***BREAKING NEWS*** terrorist plot in london's heathrow thwarted

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Jnetty99

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: Queasy
Well, the key remotes are definitely banned in the UK - Link

Passengers may take through the airport security search point, in a single (ideally transparent) plastic carrier bag, only the following items. Nothing may be carried in pockets:

-Pocket-size wallets and pocket-size purses plus contents (no handbags);
-essential travel documents (for example, passports and travel tickets);
-prescription drugs and essential medical items except in liquid form unless verified as authentic;
-spectacles and sunglasses, without cases;
-contact lens holders, without bottles of solution;
-for those travelling with an infant: baby food, milk (the contents of each bottle must be tasted by the accompanying passenger) and sanitary items sufficient and essential for the flight (nappies, wipes, creams and nappy disposal bags);
-female sanitary items sufficient and essential for the flight, if unboxed (eg tampons, pads, towels and wipes);
-tissues (unboxed) and/or handkerchiefs; and
-keys (but no electrical key fobs).

Yeah, the UK restrictions are stricter than US ones.

Thats kind of dumb about remote control or Car less key entry. What happens if you put that stuff in your checked in bag and the airline looses it.

think about laptops, expensive cameras, portable dvd players and so on and so on

frankly I dont know if I will go to london in a few months if these mesures are still up :|

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: gsellis
Based on the info, it looks like they were planning a binary explosive (two seperate elements combined in flight). They have said either peroxide or gel explosive. So, they would put two folks on each flight.

This was tried before in '94 - Link

In the mid-1990s, officials foiled a plan by terrorist mastermind Ramzi Youssef to blow up 12 Western jetliners simultaneously over the Pacific. The alleged plot involved improvised bombs using liquid hidden in contact lens solution containers.

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There is obviously a focus here on liquid explosives, out of the belief that they would defeat screening detectors. The '94 plot involved explosive components that the bomber could assemble in the plane's bathroom and that could be detonated by a timer (a simple wrist-watch, if I'm remembering correctly). Yousef put one of these together in a test-run. He boarded a plane making one stop enroute to the U.S. On the first leg, he put together the device and planted it under his seat. He then did not contine on the second leg. The bomb detonated, killing a Japanese national and nearly bringing the flight down.

There is often a long time between attacks, but the jihadists are not idling. They refine their tactics, and they often go back, again and again, to the same targets and the same plans.

 

[Raduque]

Maybe we should just do away with flying and go back to ship crossings. I know I'd enjoy traveling a lot more. Last I heard, all they had to get on ships was a metal detector.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Jnetty99

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: Queasy
Well, the key remotes are definitely banned in the UK - Link

Passengers may take through the airport security search point, in a single (ideally transparent) plastic carrier bag, only the following items. Nothing may be carried in pockets:

-Pocket-size wallets and pocket-size purses plus contents (no handbags);
-essential travel documents (for example, passports and travel tickets);
-prescription drugs and essential medical items except in liquid form unless verified as authentic;
-spectacles and sunglasses, without cases;
-contact lens holders, without bottles of solution;
-for those travelling with an infant: baby food, milk (the contents of each bottle must be tasted by the accompanying passenger) and sanitary items sufficient and essential for the flight (nappies, wipes, creams and nappy disposal bags);
-female sanitary items sufficient and essential for the flight, if unboxed (eg tampons, pads, towels and wipes);
-tissues (unboxed) and/or handkerchiefs; and
-keys (but no electrical key fobs).

Yeah, the UK restrictions are stricter than US ones.

Thats kind of dumb about remote control or Car less key entry. What happens if you put that stuff in your checked in bag and the airline looses it.

think about laptops, expensive cameras, portable dvd players and so on and so on

frankly I dont know if I will go to london in a few months if these mesures are still up :|

Pack them properly and it's no problem. If you can't I don't think we'll miss another whiner.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: Jnetty99

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: Queasy
Well, the key remotes are definitely banned in the UK - Link

Passengers may take through the airport security search point, in a single (ideally transparent) plastic carrier bag, only the following items. Nothing may be carried in pockets:

-Pocket-size wallets and pocket-size purses plus contents (no handbags);
-essential travel documents (for example, passports and travel tickets);
-prescription drugs and essential medical items except in liquid form unless verified as authentic;
-spectacles and sunglasses, without cases;
-contact lens holders, without bottles of solution;
-for those travelling with an infant: baby food, milk (the contents of each bottle must be tasted by the accompanying passenger) and sanitary items sufficient and essential for the flight (nappies, wipes, creams and nappy disposal bags);
-female sanitary items sufficient and essential for the flight, if unboxed (eg tampons, pads, towels and wipes);
-tissues (unboxed) and/or handkerchiefs; and
-keys (but no electrical key fobs).

Yeah, the UK restrictions are stricter than US ones.

Thats kind of dumb about remote control or Car less key entry. What happens if you put that stuff in your checked in bag and the airline looses it.

Oh what the hell, my apartment uses key fobs, what the hell do you want. Just because I live in a freaking brand new apartment means I get punished for this?

