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Brian & Anand Hate SD Card's in Phones

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Nope, works for me here in the UK.

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not for me. how hard can it be to add that as an option ffs?!
 
Aren't all buttons by definition, touch sensitive?

No, because it isn't the touch that activated the function. For traditional buttons it is the physical connection of conductive circuits inside a moving mechanism that is "sensed."

Do I really need to explain this?
 
I finally started putting some 1080p videos on my 1080p Samsung Galaxy Note 3 with 32GB internal, 32GB expanded storage.

At first I considered transferring them to the internal storage using USB 3.0 for faster transfer speeds, but then I realized that even two feature-length HD movies would use up all or nearly all of the free space left and I'd have no room left for new apps (phone is still very new; have not put many apps on at all). I threw them on the 32GB microSD card instead and transferred over a few other things but, minutes later, I filled that up along with the internal storage and I still have hardly anything to watch!

I intended to load a ton of SD DVD and BD rips (House, Harvey Birdman Attorney at Law, Venture Brothers, The Walking Dead, Game of Thrones) but that isn't happening without expandable memory.

Don't tell me that "the cloud" is the answer for accessing a library of 1080p videos on my phone even though I am a grandfathered AT&T Unlimited Data customer.

USB to Go cables with host devices that support external USB mass-storage devices aren't a solution either. They are fragile/delicate, unweildy, and completely defeat the purpose of having this content on a portable device. Even if I only use it to transfer on/off internal storage, the whole argument against SD cards being too complex goes right out the window. They certainly aren't as complex as involving multiple devices, accessories, and power sources just to get the same divided filesystem they wanted to avoid in the first place.
 
So you are saying that even with expandable mSD card, there is still not enough space for all the movies and shows you want to carry,

Are you using mp4 format or mkv? I use mp4 on the go and 1080p mkv for home theater use. Big difference in file size.
 
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So you are saying that even with expandable mSD card, there is still not enough space for all the movies and shows you want to carry,

Are you using mp4 format or mkv? I use mp4 on the go and 1080p mkv for home theater use. Big difference in file size.

mkv is just a container so mkv or mp4 is irrevelant in file size. one isn't significantly better than the other. it's down to the compression settings/res
 
So you are saying that even with expandable mSD card, there is still not enough space for all the movies and shows you want to carry,

Are you using mp4 format or mkv? I use mp4 on the go and 1080p mkv for home theater use. Big difference in file size.


Not exactly...

If you want to put HD movies on your phone you need a lot of storage and even 64GB is limiting particularly since a good amount is used up by system overhead, applications, and other data like music and pictures.

The business models most phone makers operate under and the one the carriers are happiest with is to offer a base model with limited storage, 8GB or 16GB, and then offer higher end models with moderately more storage at a high premium price, but even the higher models have, at best, 64GB.

The carriers would prefer the phones NOT have uSD because that limits there ability to make premium money selling the higher end models. Last year the HTC release the HTC J Butterfly in Japan and it had uSD storage, but when the comparable model was made available in the USA they'd removed the uSD slot and you can bet that was at the demand of the carriers.

Anyone that argues uSD should go away are, in effect, carrying the water of the carriers...

Down the road there will be many, like myself, that will want TB's of storage in our phones. Right now my laptop has a 1TB storage drive in addition to the 256GB SSD OS/app drive but it only has about 30GB free space now and I'm hoping to replace it with a 2TB drive ASAP. What do I have in that 1TB drive -- noting but the digital pictures I've produced with my digital cameras and old slides that have been scanned in, but my current camera, the Nikon D800E, eats up about 50MB pr picture and I average about 5000-1000 picture per year.

Can you imagine trying to to stream that amount of data from the cloud? Can you imagine how much it would cost to do so?

I want as much storage as I can get and many others do as well -- you're welcome to a phone that's frozen at 16GB or 32GB or 64GB and you're also welcome to spend hundreds more per month on data charges so you can manage without storage, I'll spend MUCH less for storage and get MUCH more out of it...


Brian
 
So you are saying that even with expandable mSD card, there is still not enough space for all the movies and shows you want to carry,

Are you using mp4 format or mkv? I use mp4 on the go and 1080p mkv for home theater use. Big difference in file size.

