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Breaking: Obama "inclined" to support bailout

The only way Obama or McCain are going to vote against the bailout is if they are absolutely, 100%, dead positive that it will pass w/o their votes.
 
OH NOES he's inclined to support a bailout that Republicans and Democrats agree is necessary and that McCain flew back to DC to vote yes on!!
 
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
OH NOES he's inclined to support a bailout that Republicans and Democrats agree is necessary and that McCain flew back to DC to vote yes on!!

The irony is that's my point exactly.
 
I wish Obama and McCain would get some balls and stand up and so NO more. It is complete bullshit giving billionairs a trillion dollars. This makes me sick to my stomach I am considering not voting this time around. Why be part of this corrupt process fuck both sides giving a trillion dollars to the super rich.
 
Originally posted by: quest55720
I wish Obama and McCain would get some balls and stand up and so NO more. It is complete bullshit giving billionairs a trillion dollars. This makes me sick to my stomach I am considering not voting this time around. Why be part of this corrupt process fuck both sides giving a trillion dollars to the super rich.

It is complete bullshit for the candidates to do whatever they can to rescue the credit markets?

This bailout is a neccessary evil. There is no conspiracy here.
 
IN ORDER TO BE AN AGENT OF CHANGE YOU HAVE TO CHANGE EVERYTHING.

I'll never get this. Everyone in Washington wears shoes on their feet. In order to be an agent of change Obama must wear them on his hands!
 
Originally posted by: ChrisFromNJ
Originally posted by: quest55720
I wish Obama and McCain would get some balls and stand up and so NO more. It is complete bullshit giving billionairs a trillion dollars. This makes me sick to my stomach I am considering not voting this time around. Why be part of this corrupt process fuck both sides giving a trillion dollars to the super rich.

It is complete bullshit for the candidates to do whatever they can to rescue the credit markets?

This bailout is a necessary evil. There is no conspiracy here.

Necessary evil, lesser of two evils...... I see a trend. 😛
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
IN ORDER TO BE AN AGENT OF CHANGE YOU HAVE TO CHANGE EVERYTHING.

I'll never get this. Everyone in Washington wears shoes on their feet. In order to be an agent of change Obama must wear them on his hands!

Im only asking they work in unison with his mouth. But I guess that depends on what day you catch him on.
 
Originally posted by: ChrisFromNJ
Originally posted by: quest55720
I wish Obama and McCain would get some balls and stand up and so NO more. It is complete bullshit giving billionairs a trillion dollars. This makes me sick to my stomach I am considering not voting this time around. Why be part of this corrupt process fuck both sides giving a trillion dollars to the super rich.

It is complete bullshit for the candidates to do whatever they can to rescue the credit markets?

This bailout is a neccessary evil. There is no conspiracy here.

No it is not neccessary at all. If we bail them out now this will happen again in a decade. The only way this does not happen again is if the private sector gets its ass handed to them. Wallstreet is laughing all the way to the bank with a blank check. In a week will be giving out shit loans starting the process all over again because they know they wll be bailed out again and again. Credit should be harder to get and this bill does not make it harder to get.
 
Originally posted by: AAjax
Originally posted by: eskimospy
IN ORDER TO BE AN AGENT OF CHANGE YOU HAVE TO CHANGE EVERYTHING.

I'll never get this. Everyone in Washington wears shoes on their feet. In order to be an agent of change Obama must wear them on his hands!

Im only asking they work in unison with his mouth. But I guess that depends on what day you catch him on.

One of the downsides to Obama being a slate that people will place their own impressions of him on is that frequently they don't even bother to do the basic research as to what that slate is made of.

Obama's message of change is fundamentally an appeal to post-partisanship... exactly what this deal represents. Yet you're trying to slam him for somehow betraying his change message when he's doing exactly what he said he would do.
 

So your point is that if an agent of change is given a proposal by the representatives of the "status quo," and it happens that agent of change believes that the proposal is in fact the best available under the circumstances, then the agent of change MUST nevertheless vote "no," otherwise he's not a genuine agent of change?

In other words, an agent of change ALWAYS goes against the status quo?

Does that mean:

1) Obama should propose legislation to revoke all other legislation passed over the past 50 years?
2) Obama should always vote opposite to the majority? As President, Obama should always veto bills unless he was the originator of the bill?
3) Obama should always say, "I disagree" when the speaker is a representative of the status quo?
4) Obama should leave the room when confronted by two representative of the status quo who disagree with each other (since if Obama takes a position, he'd be agreeing with one or the other representative of the status quo)?
 
Originally posted by: eskimospy
IN ORDER TO BE AN AGENT OF CHANGE YOU HAVE TO CHANGE EVERYTHING.

I'll never get this. Everyone in Washington wears shoes on their feet. In order to be an agent of change Obama must wear them on his hands!

. . . or he must initiate a law bannng the wearing of shoes.
 
Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: ChrisFromNJ
Originally posted by: quest55720
I wish Obama and McCain would get some balls and stand up and so NO more. It is complete bullshit giving billionairs a trillion dollars. This makes me sick to my stomach I am considering not voting this time around. Why be part of this corrupt process fuck both sides giving a trillion dollars to the super rich.

It is complete bullshit for the candidates to do whatever they can to rescue the credit markets?

This bailout is a neccessary evil. There is no conspiracy here.

No it is not neccessary at all. If we bail them out now this will happen again in a decade. The only way this does not happen again is if the private sector gets its ass handed to them. Wallstreet is laughing all the way to the bank with a blank check. In a week will be giving out shit loans starting the process all over again because they know they wll be bailed out again and again. Credit should be harder to get and this bill does not make it harder to get.

you don't even understand the basics of the 'bailout', please stop trying to contribute to this thread, you dragging it into the gutter.
 
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: ChrisFromNJ
Originally posted by: quest55720
I wish Obama and McCain would get some balls and stand up and so NO more. It is complete bullshit giving billionairs a trillion dollars. This makes me sick to my stomach I am considering not voting this time around. Why be part of this corrupt process fuck both sides giving a trillion dollars to the super rich.

It is complete bullshit for the candidates to do whatever they can to rescue the credit markets?

This bailout is a neccessary evil. There is no conspiracy here.

No it is not neccessary at all. If we bail them out now this will happen again in a decade. The only way this does not happen again is if the private sector gets its ass handed to them. Wallstreet is laughing all the way to the bank with a blank check. In a week will be giving out shit loans starting the process all over again because they know they wll be bailed out again and again. Credit should be harder to get and this bill does not make it harder to get.

you don't even understand the basics of the 'bailout', please stop trying to contribute to this thread, you dragging it into the gutter.

No shit, no one understands the basics of bailout. Notice how zero details have been released.
 
Originally posted by: AAjax

Well, this comes as no surprise, Obama is no agent of cange IMHO he is just the faceman for the status quo.


Sigh... let the "reaching" remarks insue.....

Thanks for the spin. Your analysis is as keen as a marshmallow. :roll:

Why don't you try reading exactly what Obama said on "Face The Nation." Here's his opening statement:

Senator BARACK OBAMA (Democratic Presidential Candidate): Well, look. First of all, I think we have to understand that this was an urgent situation and is an urgent situation, and by the end of the week I think everybody recognized that something needed to be done. What I'm pleased about is that it appears, at least--and I haven't reviewed the actual language--is that some core principles that I set forth at the beginning of this crisis were incorporated: the issue of making sure that we had strong oversight, the insistence that taxpayers share in the gains if there are any when the market recovers, the insistence that homeowners get additional relief, so that there's some reciprocity. If in fact we're bailing out or helping banks, they in turn have to help rework mortgages for people who are potentially facing foreclosure. And the final thing, the issue of executive compensation, making sure that taxpayer money is not going to pad bonuses or golden parachutes. It appears that those principles have all been incorporated into the core agreement, and I'm going to be reviewing the language over the next day to make sure that those provisions actually stick.

Ultimately, I believe that we have to get something done. And so if I feel that those are meaningful provisions that provide some constraints on how the Treasury operates, and this is not going to be welfare for Wall Street, then my inclination is to support it because I think Main Street is now at stake. This could affect every sector of the economy. If the credit crisis continues or worsens, then suddenly small business people can't make their payroll, you have large businesses who can't sell corporate debt, which could bring the entire economy to a grinding halt.

The last point I want to make on this is we have to remember how we got here. Not so much to allocate blame as to understand the choices that are going to face the next president. Unless we update our 20th century regulatory framework for a 21st century global financial system, then we are going to continue to be vulnerable to this kind of situation. And I think the next president has to come in with a very strong package of reforms. We're going to have to fight off the lobbyists and the special interests. And finally, we've got to understand that contrary to what John McCain suggested at the beginning of this crisis, the fundamentals of the economy are not strong, and some of the root causes of this crisis had to do with the day-to-day struggles that ordinary people are going through with flat wages and incomes but constantly increasing costs. That puts pressure on them to take out more debt, to use home equity loans, to try to refinance. It created an environment in which this kind of crisis potentially could occur.

SCHIEFFER: ...from what you understand about it, you will support this?

Sen. OBAMA: As it stands now, if the four principles that I laid out 10 or 12 days ago are, in fact, contained in a meaningful way.

SCHIEFFER: OK.

Sen. OBAMA: The taxpayer protection, the investor participation of taxpayers, the corporate--or the CEO compensation issues...

SCHIEFFER: Mm-hmm.

Sen. OBAMA: ...as well as the homeowner assistance. If those are contained, my inclination would be to vote for it; understanding, I'm not happy about it. We should have never gotten into this place in the first place.

You can read the rest of what he said at the link.

How does what Obama said on the show make him "just the faceman for the status quo?"

