Breaking: Ted Stevens found guilty

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jman19

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Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Hopefully Ted can share a cell with Charlie Rangel

:shocked:

Hopefully. Get these turds out of congress :thumbsup:
 

Aegeon

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Why does anyone think this seat will go to a Democrat? Alaska is very Republican. When the previous governor was tossed out in a scandal, he was replaced with Republican Palin. Republican Palin, who has nearly 60% disapproval nationally, has the highest approval of any governor from her Republican state. I don't see any reason to expect Alaska to elect a Democrat. Maybe they will, but why would they when they are so far Republican?
The Democratic candidate Mark Begich was leading in most of the general polling BEFORE the verdict. Palin's approval rating dropped substancially in a fairly recent poll, so I believe the claim she is the most popular governor is already outdated, and I suspect its more like 50% after the Troopergate revelations and the like. (The last poll came in before those pieces of news.)
 

techs

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Originally posted by: Aegeon
Originally posted by: Craig234
Why does anyone think this seat will go to a Democrat? Alaska is very Republican. When the previous governor was tossed out in a scandal, he was replaced with Republican Palin. Republican Palin, who has nearly 60% disapproval nationally, has the highest approval of any governor from her Republican state. I don't see any reason to expect Alaska to elect a Democrat. Maybe they will, but why would they when they are so far Republican?
The Democratic candidate Mark Begich was leading in most of the general polling BEFORE the verdict. Palin's approval rating dropped substancially in a fairly recent poll, so I believe the claim she is the most popular governor is already outdated, and I suspect its more like 50% after the Troopergate revelations and the like. (The last poll came in before those pieces of news.)

hehe. notice how Republicans only believe in polls when its to their advantage


 

smashp

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Once he gets to Prison, He is going to be worring about a whole new series of tubes
 

Aegeon

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Originally posted by: Zedtom
Can he resign now and let Sarah Palin appoint herself as his replacement? Then she could put herself on the ballot for Alaska senator and tell McCain that she just can't pass up an opportunity like this? Then Romney or Huckabee could rush in to replace her on the VP ticket. Then Bush could ask for a thirty day delay in the elections to give both sides an equal chance.

*Zedtom puts on tinfoil hat and runs for cover*
Seriously basically no.

Ted Stevens is on the ballot at this point period, and some voters have already sent in mail in ballots. (If they marked Ted Stevens the Republicans can't just have that vote switch to another Republican candidate.)

Basically a Republican could try to run as a write in, but its extremely unlikely that they could sucessfully win. (Someone Republicans are going to get confused and still check Ted Steven's name on the ballot, or write in the wrong candidate by mistake.)

I believe Palin could appoint someone for an up to 60 day period to the Senate, but they wouldn't do much period before their term was quickly over and Mark Begich gets sworn into office.
(I will skip addressing the sillier aspects of the question.)
 

fallout man

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Originally posted by: smashp
Once he gets to Prison, He is going to be worring about a whole new series of tubes

The authorities won't put Ted anywhere near "Mario the Plumber." :laugh:

He'll end up in minimum security at worst.
 

nageov3t

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an Alaskan senator convicted? they'll probably throw him a parade.

good riddance, douchebag. stop sucking, Alaska.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Aegeon
Originally posted by: Craig234
Why does anyone think this seat will go to a Democrat? Alaska is very Republican. When the previous governor was tossed out in a scandal, he was replaced with Republican Palin. Republican Palin, who has nearly 60% disapproval nationally, has the highest approval of any governor from her Republican state. I don't see any reason to expect Alaska to elect a Democrat. Maybe they will, but why would they when they are so far Republican?
The Democratic candidate Mark Begich was leading in most of the general polling BEFORE the verdict. Palin's approval rating dropped substancially in a fairly recent poll, so I believe the claim she is the most popular governor is already outdated, and I suspect its more like 50% after the Troopergate revelations and the like. (The last poll came in before those pieces of news.)

Thank you for the info, I'm glad to hear a democrat has the lead there.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: techs
There is a God.

edit:
guilty on all seven counts according to cnn:
http://www.cnn.com/

It means nothing:

Despite being a convicted felon, he is not required to drop out of the race or resign from the Senate.

If he wins re-election, he can continue to hold his seat because there is no rule barring felons from serving in Congress.
 

Lemon law

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This is now pregnant with with what if scenarios. But its hard to believe sentencing is delayed until February/09.

Option 1, Stevens appeals the case.

