Breaking News: Jesse Jackson Jr. dropped the dime on Blago

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
This story means nothing when it comes to the current scandal.

Perhaps Jackson is innocent or perhaps he threw this out to make himself look like a good guy.
The fact that there was a fundraiser held right before Blago was arrested raises some serious questions.

'serious questions' is quickly because the code word for partisan hackery around here.

Can someone please give me the new acceptable phrase??

Timeline:
1. Blago says candidate #5 can have the seat if he raises X number of dollars.
2. A Jackson supporter holds a fundraiser for Blago

If that doesn't make you wonder then you are an idiot. Especially after we learn #5 was Jessse Jackson Jr

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Timeline:
1. Blago says candidate #5 can have the seat if he raises X number of dollars.
2. A Jackson supporter holds a fundraiser for Blago

If that doesn't make you wonder then you are an idiot. Especially after we learn #5 was Jessse Jackson Jr

You forgot the most important entry in your meaningless timeline, which is that Patrick Fitzgerald has much more on tape than we know. Jackson could turn out to be involved, but we'll know soon enough when Fitzgerald makes the evidence public.

Meanwhile, all you've got is speculation and coincidence, but keep spreading the FUD and hoping something... ANYTHING... happens to put a turd in some Democrat... ANY Democrat's punchbowl. :roll:

 

[ProfJohn]

Harvey, nothing says that Jackson was aware of the agreement. I am not even sure he was at the fundraiser.

But the time line DOES raise questions.

BTW I think Fitz ended the investigation too soon. Should have waited a little longer to see who else he could catch. It is not like there was any danger involved in letting the case play out another week or two. Perhaps he gets someone like Jackson on tape. I doubt it would have reached Obama himself though, he seems way to smart for something like this.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Harvey, nothing says that Jackson was aware of the agreement. I am not even sure he was at the fundraiser.

But the time line DOES raise questions.

BTW I think Fitz ended the investigation too soon. Should have waited a little longer to see who else he could catch. It is not like there was any danger involved in letting the case play out another week or two. Perhaps he gets someone like Jackson on tape. I doubt it would have reached Obama himself though, he seems way to smart for something like this.

Probably because he didn't have cause to investigate Jackson or Obama so that would be foolish if not unethical to continue the investigation based off of vague, partisan-driven suspicions of third parties.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Harvey, nothing says that Jackson was aware of the agreement. I am not even sure he was at the fundraiser.

But the time line DOES raise questions.

Of course, it does, but Fitzgerald probably has the answers to those questions. Nothing we say or do is going to change the facts or the timeline for releasing his evidence.

BTW I think Fitz ended the investigation too soon. Should have waited a little longer to see who else he could catch. It is not like there was any danger involved in letting the case play out another week or two. Perhaps he gets someone like Jackson on tape. I doubt it would have reached Obama himself though, he seems way to smart for something like this.

Fitzgerald hasn't ended his investigation. It's ongoing, as is the rest of his preparation of his case. Regarding waiting, in case you weren't taking notes, he already said quite the contrary.

Fitzgerald said the case required "unusual measures" because of actions Blagojevich was expected to take soon, including filling the vacant Senate seat. "There were a lot of things going on that were imminent," he said.

"We were in the middle of a corruption crime spree and we wanted to stop it," Fitzgerald said.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Farang
How was my post ad hominem.. I was just pointing out a phrase often used and defining it, so obviously that would be addressed to those who don't know its definition--that is, those who are not informed, or uninformed, of its meaning.

Right Go tell that to someone that was born yesterday. Maybe you can convince them that giving "the uninformed" a head's up had no ill intent to it? Nor did you define it. You redefined it, in a partisan hackish and pre-emptive manner, to attempt to shut down anyone who would dare to state that there are some serious questions to be answered.

When you take not consideration it's ProJo he's speaking of he's actually pretty spot on. No different than Harvey talking about Bush or you pretending to be objective.

I'll take into consideration that it's you making that claim too. Guess that makes me somewhat more objective than you?

Nah you're just as biased and full of your self as any of us. I think it's a little to soon to be passing judgment on anybody but Blago as this moment.

Of course I'm at least as full of myself as anyone in here. You have to be full of yourself to post in this place. As far as being biased, I haven't made an accusatory comment about JJJ. For that matter, I'm waiting for some actual verifiable evidence to come in on Blago. I'm not passing any judgement yet. Questions deserve to be asked though.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
He just lost the support of the thug/gangster rapper constituency by snitching.

Snitches get stitches

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Zebo
He's probably the best choice too. Very popular in his district and Ill at large. Only thing holding him back is his name.