For that matter, assuming you actually know the meaning of the latin term, status quo, try telling us exactly which part or parts of the status would remain quo under the changes Obama and other Democrats demanded in Paulson's original request. :roll:
 
It woudl be incredibly naive and rash for anyone to commit to the bailout bill before the "final" version is published. Often there are substantial differences, possibly even dealbreakers.

Obama simply stated, based on what he knows to date he is inclined to support the bill. Perfectly prudent, as the real Bush used to say.

Now which candidate did make (yet another) rash judgment in support of this bill? Of course, for him it doesn't matter as he changes positions every few hours.
 
Originally posted by: quest55720
I wish Obama and McCain would get some balls and stand up and so NO more. It is complete bullshit giving billionairs a trillion dollars. This makes me sick to my stomach I am considering not voting this time around. Why be part of this corrupt process fuck both sides giving a trillion dollars to the super rich.

Are you willing to take the blame for a depression if enough people like you harass your Congressmen into rejecting this bill?
 
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: quest55720
I wish Obama and McCain would get some balls and stand up and so NO more. It is complete bullshit giving billionairs a trillion dollars. This makes me sick to my stomach I am considering not voting this time around. Why be part of this corrupt process fuck both sides giving a trillion dollars to the super rich.

Are you willing to take the blame for a depression if enough people like you harass your Congressmen into rejecting this bill?

Yes I am willing to take the blame. Are you willing to take the blame if it does not work or corruption and fraud surround this bail out? Are you willing to take the blame when a news network finds a bunch of fat cats who get rich off this bail out? There has to be another way that does not put 1 trillion at risk with almost no strings attached.
 
Originally posted by: quest55720
Yes I am willing to take the blame. Are you willing to take the blame if it does not work or corruption and fraud surround this bail out? Are you willing to take the blame when a news network finds a bunch of fat cats who get rich off this bail out? There has to be another way that does not put 1 trillion at risk with almost no strings attached.

Take 'blame' ??

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HA!

HA!

Save us from your faux outrage. It Fails. Show us where anytime in the last 7 years you have railed against the trillions made by the ""bunch of fat cats who get rich off"" the Bush Tax Cuts, War Spending, Special Interest Legislation and the Part D Big Pharma Give-A-Way. You are simply bloviating with your "no strings attached" rhetoric.

I think it's great that we have a potential President in Barrack Obama who can effectively elucidate specifics of an issue.

It must give you NeanderCons a really big headache when issues aren't jingo'ed with ""Victory"", ""Mission Accomplished"", ""Cut and Run"", etc. No wonder you want to dumb down America.

The Republican party and VooDoo Economics has Failed. Man up and take responsibility and blame for the last 8 years ....

Like that will ever happen :laugh:

 
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: ChrisFromNJ
Originally posted by: quest55720
I wish Obama and McCain would get some balls and stand up and so NO more. It is complete bullshit giving billionairs a trillion dollars. This makes me sick to my stomach I am considering not voting this time around. Why be part of this corrupt process fuck both sides giving a trillion dollars to the super rich.

It is complete bullshit for the candidates to do whatever they can to rescue the credit markets?

This bailout is a neccessary evil. There is no conspiracy here.

No it is not neccessary at all. If we bail them out now this will happen again in a decade. The only way this does not happen again is if the private sector gets its ass handed to them. Wallstreet is laughing all the way to the bank with a blank check. In a week will be giving out shit loans starting the process all over again because they know they wll be bailed out again and again. Credit should be harder to get and this bill does not make it harder to get.

you don't even understand the basics of the 'bailout', please stop trying to contribute to this thread, you dragging it into the gutter.

No shit, no one understands the basics of bailout. Notice how zero details have been released.

my econ prof had a copy of the legislation on friday, don't know whats changed since then, but the basic mechanics of the current dominant plan are fairly well known.
 
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: ChrisFromNJ
Originally posted by: quest55720
I wish Obama and McCain would get some balls and stand up and so NO more. It is complete bullshit giving billionairs a trillion dollars. This makes me sick to my stomach I am considering not voting this time around. Why be part of this corrupt process fuck both sides giving a trillion dollars to the super rich.

It is complete bullshit for the candidates to do whatever they can to rescue the credit markets?

This bailout is a neccessary evil. There is no conspiracy here.

No it is not neccessary at all. If we bail them out now this will happen again in a decade. The only way this does not happen again is if the private sector gets its ass handed to them. Wallstreet is laughing all the way to the bank with a blank check. In a week will be giving out shit loans starting the process all over again because they know they wll be bailed out again and again. Credit should be harder to get and this bill does not make it harder to get.

you don't even understand the basics of the 'bailout', please stop trying to contribute to this thread, you dragging it into the gutter.

No shit, no one understands the basics of bailout. Notice how zero details have been released.

my econ prof had a copy of the legislation on friday, don't know whats changed since then, but the basic mechanics of the current dominant plan are fairly well known.

Well yes, the plan of letting paulson do what ever the hell he wants is still the dominant plan. But that doesn't mean anyone has any details on what paulson will do with his blank check.
 
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