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Breaking: Russian Special Forces moved lots of weapons

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Anybody who thinks this is something more than obfuscational FUD needs to visit this site, as well-

http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html

Sometimes I'm embarassed to live in a society where anybody would even have the chutzpah to publish stuff like this- anybody other than the Onion...

Hey buddy, wanna buy the Brooklyn bridge? how about some Arizona oceanfront? Or our latest, genetically engineered miniature flying pigs? They're so cute...
 
Originally posted by: DashRiprock
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Chadder007
Well its back now...
http://www.washingtontimes.com...41028-122637-6257r.htm
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Doesn't change the fact that it's based on pure conjecture.
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Wonder if the Pentagon will release any satellite photos showing any truck movement to and from the depot in the days before US troops arrival. :camera:
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Sure would be interesting. Especially considering this news:


EXCLUSIVE:
5 EYEWITNESS NEWS video may be linked to missing explosives in Iraq
http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S3723.html?cat=1
5 EYEWITNESS NEWS crew in Iraq shortly after the fall of Saddam Hussein was in the area where tons of explosives disappeared, and may have videotaped some of those weapons.

The missing explosives are now an issue in the presidential debate. Democratic candidate John Kerry is accusing President Bush of not securing the site they allegedly disappeared from. President Bush says no one knows if the ammunition was taken before or after the fall of Baghdad on April 9, 2003 when coalition troops moved in to the area.

Using GPS technology and talking with members of the 101st Airborne Division, 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS has determined the crew embedded with the troops may have been on the southern edge of the Al Qaqaa installation, where the ammunition disappeared. The news crew was based just south of Al Qaqaa, and drove two or three miles north of there with soldiers on April 18, 2003.

During that trip, members of the 101st Airborne Division showed the 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS news crew bunker after bunker of material labelled "explosives." Usually it took just the snap of a bolt cutter to get into the bunkers and see the material identified by the 101st as detonation cords.

"We can stick it in those and make some good bombs." a soldier told our crew.

There were what appeared to be fuses for bombs. They also found bags of material men from the 101st couldn't identify, but box after box was clearly marked "explosive."

In one bunker, there were boxes marked with the name "Al Qaqaa", the munitions plant where tons of explosives allegedly went missing.

Once the doors to the bunkers were opened, they weren't secured. They were left open when the 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS crew and the military went back to their base.

"We weren't quite sure what were looking at, but we saw so much of it and it didn't appear that this was being secured in any way," said photojournalist Joe Caffrey. "It was several miles away from where military people were staying in their tents".

Officers with the 101st Airborne told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS that the bunkers were within the U.S. military perimeter and protected. But Caffrey and former 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS Reporter Dean Staley, who spent three months together in Iraq, said Iraqis were coming and going freely.

"At one point there was a group of Iraqis driving around in a pick-up truck,"Staley said. "Three or four guys we kept an eye on, worried they might come near us."


On Wednesday, 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS e-mailed still images of the footage taken at the site to experts in Washington to see if the items captured on tape are the same kind of high explosives that went missing in Al Qaqaa. Those experts could not make that determination.

The footage is now in the hands of security experts to see if it is indeed the explosives in question.
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Video
http://kstp.dayport.com/viewer...page.php?Art_ID=159660
 
Originally posted by: villager
Originally posted by: Chadder007
Originally posted by: adlep
Originally posted by: Chadder007
Interesting.... Someone needs to verify that video.
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You sir got....
OWNED
Russians took it....
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHHA
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WTFDumb@ss....this video has yet to be proven.
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Put on that dress, put on that lipstick.Owned.
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Nice find of an ariticle pertaining to the other 400 THOUSAND tons that we have secured. :roll:
 
Originally posted by: villager

Put on that dress, put on that lipstick.Owned.
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That article pertains only to chemical and biological weapons - I fail to see the relevance. It says inspectors found "nothing" in the sense that there were no WMDs, but that hardly means the 1,100 buildings were empty. This story shows there clearly WERE explosives there, two weeks after the one you posted was written.
 