Eh? The only reason he's where he's at is because of his name.

Dude he's 100x smarter and articulate than his thug father whom people unfortunately associate with him.

But without his name, he'd have just been another guy trying to get into politics. He name got him in the door with both the party and the voters.

That's really true......

But it's that way in all politics look... If your last name is Kennedy then your suppose to get a free ride on a senators seat???

I'm sure bush wouldn't be where he is if it wasn't for his dad. The only two people that kinda came out of no where were clinton and obama.

This is just the tip of the ice burg tho. I'm sure they are all related one way or another.

It's not what you know........but, who you know.

 

[Lemon law]

All things are possible, but the heat is on Blagojevich and other rats are starting to feel the heat. In the fullness of time, the rats will be identified, that point has not even close to have arrived yet, and unlike Red Dawn, I think Non Prof John is engaged in nothing but trolling at this point. Ole PJ may want to see JJJ go down for partisan reasons, I will be happy to agree with PJ if he has an iota of evidence, but congressmen and women are always having fund raisers, its a sad reality of politics, they have to raise a war chest of 2-3 Kbucks per day, just to be competitive for their next election.

Skepticism is healthy, making unwarranted speculations about about two basically unconnected events is not.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Farang

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Harvey, nothing says that Jackson was aware of the agreement. I am not even sure he was at the fundraiser.

But the time line DOES raise questions.

BTW I think Fitz ended the investigation too soon. Should have waited a little longer to see who else he could catch. It is not like there was any danger involved in letting the case play out another week or two. Perhaps he gets someone like Jackson on tape. I doubt it would have reached Obama himself though, he seems way to smart for something like this.

Probably because he didn't have cause to investigate Jackson or Obama so that would be foolish if not unethical to continue the investigation based off of vague, partisan-driven suspicions of third parties.

I think you missed my point.

Fitz has Blago on tape trying to sell the Senate seat.
If Fitz waits another week or two to bring him in he MIGHT get someone on tape trying to buy the seat. By ending the investigation when he did Fitz blew any chance he had at catching more corrupt politicians.

Think of it as similar to drug investigation. Blago is the dealer and they have enough to drag him into court, but if they wait they might be able to busy his supplier as well. In this case Fitz rushed to catch Blago when he could have waited. There would have been no real harm in waiting. Blago's crimes were not going to get someone killed and the worst that could have happened would have been Blago appointing someone to the seat before he got busted.

 

[L00PY]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Fitz has Blago on tape trying to sell the Senate seat.
If Fitz waits another week or two to bring him in he MIGHT get someone on tape trying to buy the seat. By ending the investigation when he did Fitz blew any chance he had at catching more corrupt politicians.

Think of it as similar to drug investigation. Blago is the dealer and they have enough to drag him into court, but if they wait they might be able to busy his supplier as well. In this case Fitz rushed to catch Blago when he could have waited. There would have been no real harm in waiting. Blago's crimes were not going to get someone killed and the worst that could have happened would have been Blago appointing someone to the seat before he got busted.

Let me make a comparison. You think Obama's unfit to hold office. Do you wait until you actually have evidence or do you immediately jump in as soon as you think you've got something actionable, throw anything and everything you've got against the wall, and pray something sticks? The man's leading the executive branch of the government. Leaving him in power long enough to possibly catch someone else might not be the best thing for the state. Especially given that he's apparently the biggest fish they're going to catch with this line.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
the worst that could have happened would have been Blago appointing someone to the seat before he got busted.

See Harvey's response I think he covered it pretty well. Had he been allowed to appoint someone, even if that person was innocent a cloud would always hang over their head. There would always be people wanting to--and I'm not trying to bring this up again but for lack of a better term--"raise questions" about how they got the seat. That's not really fair to do to an innocent person's career, which Fitzgerald was risking if he allowed the Governor to make his appointment.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: L00PY

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Fitz has Blago on tape trying to sell the Senate seat.
If Fitz waits another week or two to bring him in he MIGHT get someone on tape trying to buy the seat. By ending the investigation when he did Fitz blew any chance he had at catching more corrupt politicians.

Think of it as similar to drug investigation. Blago is the dealer and they have enough to drag him into court, but if they wait they might be able to busy his supplier as well. In this case Fitz rushed to catch Blago when he could have waited. There would have been no real harm in waiting. Blago's crimes were not going to get someone killed and the worst that could have happened would have been Blago appointing someone to the seat before he got busted.