No. I'm saying that even with a large amount of internal storage (32GB) I still had to buy more to have what I wanted. I'm thankful to have that option and extremely appreciative. After the usual apps and gallery photos/videos (no, I wasn't recording at 4K), even a couple 1080p BD rips was enough to fill the remainder of my internal storage after a few apps, gallery items, and albums. In the short time I've had it I have hardly put any apps on it other than PayPal, eBay, Chase, BofA, Shazam, Pandora, Tapatalk, etc. I did put Shadowgun, Riptide GP, and Shine Runner on it but their downloaded game data will be moved to the SD card if it isn't already.

As for the file size, they are quick and dirty Handbrake + AnyDVD HD rips. The whole point is to make converting them for your mobile device fast and easy, so multi-pass encoding for lower bitrates and minimal file sizes is not encouraged.
 
BTW, the current SD spec, SDXC, is designed to handle up to 2TB so if the phone had a uSDXC compliant slot it would be capable of adding 2TB when such cards are available. I don't think we'll be seeing 2TB uSDXC cards anytime soon, but 512GB is perhaps a couple years away. The UHS-I cards are capable of 50MB/sec-104MB/sec whereas the UHS-II cards are spec'd at 156MB/sec-312MB/sec so they're not slow...


Brian
 
No. I'm saying that even with a large amount of internal storage (32GB) I still had to buy more to have what I wanted. I'm thankful to have that option and extremely appreciative. After the usual apps and gallery photos/videos (no, I wasn't recording at 4K), even a couple 1080p BD rips was enough to fill the remainder of my internal storage after a few apps, gallery items, and albums. In the short time I've had it I have hardly put any apps on it other than PayPal, eBay, Chase, BofA, Shazam, Pandora, Tapatalk, etc. I did put Shadowgun, Riptide GP, and Shine Runner on it but their downloaded game data will be moved to the SD card if it isn't already.

As for the file size, they are quick and dirty Handbrake + AnyDVD HD rips. The whole point is to make converting them for your mobile device fast and easy, so multi-pass encoding for lower bitrates and minimal file sizes is not encouraged.

Why are you still arguing with a troll? Use some sense dammit.
 
Not exactly...

If you want to put HD movies on your phone you need a lot of storage and even 64GB is limiting particularly since a good amount is used up by system overhead, applications, and other data like music and pictures.

The business models most phone makers operate under and the one the carriers are happiest with is to offer a base model with limited storage, 8GB or 16GB, and then offer higher end models with moderately more storage at a high premium price, but even the higher models have, at best, 64GB.

The carriers would prefer the phones NOT have uSD because that limits there ability to make premium money selling the higher end models. Last year the HTC release the HTC J Butterfly in Japan and it had uSD storage, but when the comparable model was made available in the USA they'd removed the uSD slot and you can bet that was at the demand of the carriers.

Anyone that argues uSD should go away are, in effect, carrying the water of the carriers...

Down the road there will be many, like myself, that will want TB's of storage in our phones. Right now my laptop has a 1TB storage drive in addition to the 256GB SSD OS/app drive but it only has about 30GB free space now and I'm hoping to replace it with a 2TB drive ASAP. What do I have in that 1TB drive -- noting but the digital pictures I've produced with my digital cameras and old slides that have been scanned in, but my current camera, the Nikon D800E, eats up about 50MB pr picture and I average about 5000-1000 picture per year.

Can you imagine trying to to stream that amount of data from the cloud? Can you imagine how much it would cost to do so?

I want as much storage as I can get and many others do as well -- you're welcome to a phone that's frozen at 16GB or 32GB or 64GB and you're also welcome to spend hundreds more per month on data charges so you can manage without storage, I'll spend MUCH less for storage and get MUCH more out of it...


Brian

There's no reason to have every photo and every movie ever made in your pocket.
 
There's no reason to have every photo and every movie ever made in your pocket.

Nor is that possible. I have only 1600 movies (so not all ever made)and that fills over 12Tb. I don't think that a phone can hold that much in the next 15 years.