So like someone said, if they lose my bag, I can't sleep at my home for the first night (Assuming they bring the bag the next morning)? Wow. GG MONEY.

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: Raduque
Maybe we should just do away with flying and go back to ship crossings. I know I'd enjoy traveling a lot more. Last I heard, all they had to get on ships was a metal detector.

To get on from ports during voyages, yes.

From port of embarking (beginning of cruise) the scanning is very similar to airport security. Checked bags are scanned for booze too as it's not allowed for the guest to have in their possession until the last night of the cruise.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: DLeRium
Oh what the hell, my apartment uses key fobs, what the hell do you want. Just because I live in a freaking brand new apartment means I get punished for this?

So like someone said, if they lose my bag, I can't sleep at my home for the first night (Assuming they bring the bag the next morning)? Wow. GG MONEY.

You can only get in your apartment using a key fob? You can't use a key?

 

[iamme]

the one thing that does suck about this is that sometimes you pack on a small enough duffel bag so you can avoid the luggage check-in. checking in your luggage during departure and finding your luggage when you arrive is a PITA. not to mention the chance that your belongings get lost.

all the restrictions force you to check in luggage, if you need to carry anything liquid.

i'm glad they're making efforts to keep people safe, but it does suck for anyone who travels a lot. i don't see it as earth shatteringly horrible like some here make it out to be.....just a hassle.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: DLeRium
Oh what the hell, my apartment uses key fobs, what the hell do you want. Just because I live in a freaking brand new apartment means I get punished for this?

So like someone said, if they lose my bag, I can't sleep at my home for the first night (Assuming they bring the bag the next morning)? Wow. GG MONEY.

You can only get in your apartment using a key fob? You can't use a key?

Main door that is. They used to use a code for the garage but they replaced that with key fob also. The code works for the main door, but not everyone has a car in the apartment ($120 parking per month is a rip, and they don't even have a spot for everyone), so I dont know the code. I tried to find out, but the people I knew are long gone and management wouldn't tell me because they switched out of the code system.

Now, during the day I usually have no trouble following people in to my apartment, and most of the time people just knock on my door because they seem to find a way into the building.

During the night though, without a keyfob I'm GG moneyed. The only people who use keys are the mailman, fire dept and stuff. Even then, we keyfob them in because we have double doors and a button system on the 2nd door that only gets activated when you keyfob.... Bleh.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: MS Dawn

Originally posted by: Raduque
Maybe we should just do away with flying and go back to ship crossings. I know I'd enjoy traveling a lot more. Last I heard, all they had to get on ships was a metal detector.

To get on from ports during voyages, yes.

From port of embarking (beginning of cruise) the scanning is very similar to airport security. Checked bags are scanned for booze too as it's not allowed for the guest to have in their possession until the last night of the cruise.

In the middle of the cruise no one scans you. Once you get on the ship, any stops you make in the middle of your cruise.. Wow, go wild. You can bring anything on board. Seriously, they need to improve this. I don't think I want to go on a cruise again for a while now that I think of this...

 

[Fingolfin269]

What in the world is 'GG moneyed'. My intarweb vocabulary needs GG expansion.

BTW, is it just in movies that cell phones can be used as triggers or is that a fact? If so, why allow cell phones on board and not these keys?

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

In the middle of the cruise no one scans you. Once you get on the ship, any stops you make in the middle of your cruise.. Wow, go wild. You can bring anything on board.

Well, yes that is a possibility but I will not discuss the specifics. I don't mind the folks that bring a few minatures in plastic bottles shoved in their deep cargo pockets. Just don't bring fireworks or drugs.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
What in the world is 'GG moneyed'. My intarweb vocabulary needs GG expansion.

BTW, is it just in movies that cell phones can be used as triggers or is that a fact? If so, why allow cell phones on board and not these keys?

Cuz everyone's got a cell phone. Phone penetration in Europe >>> US. Keyfobs -- not everyone has one of those. But in the end keyfobs use the same technology in smart cards (like when you go to work and swipe for the entry door), which is just ridiculous. Nothing says you can't have your smart card from work.

Hell, my student ID is a smart card. We use it to open doors to the labs and stuff. I can't carry that either or what?

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
What in the world is 'GG moneyed'. My intarweb vocabulary needs GG expansion.

BTW, is it just in movies that cell phones can be used as triggers or is that a fact? If so, why allow cell phones on board and not these keys?

It's a fact. Many of the IEDs in Iraq are set off via cell phones. Either the London train bombing, the Spain train bombing, or both used cell phones as remote detonaters.

Perhaps they had intelligence suggesting that the key fobs were going to be the triggering device in this plot? Cells are scrutinized more. I know I had to turn my phone on and off and show that it was a true cell phone to get in some places (like sporting events) after 9/11.

 

[allisolm]

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Originally posted by: DLeRium
Oh what the hell, my apartment uses key fobs, what the hell do you want. Just because I live in a freaking brand new apartment means I get punished for this?

So like someone said, if they lose my bag, I can't sleep at my home for the first night (Assuming they bring the bag the next morning)? Wow. GG MONEY.