Let me make a comparison. You think Obama's unfit to hold office. Do you wait until you actually have evidence or do you immediately jump in as soon as you think you've got something actionable, throw anything and everything you've got against the wall, and pray something sticks? The man's leading the executive branch of the government. Leaving him in power long enough to possibly catch someone else might not be the best thing for the state. Especially given that he's apparently the biggest fish they're going to catch with this line.

psssst he's still in office!!!!! Nothing has changed, except no one is talking to him now.

What difference would it have made if they had let him hang out there another two weeks?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Harvey, nothing says that Jackson was aware of the agreement. I am not even sure he was at the fundraiser.

But the time line DOES raise questions.

BTW I think Fitz ended the investigation too soon. Should have waited a little longer to see who else he could catch. It is not like there was any danger involved in letting the case play out another week or two. Perhaps he gets someone like Jackson on tape. I doubt it would have reached Obama himself though, he seems way to smart for something like this.

What do you mean there was no risk? It seems like Blago was looking to appoint someone to the seat, sooner rather than later. If he appointed someone, you've got an ultra corrupt official and an appointment to office. That's a mess and a half.

EDIT: Lots has changed, he has been effectively removed from power, just not in name. There's nothing that he can accomplish that any body will ratify.

 

[ProfJohn]

And if he had appointed someone and then been arrested that person would have been run from office just as Blago is being run from office.

The Senate could have voted to expel the person if they had evidence that they were involved in some scheme to win the seat etc etc.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
And if he had appointed someone and then been arrested that person would have been run from office just as Blago is being run from office.

The Senate could have voted to expel the person if they had evidence that they were involved in some scheme to win the seat etc etc.

It would be an absolute mess with an appointment, there was certainly a good reason to avoid that... especially considering Fitz had absolutely no control or idea what the various governing bodies were going to do.

 

[L00PY]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
psssst he's still in office!!!!! Nothing has changed, except no one is talking to him now.

What difference would it have made if they had let him hang out there another two weeks?

Except now there's incredible pressure for him to resign. There are serious talks of impeachment taking place. Court cases trying to have him removed have been filed. And no one he nominates will be taken seriously or even be seated. I don't think any serious politician would even accept if he nominated them.

Wait two weeks and anyone he might have nominated would have been tainted when finally charged, justifiably so or not. All of these actions to try and get him removed from office might not be have been taking place.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
This story means nothing when it comes to the current scandal.

Perhaps Jackson is innocent or perhaps he threw this out to make himself look like a good guy.
The fact that there was a fundraiser held right before Blago was arrested raises some serious questions.

'serious questions' is quickly because the code word for partisan hackery around here.

Can someone please give me the new acceptable phrase??

Timeline:
1. Blago says candidate #5 can have the seat if he raises X number of dollars.
2. A Jackson supporter holds a fundraiser for Blago

If that doesn't make you wonder then you are an idiot. Especially after we learn #5 was Jessse Jackson Jr

Then it came out the Triple J had reported to the Feds that Blago had tried to shake him down so it seems Triple J is somewhat ethical.

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Timeline:
1. Blago says candidate #5 can have the seat if he raises X number of dollars.
2. A Jackson supporter holds a fundraiser for Blago

If that doesn't make you wonder then you are an idiot. Especially after we learn #5 was Jessse Jackson Jr

Then it came out the Triple J had reported to the Feds that Blago had tried to shake him down so it seems Triple J is somewhat ethical.

JJJ didn't report to the Feds about the empty Senate seat shakedown.

JJJ waited THREE years to report a previous shakedown attempt by Blago, and only did so after someone else did it first. This is according to JJJ's own spokesperson.

IMO, JJJ is not as honest and upright as you think.

 

[xgsound]

Originally posted by: Thump553
Hopefully he clears his name. The only thing I really know about JJJ is the public reaming he gave his father for the stupid comments Jesse made about Obama last summer.

BTW winnar, who is Al Gore's famous relative? I've never heard of any so he must not have had very big coattails to ride on.

Al Gore's father (Albert Arnold Gore) was a 18 year senator from Tennessee until 1970 and tried for the presidency in 1956. Al Gore's full name is Albert Arnold Gore Jr.


Jim

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

And if he had appointed someone and then been arrested that person would have been run from office just as Blago is being run from office.

The Senate could have voted to expel the person if they had evidence that they were involved in some scheme to win the seat etc etc.

Great. By that proceedure, a tainted appointee could commit any number of crimes or sell any number of votes before being removed from office through procedures that would waste a lot of time and cost a lot of money, both to remove the appointee from office and to undo the damage that was done... IF it could be undone, at all. :roll:

Thanks for more of your usual great thinking, there, PJ. :thumbsdown: