—with extensive experience in being lavished with gifts after favorable rulings—say this is very legal and very cool.



Just make sure to bribe them after the deed is done though, strange technicality
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So now we really will get the government we pay for.
 
APU_Fusion said:
And was it the “conservatives” or the “liberals” on the Supreme Court that made this ruling? Give me straight answer with no other commentary. If you have the guts.
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For a while I was confused as to why conservatives on SCOTUS wanted to make bribing government officials easier. Thomas and Alito were very helpful in clearing that up.
 
fskimospy said:
For a while I was confused as to why conservatives on SCOTUS wanted to make bribing government officials easier. Thomas and Alito were very helpful in clearing that up.
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The only problem is you have to trust that the crooks you're doing business with won't be crooks when it comes time to pay up. An honest criminal isn't all that common.

Edit: I thought speaking engagements were the accepted form of receiving a payoff? Book deals seem to be incredibly lucrative as well.
 
ivwshane said:
What a fucking stupid comment. Will Biden be checking in on the owners of the student debt he’s excused to make sure they vote for him? No? Then how is it a bribe you fucking ignorant piece of shit?
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The question I have is, you know its a piece of shit, but you chose to step in it and then smear it all over?
 
Greenman said:
The only problem is you have to trust that the crooks you're doing business with won't be crooks when it comes time to pay up. An honest criminal isn't all that common.
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To some extent, maybe, and to an extent that seems to have happened here. (Guy asked for $15k and they gave him $13k)
Greenman said:
Edit: I thought speaking engagements were the accepted form of receiving a payoff? Book deals seem to be incredibly lucrative as well.
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Speaking engagements are definitely a way for former officials to cash in. Book deals not so much as if you’re famous enough for one to make sense you can get a book deal regardless. The primary scummy book deal thing that happens is politicians write a book and then have their own campaign buy it so they can claim to have a best seller.

People tried to use book deals to deflect when Thomas’ corruption was exposed but that’s not really how it works. Like, a Supreme Court justice would merit a book deal regardless of how they ruled. The gravy train for Thomas is very much dependent on him continuing to rule in ways conservatives like. If he ever stopped all those ‘gifts’ would dry up and right quick.
 
ivwshane said:
Student loan forgiveness makes financial sense from a governmental standpoint due to the multiplier effect it has on the economy. If borrowers no longer have a payment, that money is more likely to be spent on the economy which gets spent AND taxed multiple times, more than offsetting any revenue lost from loan forgiveness.
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Not to mention bailing out the lenders when people can't afford to pay back the loans (because the financial industry fucked everything up, like in 2008). It would probably be cheaper for the government to just fucking pay for people's education directly.
 
fskimospy said:
To some extent, maybe, and to an extent that seems to have happened here. (Guy asked for $15k and they gave him $13k)

Speaking engagements are definitely a way for former officials to cash in. Book deals not so much as if you’re famous enough for one to make sense you can get a book deal regardless. The primary scummy book deal thing that happens is politicians write a book and then have their own campaign buy it so they can claim to have a best seller.

People tried to use book deals to deflect when Thomas’ corruption was exposed but that’s not really how it works. Like, a Supreme Court justice would merit a book deal regardless of how they ruled. The gravy train for Thomas is very much dependent on him continuing to rule in ways conservatives like. If he ever stopped all those ‘gifts’ would dry up and right quick.
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It was my understanding that pretty much every supreme court justice got a reasonably lucrative book deal? I could be wrong, I haven't looked into it in some time.
 
Greenman said:
It was my understanding that pretty much every supreme court justice got a reasonably lucrative book deal? I could be wrong, I haven't looked into it in some time.
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Right, but there is an actual market for books by SCOTUS justices that exists no matter how they rule in cases. Thomas and Alito have to continue ruling in ways conservatives like in order to keep the money coming in.
 
pcgeek11 said:
No, I am not OK with it.
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Of course you aren't. Except you're a lifelong voter for the most cartoonishly corrupt party in this country. I mean the Democrats have their corruption without a doubt, But the Republicans Have been the cartoonishly corrupt party for quite some time now.

Again your words are meaningless.
 
Conservatives will always deny there is any benefit to making education easier and more accessible. They are too short sighted to see that while there are some who inevitably squander such chances, there will be enough that takes advantage of it that we can produce the next Shakespeare or Einstein.

Instead, they're hard at work producing the next 12 year old molesting spiritual advisor to a non-religious president.
 
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