Brett Favre streak over at 297

[Tweak155]

Thats pretty amazing for a guy to get beat up for so long. But I still think he dragged it out too long.

 

[rasczak]

For this season, the punishment has been at the cost of the Vikings fans.

you can't lay all the blame on him. the vikings should have done more to provide the team with a quarterback. not tavaris jackson. they offered, he played. he gave the team the best chance to win week in and week out. a rash of injuries to the wr's didn't help at all. nor did the lack of protection (hence why he was so injured in the first place)

 

[surfsatwerk]

Thats pretty amazing for a guy to get beat up for so long. But I still think he dragged it out too long.

If I was lucky enough to get paid to play football they would have to drag me off the field, shoot me, or stop paying me to get me to quit.

 

[rasczak]

If I was lucky enough to get paid to play football they would have to drag me off the field, shoot me, or stop paying me to get me to quit.

:thumbsup:

 

[Homerboy]

Favre's streak is/was amazing. No question about that. I'm glad the bulk of it was in the Green and Gold.

One streak that doesn't get much mention is A.C. Green's in the NBA: He played in a 1192 straight NBA games. While not obviously as physically abusive as football, there are A LOT of opportunities to get hurt in the NBA. LOTS. To make it through 1192 games, especially when even a slight injury will bench you as there are usually able-bodies and talents backing you up (unlike a QB position where it is a HUGE drop off and has a HUGE affect on the game). AC's record is crazy.

The question is, is Peyton going to break Favres? He's got a very good chance since he is a pocket passer (unlike Favre making his streak even crazier).

 

[rasczak]

Favre's streak is/was amazing. No question about that. I'm glad the bulk of it was in the Green and Gold.

One streak that doesn't get much mention is A.C. Green's in the NBA: He played in a 1192 straight NBA games. While not obviously as physically abusive as football, there are A LOT of opportunities to get hurt in the NBA. LOTS. To make it through 1192 games, especially when even a slight injury will bench you as there are usually able-bodies and talents backing you up (unlike a QB position where it is a HUGE drop off and has a HUGE affect on the game). AC's record is crazy.

The question is, is Peyton going to break Favres? He's got a very good chance since he is a pocket passer (unlike Favre making his streak even crazier).

I agree. A.C. Green's streak will never be matched in the NBA. I personally doubt that Peyton will be able to make it 9 more years and get close to that number of regular season games streak, let alone the 321 games in a row if you count ALL of the playoff games Favre had played in as well.

 

[fatpat268]

I agree. A.C. Green's streak will never be matched in the NBA. I personally doubt that Peyton will be able to make it 9 more years and get close to that number of regular season games streak, let alone the 321 games in a row if you count ALL of the playoff games Favre had played in as well.

It should take Peyton 5 1/2 seasons to approach Favre's record.

 

[BeauJangles]

I LOL at all the Favre haters...YES, I agree, he SHOULD have retired at the end of last season...but money talks...and he was persuaded to come back...again.
Do you blame him? Would any of us REALLY turn down $16,000,000 to play football...just one more season?

I'm not an athlete, I'm all busted up, and IF I finished the season, I'd probably be in a wheelchair...but for $16 million? I'd damned sure give it a go. (just as long as I didn't have to win to collect)

The guy's been a pretty amazing quarterback over the years...

(from wikipedia)
"He holds many NFL records, including most career touchdown passes, most career passing yards, most career pass completions, most career pass attempts, most career interceptions thrown, most starts, most consecutive starts, most consecutive starts by a QB, most career victories as a starting quarterback, most sacked, and most fumbles."

He was a "give it all you've got" quarterback for almost 20 years. Not many (if any) other football players can come close to matching the things he did in his career.

Oh please, on the whole Brett Favre has been mediocre for the last several years and has been downright awful in almost every big game he's played in. According to ESPN that doesn't really matter though because he's "just a kid having fun out there." I'm glad the ESPN Legend of Favre Series will take a nice five-year hiatus after this season.

edit: That being said, Favre's streak is amazing.

 

[PimpJuice]

How does he hold the record for most consecutive starts.

Jeff Feagles - Most consecutive games played, career: 352

He was a punter, but still.......longer streak.

Here are a coupel more impressive streaks than Brett Favres:

Walter Payton (RB) - 170 straight games

Jim Marshall (DE) - 270 straight games.