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: villager

Put on that dress, put on that lipstick.Owned.
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That article pertains only to chemical and biological weapons - I fail to see the relevance. It says inspectors found "nothing" in the sense that there were no WMDs, but that hardly means the 1,100 buildings were empty. This story shows there clearly WERE explosives there, two weeks after the one you posted was written.
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Col. John Peabody, engineer brigade commander of the 3rd Infantry Division, said troops found thousands of five-centimetre by 12-centimetre boxes, each containing three vials of white powder, together with documents written in Arabic that dealt with how to engage in chemical warfare.

A senior U.S. official familiar with initial testing said the powder was believed to be explosives. The finding would be consistent with the plant's stated production capabilities in the field of basic raw materials for explosives and propellants.
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RDX is an explosive nitramine compound. It is in the form of a white powder with a density of 1.806 g/cc. Nitrogen content of 37.84%. The chemical name for RDX is 1,3,5-trinitro-1,3,5-triazine. The chemical formula for RDX is C3H6N6O6 and the molecular weight is 222.117. Its melting point is 205°C. RDX has very low solubility in water and has an extremely low volatility. RDX does not sorb to soil very strongly and can move into the groundwater from soil. It can be broken down in air and water in a few hours, but breaks down more slowly in soil.

Just to make it clear.
 
Originally posted by: DonVito
Originally posted by: villager

Put on that dress, put on that lipstick.Owned.
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That article pertains only to chemical and biological weapons - I fail to see the relevance. It says inspectors found "nothing" in the sense that there were no WMDs, but that hardly means the 1,100 buildings were empty. This story shows there clearly WERE explosives there, two weeks after the one you posted was written.
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Considering it was a huge site containing large numbers of all types of ordnance it's no surprise that explosives were there.

Does the video show THE explosives that are reported missing now? I don't think anyone has answered that question yet. Unil there is further verification or proof, there is no ownership either way by anyone in here.

 
this whole topic of blaming the president for the explosives not being secured is stupid to begin with. if we are going to start blaming the president for this, we might as well start blaming him for mail getting lost or the garbage man not picking up the garbage on time. the fact of the matter is that there is a chain of command and securing this depot was decided at a much lower part of it then the president.
 
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Can we please keep the "owned" crap out of here. That garbage belongs in ATOT with the 3 year olds.

Please
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Agreed. This is not helpful at all. Frankly, this story has taken so many twists and turns that I find it hard to imagine anyone being "PWN3D," other than the people who adopt whatever happens to be the most recent development as gospel.
 
This is precious: Bush's Regime caught throwing blame on others and now their lies come back to haunt them.

How much more will it take for people to learn that Bush's Regime is a lying, tryannic junta that needs to be put to rest forEVER
 
Originally posted by: phillyTIM
This is precious: Bush's Regime caught throwing blame on others and now their lies come back to haunt them.

How much more will it take for people to learn that Bush's Regime is a lying, tryannic junta that needs to be put to rest forEVER
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Now someone in the Pentagon blamed the Russians. They must be hitting that pipe pretty hard in their final days.
 
Originally posted by: dahunan
This is probably the dumbest story in P&N yet.
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:shocked:

How on earth would the revelation that Russia may have deliberately and deviously moved arms out of Iraq be considered a dumb story? This should be the biggest news story we've had in months, unless something went way over my head.

Mr. Shaw, who was in charge of cataloging the tons of conventional arms provided to Iraq by foreign suppliers, said he recently obtained reliable information on the arms-dispersal program from two European intelligence services that have detailed knowledge of the Russian-Iraqi weapons collaboration.
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This is conjecture? 😕
 
Originally posted by: Stonewall
Originally posted by: dahunan
This is probably the dumbest story in P&N yet.
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:shocked:

How on earth would the revelation that Russia may have deliberately and deviously moved arms out of Iraq be considered a dumb story? This should be the biggest news story we've had in months, unless something went way over my head.

Mr. Shaw, who was in charge of cataloging the tons of conventional arms provided to Iraq by foreign suppliers, said he recently obtained reliable information on the arms-dispersal program from two European intelligence services that have detailed knowledge of the Russian-Iraqi weapons collaboration.
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This is conjecture? 😕
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No, its called 'pulling it out of your ass', because you don't know what else to blame it on.
Must Protect Bush - remember the 'Prime Objective'.

 
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