Option 2, Stevens resigns. Allowing Pain to appoint herself his replacement on the ballot. Possibly resigning her certain to fail VP bid for a chance at Senator.

Option 3., Stevens appeals his conviction, keeps running for reelection, wins reelection, loses the appeal or pleas bargains to resign Senate seat, and Palin appoints herself his replacement after McCain fails to win POTUS on 11/4/08.

Option 4, Stevens appeals his convictions. keeps running for reelection, wins reelection, GWB grants him a pardon, but the Democratic Senate refuses to seat a convicted Felon. Or alternately they may seat him but deprive him of any committee assignments.

Option 5, Stevens appeals his conviction, keeps running for reelection, but his Democratic opponent wins.

Option 6, Stevens cuts a deal with the Prosecution, does not appeal, does not pass go, does not collect $200.00. But wins freedom at the price of resignation from the Senate.

Option 7, something else.

Only time will tell, but Stevens&sons corruption days are probably at an end. Justice delayed is justice denied, this should have happened years ago. But its an ill wind that blows no body any good. Who will benefit other than the people of the USA and the people of Alaska?
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: techs
There is a God.

edit:
guilty on all seven counts according to cnn:
http://www.cnn.com/

It means nothing:

Despite being a convicted felon, he is not required to drop out of the race or resign from the Senate.

If he wins re-election, he can continue to hold his seat because there is no rule barring felons from serving in Congress.

FWIW, I support that. I like to keep democracy above things that might be subverted for politics. If this changed, you would probably see an increase in 'phony' prosecutions.

Leave it to the voters to decide - and to be able to override the criminal justice system's action against the candidate if they want to.

My position isn't pro-felon - toss the guy out if he's bad. It's pro-protecting democracy from potential corruption by abuse of the criminal justice system.
 

Darwin333

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Sure doesn't help the Republican brand. :laugh:

This guy is going to actually get re-elected. Not that I am picking sides, I think they are all a bunch of crooks that just haven't gotten caught yet. Just pointing out that neither "brand" has a patent on corruption.
 

alien42

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Palin quote regarding Stevens from a year ago:

"I can't guess what that information would be, but I think I join others in wanting to know of the senator's innocence," Palin said.

"Right now, we are not hearing anything," she said. "We are going to give him the benefit of the doubt because that's appropriate, and that's deserved."

its nice to see her stick to her morals and give Barack Obama the benefit of the doubt, uhhh, ummm, nevermind.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: alien42
Palin quote regarding Stevens from a year ago:

"I can't guess what that information would be, but I think I join others in wanting to know of the senator's innocence," Palin said.

"Right now, we are not hearing anything," she said. "We are going to give him the benefit of the doubt because that's appropriate, and that's deserved."

its nice to see her stick to her morals and give Barack Obama the benefit of the doubt, uhhh, ummm, nevermind.

Now that he's convicted, the 'maverick' can't bring herself to say he should resign or evennot run for another term. Apparently there's a chance he'll be re-elected, so she's careful.
 

shira

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Originally posted by: fallout man
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
The $250,000 home remodel to nowhere!

He should have just said "Thanks, but NO THANKS," and kept the money.

That Ted Stevens is a real maverick.
 

shira

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Option 2, Stevens resigns. Allowing Pain to appoint herself his replacement on the ballot. Possibly resigning her certain to fail VP bid for a chance at Senator.
Aren't there no-later-than dates for ballot inclusion? If so, I have to believe that seven days before an election is way past the deadline. Also, to get on the ballot, doesn't the candidate need to get some minimum number of signatures on a petition?

Of course, Palin could always run as a write-in candidate . . . .

 

ProfJohn

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Actually... he is not yet considered a 'convicted' criminal. (According to the Fox News legal guy)

Apparently he doesn't earn that honor until he is sentenced. Therefore it is possible that he could win his seat, be sentenced and therefore resign his seat allow the Gov. to replace him.

The guy should be gone from office no matter what.
 

Aegeon

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Actually... he is not yet considered a 'convicted' criminal. (According to the Fox News legal guy)

Apparently he doesn't earn that honor until he is sentenced. Therefore it is possible that he could win his seat, be sentenced and therefore resign his seat allow the Gov. to replace him.

The guy should be gone from office no matter what.
The Governor could merely appoint a temperary replacement under such circumstances until a special election is held.

The rules used to be otherwise, but were recently changed after the last Governor appointed his daughter to the Senate seat when presented with such an opportunity.
 

seemingly random

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The seat should just be retired. Alaska doesn't need or deserve two senators anyways.

Or, give the seat to a more populated state.