 

[AstroManLuca]

How can you say he's an amazing QB? He holds the record for most INTs and fumbles. Isn't it obvious he's just a mediocre QB who's gotten to play for a really long time? He started out good but fell to average at the end of his time in GB and has just been bad ever since, save for last season. It all averages out to a mediocre career in the end.

You have no clue what you're talking about.

Sure, his records for passing yards, TD passes, etc. are largely thanks to longevity. Play the game for 20 years and of course you'll get a bunch of records. Including INTs and fumbles.

But there's more than raw numbers. With Favre as starting quarterback, the Packers had 14 (out of 17) winning seasons, 11 playoff appearances, 2 Super Bowl appearances, and 1 Super Bowl win. He also had a hell of a season with the Jets in 2008 until he hurt his biceps, and obviously last year in Minnesota went pretty well too.

He continued to play at a very high level throughout his 30s and into his 40s. Only in the second half of the 2008 season and obviously this season has he really shown his age.

You cannot argue that Brett Favre is a mediocre QB who just stuck around for a long time. Sure, he sucks right now, but anyone would with the injuries he has. If he truly was mediocre, he'd have been farmed out as someone's backup years ago.

How does he hold the record for most consecutive starts.

Jeff Feagles - Most consecutive games played, career: 352

He was a punter, but still.......longer streak.

Here are a coupel more impressive streaks than Brett Favres:

Walter Payton (RB) - 170 straight games

Jim Marshall (DE) - 270 straight games.

Special teams players are not considered "starters." They get a lot less playing time than offensive or defensive players, but Feagles' streak is still impressive.

Payton and Marshall's streaks are too, but Favre still holds the record.

 

[fatpat268]

How can you say he's an amazing QB? He holds the record for most INTs and fumbles. Isn't it obvious he's just a mediocre QB who's gotten to play for a really long time? He started out good but fell to average at the end of his time in GB and has just been bad ever since, save for last season. It all averages out to a mediocre career in the end.

More often than not, his team had a winning record.

 

[edro]

For this season, the punishment has been at the cost of the Vikings fans.

The ultimate revenge on a career long rival?

 

[geno]

You have no clue what you're talking about.

Sure, his records for passing yards, TD passes, etc. are largely thanks to longevity. Play the game for 20 years and of course you'll get a bunch of records. Including INTs and fumbles.

But the problem is how many INTs and fumbles he has in relation to TD's. 507 career TD's to 335 INTs and 111 fumbles...8 seasons he's turned the ball over more than he threw touchdowns. Overall, he's turned the ball over 446 times versus 507 TDs....that's not a good ratio. A great QB accumulates much more of one than the others. That's 1.13 TD's per turnover, and that's including his "good" years earlier on in his career. I picked a random nobody, Chad Pennington, and he's thrown 1.10 TD's per turnover. Hey, if mediocre Chad Pennington plays long enough at that pace, he can be as good as Brett Favre :awe: My point is, this is just one dimension in which it's obvious Favre should have thrown in the towel long ago. If someone plays long enough, they're going to rack up many records, but the fact he holds records for both the most INTs AND fumbles just goes to show what his legacy is made of.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

nice streak, but someone should have had the balls to end it earlier

 

[AstroManLuca]

But the problem is how many INTs and fumbles he has in relation to TD's. 507 career TD's to 335 INTs and 111 fumbles...8 seasons he's turned the ball over more than he threw touchdowns. Overall, he's turned the ball over 446 times versus 507 TDs....that's not a good ratio. A great QB accumulates much more of one than the others. That's 1.13 TD's per turnover, and that's including his "good" years earlier on in his career. I picked a random nobody, Chad Pennington, and he's thrown 1.10 TD's per turnover. Hey, if mediocre Chad Pennington plays long enough at that pace, he can be as good as Brett Favre :awe: My point is, this is just one dimension in which it's obvious Favre should have thrown in the towel long ago. If someone plays long enough, they're going to rack up many records, but the fact he holds records for both the most INTs AND fumbles just goes to show what his legacy is made of.

I see your point. However, I'd counter that stats are also just one angle you can use to assess a player. Sure, Favre's TD : INT ratio is nothing special, but that doesn't disqualify him from being a great player.

Another angle is results. And they speak for themselves. The Packers were a good, often great team with Favre in the lead. He may have been a risk-taking gunslinger but that paid off in many cases. Before this year, he led a lot of game-winning drives. Now he's more likely to lead a final drive ending in a game-losing interception, but I'm talking about when he was in his prime.