Now, it would be nice to carry with me the most recent 10 or so of my hundreds of movies, but that would take a 128GB phone or re-encoding.
 
There's no reason to have every photo and every movie ever made in your pocket.

Why?

Why not?

I should mention that I also have about 600GB of my own video that I'd like to have with me as well as about 20GB of music.

I don't demand that you bring all your pictures with you, why should you tell me what pictures I can and can't take with me?

I have about 200 DVD's and about 125 Bluray disks in my home collection and it would be nice to take some of them with me when I'm away from home which is 80% of the time -- why should I be denied the use of my own movies when I'm away from home? Should I be required to buy the movies from the hotel? If so, why should I be required to pay for something I already paid for?

It never ceases to amaze me how many folks demand others operate the way they do. If streaming from the cloud works for you and you can afford paying for huge overages when you stream a few HD movies, more power to ya, but I'd prefer to keep my money and not give it to the carriers -- OK!


Brian
 
...I have about 200 DVD's and about 125 Bluray disks in my home collection and it would be nice to take some of them with me when I'm away from home which is 80% of the time -- why should I be denied the use of my own movies when I'm away from home?...
A tad on the melodramatic side, but ok... So you're away from home 80% of your life and a microSD card in your phone is your ticket to happiness, or at least constant entertainment? I wish my life were that simple.
 
A tad on the melodramatic side, but ok... So you're away from home 80% of your life and a microSD card in your phone is your ticket to happiness, or at least constant entertainment? I wish my life were that simple.


A tad on the simplistic side, but OK...


My life doesn't revolve around what's on my uSD card and never will. But, since I AM on the road about 80% of the time I do like the option (read that as option) to have movies that I've already paid for.

Beyond that, I have the still images, music, apps and other data that eat up storage.

My life isn't as simple as your opinion!

You're free to do as you please, I wish the same for me -- OK!


Brian
 
If I am on the road 80% of the time, I would pay a little more for Verizon unlimited data instead. I am on the road only 20% of the time and I convinced my employer to pay for unlimited data. Heck Verizon LTE is often faster and more reliable than Hilton's in room WiFii. mSD is not a solution.

Outside of US is another story.
 
If I am on the road 80% of the time, I would pay a little more for Verizon unlimited data instead. I am on the road only 20% of the time and I convinced my employer to pay for unlimited data. Heck Verizon LTE is often faster and more reliable than Hilton's in room WiFii. mSD is not a solution.

Outside of US is another story.

Can you even get an unlimited plan on Verizon anymore?
 
You would have to assume liability from someone who is selling their account. I think they range from $200-$300. For frequent travelers, thats minimal fee for enormous benefits. Tether all day and stream all day without consequence.
 
...I was just startled by the passion in your post.
I guess it's the same as how I'm surprised by the passion that people seem to be arguing in favor of lesser technology and (as charged) carrying water for the service providers.

It's not like these devices cost nothing. I don't get why I'd want to argue for paying x amount for a device limited to 16 or 32GB vs. x amount for 64GB, 96GB or even greater capacity.

If you don't need "so much space" (and really, anything less than 500GB to 1TB is a pittance these days) then don't use it. But I just don't get arguments against it, like "why would you want a bunch of movies with you?" That's just a silly question. Why would I want a bunch of games, music, movies, photos, books and apps with me? Maybe because that's what the hell these things were designed for in the first place?

It'd be one thing if all of this stuff wasn't today's reality, wasn't possible, or was prohibitively expensive, but I don't understand supposedly tech-minded people arguing in favor of artificial tech limitations that are driven by corporate profit motives more than what's technically feasible or not.
 
If I am on the road 80% of the time, I would pay a little more for Verizon unlimited data instead. I am on the road only 20% of the time and I convinced my employer to pay for unlimited data. Heck Verizon LTE is often faster and more reliable than Hilton's in room WiFii. mSD is not a solution.

Outside of US is another story.


Why, specifically, is uSD not an answer?


I don't have unlimited so how much would it cost me in overages if I accessed 50GB in a month from the cloud?


In the desert southwest where I live when I'm not on the road I'm frequently in areas with no cellular or very limited cellular -- what should I do there?


Brian
 
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