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You only get punished for this if you happen to be flying out of Heathrow and if the airline happens to lose your bag and if they happen not to get it back to you the same day and if there happens to be no other way in the world to get into your apartment. Chances of all that happening are slim, so you can probably calm down and breathe. 🙂

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: allisolm
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Originally posted by: DLeRium
Oh what the hell, my apartment uses key fobs, what the hell do you want. Just because I live in a freaking brand new apartment means I get punished for this?

So like someone said, if they lose my bag, I can't sleep at my home for the first night (Assuming they bring the bag the next morning)? Wow. GG MONEY.

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You only get punished for this if you happen to be flying out of Heathrow and if the airline happens to lose your bag and if they happen not to get it back to you the same day and if there happens to be no other way in the world to get into your apartment. Chances of all that happening are slim, so you can probably calm down and breathe. 🙂

Might be true, but the last time I flew to Europe, my bag was lost. Hell, Southwest loses my bags too on as imple flight from LA to San Jose. My bag wound up in Vegas. Sure they got me my bag the next day, but my flight was arrived at midnight and SJC was closing as I was leaving. I guess I could've slept at my friend's house, but it's just a hassle.

Do they allow you to pack knives in London? It's ok in the US, but in China they were b!tching at us forever for buying a set of knives at a tourist location.

I remember this one guy from our tour pointed at me and said "Look at this little boy, he's about to cry, how can you do this to him?" and the airport guy finally let us bring it on. (BTW WTF, I wonder how much the bought that comment because I'm 20, and I'm taller than half the ppl in my tour...)

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: DLeRium
Oh what the hell, my apartment uses key fobs, what the hell do you want. Just because I live in a freaking brand new apartment means I get punished for this?

So like someone said, if they lose my bag, I can't sleep at my home for the first night (Assuming they bring the bag the next morning)? Wow. GG MONEY.

You can only get in your apartment using a key fob? You can't use a key?

Main door that is. They used to use a code for the garage but they replaced that with key fob also. The code works for the main door, but not everyone has a car in the apartment ($120 parking per month is a rip, and they don't even have a spot for everyone), so I dont know the code. I tried to find out, but the people I knew are long gone and management wouldn't tell me because they switched out of the code system.

Now, during the day I usually have no trouble following people in to my apartment, and most of the time people just knock on my door because they seem to find a way into the building.

During the night though, without a keyfob I'm GG moneyed. The only people who use keys are the mailman, fire dept and stuff. Even then, we keyfob them in because we have double doors and a button system on the 2nd door that only gets activated when you keyfob.... Bleh.

When you travel leave a copy with a friend or family member. Not too hard is it.

 

[Rubycon]

Just imagine how much shampoo, soap, hairgel, etc. is going to be in those dumpsters at the airports! :Q

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: Jnetty99

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: Queasy
Well, the key remotes are definitely banned in the UK - Link

Passengers may take through the airport security search point, in a single (ideally transparent) plastic carrier bag, only the following items. Nothing may be carried in pockets:

-Pocket-size wallets and pocket-size purses plus contents (no handbags);
-essential travel documents (for example, passports and travel tickets);
-prescription drugs and essential medical items except in liquid form unless verified as authentic;
-spectacles and sunglasses, without cases;
-contact lens holders, without bottles of solution;
-for those travelling with an infant: baby food, milk (the contents of each bottle must be tasted by the accompanying passenger) and sanitary items sufficient and essential for the flight (nappies, wipes, creams and nappy disposal bags);
-female sanitary items sufficient and essential for the flight, if unboxed (eg tampons, pads, towels and wipes);
-tissues (unboxed) and/or handkerchiefs; and
-keys (but no electrical key fobs).

Yeah, the UK restrictions are stricter than US ones.

Thats kind of dumb about remote control or Car less key entry. What happens if you put that stuff in your checked in bag and the airline looses it.

think about laptops, expensive cameras, portable dvd players and so on and so on

frankly I dont know if I will go to london in a few months if these mesures are still up :|

Pack them properly and it's no problem. If you can't I don't think we'll miss another whiner.

here is a story

a family goes on vacation in portugal, they pack their 350d camera which they borrowed in their suitcases, they check them in at the airport in portugal, and when they get back to iceland the camera is gone, along with everything else valuable in the case

why do you think people take the most valuable items always as a carry on when flying anyways?

 

[Molondo]

Fear at its best.

 

[Mayfriday0529]

Do you think the U.S. Goverment knew before hand what the U.K. was investigating? Or did the U.K. do the investigation on their own and passed the information over to the U.S. only After finding out their plans. I mean if the U.K 100% responsible for stopping the threath that is great, but imagine if they didn't; the U.S. intellegence would have looked like an idiot again.

 

[MaxDepth]

I guess we'll just have to use that hair gel before we board the plane.

 

[allisolm]

Originally posted by: MaxDepth
I guess we'll just have to use that hair gel before we board the plane.

"Referral Denied"

 

[JImmyK]

http://imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0129387/024543034230_z_thericau.jpg

try that link

 

[kitkit201]

glad im not working for the TSA anymore.. i use to be one of those secuirty officiers at a checkpoint... 4 months of it was waaay enough...