His longevity is another factor. It's not just sticking around that's important, it's playing through injuries, and continuing to play well for a long time. Yes, there have been other 40-year-old QBs, but they're usually backups who get a handful of snaps per season.

I'm not arguing he's the best of all time, but he definitely was a good quarterback, far above mediocre.

 

[zinfamous]

Oh please, on the whole Brett Favre has been mediocre for the last several years and has been downright awful in almost every big game he's played in.

It seems that you were asleep during the duration of last year's NFL season.

 

[zinfamous]

How does he hold the record for most consecutive starts.

Jeff Feagles - Most consecutive games played, career: 352

He was a punter, but still.......longer streak.

Here are a coupel more impressive streaks than Brett Favres:

Walter Payton (RB) - 170 straight games

Jim Marshall (DE) - 270 straight games.

You know who cares about punters?

nobody, that's who.


Payton and Marshall, at their positions, is certainly amazing.

 

[BoomerD]

I see your point. However, I'd counter that stats are also just one angle you can use to assess a player. Sure, Favre's TD : INT ratio is nothing special, but that doesn't disqualify him from being a great player.

Another angle is results. And they speak for themselves. The Packers were a good, often great team with Favre in the lead. He may have been a risk-taking gunslinger but that paid off in many cases. Before this year, he led a lot of game-winning drives. Now he's more likely to lead a final drive ending in a game-losing interception, but I'm talking about when he was in his prime.

His longevity is another factor. It's not just sticking around that's important, it's playing through injuries, and continuing to play well for a long time. Yes, there have been other 40-year-old QBs, but they're usually backups who get a handful of snaps per season.

I'm not arguing he's the best of all time, but he definitely was a good quarterback, far above mediocre.

Agreed...not the best quarterback in the history of the game, but definitely far above average.

 

[BeauJangles]

You have no clue what you're talking about.

Sure, his records for passing yards, TD passes, etc. are largely thanks to longevity. Play the game for 20 years and of course you'll get a bunch of records. Including INTs and fumbles.

But there's more than raw numbers. With Favre as starting quarterback, the Packers had 14 (out of 17) winning seasons, 11 playoff appearances, 2 Super Bowl appearances, and 1 Super Bowl win. He also had a hell of a season with the Jets in 2008 until he hurt his biceps, and obviously last year in Minnesota went pretty well too.

He continued to play at a very high level throughout his 30s and into his 40s. Only in the second half of the 2008 season and obviously this season has he really shown his age.

You cannot argue that Brett Favre is a mediocre QB who just stuck around for a long time. Sure, he sucks right now, but anyone would with the injuries he has. If he truly was mediocre, he'd have been farmed out as someone's backup years ago.

Favre has thrown up some gaudy numbers, but he's been a miserable big-game quarterback. His successes in the last decade are anomalies among the wasteland of poor performance and game-changing INTs.

Jan 20, 2002 - 12-4 Packers lose in divisional round to Rams, behind Favre's six interceptions.

Jan 4, 2003 - 12-4 Packers lose, at home, to the 9-6 Falcons. Favre posts a 54.4 rating behind a 1 td, 2 int performance. Oh, he lost two fumbles too.

Jan 11, 2004 - Packers need one drive in OT to get to the Super Bowl (sound familiar?). Favre throws a pick, setting up an easy win for the Eagles.

Jan 5, 2005 - Favre throws 4 INTs (first 4 INT game in two years I think) against the 8-8 Vikings, taking the 10-6 Packers.

Jan 20, 2008 - Favre melts down in the fourth quarter and overtime, going 4-10 for 32 yards with 2 INTs. The second INT led to the gaming-winning field goal.

2008 Season -- Favre melts down in the second half of the season throwing 2 TDs against 8 INTs, after starting 8-3.

Jan 24, 2010 -- We all remember what happened. Needing 5 yards for the game-winning attempt, Favre throws a pick and the Saints win it.

He might have been injured in 2008, but there is a pattern here -- Favre is at best unreliable in big games and, at worst, is a liability for his team. Lets not forget that he's always been careless with the football (poor 1.66 TD / INT ratio) and, while he's been a general efficient passer (7.1 YPA), his high number of turnovers (on top of his INTs, he's lost 124 fumbles in his career) and the fact that there many equally as efficient passers out there who turn the ball over less make him less valuable than he would be otherwise.

He's had his moments, I'm not going to argue that, but I do think that his legend has helped iron out a lot of the rough spots in his career.