Breaking news - Iowa Supreme Court rules in favor of gay marriage

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The Iowa Supreme Court just handed down a decision upholding a lower court's decision that prohibiting same-sex marriages is unconstitutional:

Iowa Supreme Court Ruling On Gay Marriage Upheld

Same-sex couples across the state of Iowa can now get a marriage license. The Iowa Supreme Court handed down its decision on legalizing same-sex marriages Friday morning, upholding a lower court's decision that prohibiting same-sex marriages is unconstitutional.

The Department of Public Safety has brought in extra security, as people on both sides of the issue are on hand awaiting the decision.

The case began in December of 2005, with a lawsuit filed by six same-sex Iowa couples challenging the state's marriage laws. On August 30th of 2007, Judge Robert Hansen issued a ruling that Polk County couldn't deny a same-sex couple a marriage license, essentially making gay marriage legal.

The next morning, dozens of couples rushed into courthouses to apply for marriage licenses, but hours later, Judge Hansen issued a stay stopping gay and lesbian couples from getting married.

One couple was still able to tie the knot. Sean Fritz and Tim McQuillan were married at 10:30 a.m. on August 31st. They remain the only legally married same sex couple in Iowa.

Iowa now becomes the third state in the nation to allow the marriages. Massachusetts and Connecticut are the only others offering licenses to same-sex couples.

Massachusetts became the first in May of 2004. Connecticut followed in November of 2008.

At least eight other states are debating the idea at legislative levels.

Copyright © 2009, WHO-TV

No doubt shocks the hell out of a lot of Americans who bought the stereotype of Iowa as an ultra-conservative, Bible-belt state. This will likely put Iowa in the middle of a political and media circus for a few weeks, something we've been blissfully past since the primaries. I understand some in the legislature are already preparing to submit an amendment to the Iowa constitution.


Edit:

Here's more info from The Des Moines Register, including links to the ruling:

Iowa Supreme Court upholds Hanson's ruling; marriage no longer limited to one man, one woman

REGISTER STAFF REPORTS

The Iowa Supreme Court this morning unanimously upheld gays? right to marry.

?The Iowa statute limiting civil marriage to a union between a man and a woman violates the equal protection clause of the Iowa Constitution,? the justices said in a summary of their decision.

The court rules that gay marriage would be legal in three weeks, starting April 24.

The court affirmed a Polk County District Court decision that would allow six gay couples to marry.

The ruling is viewed as a victory for the gay rights movement in Iowa and elsewhere, and a setback for social conservatives who wanted to protect traditional families.

? Read the summary: Iowa Supreme Court's decision on same-sex marriage.
? Read the full opinion: Iowa Supreme Court's decision on same-sex marriage.


The decision makes Iowa the first Midwestern state, and the fourth nationwide, to allow same-sex marriages. Lawyers for Lambda Legal, a gay rights group that financed the court battle and represented the couples, had hoped to use a court victory to demonstrate acceptance of same-sex marriage in heartland America.

The Iowa Supreme Court?s Web site was deluged with more than 350,000 visitors this morning, in anticipation of the ruling, a Judicial Branch spokesman said this morning.

Steve Davis, a court spokesman, said administrators added extra computer servers to handle the expected increase in Web traffic. But ?this is unprecedented,? Davis said.

Richard Socarides, a former senior adviser to President Bill Clinton on gay civil rights, said today?s decision could set the stage for other states. Socarides was was a senior political assistant for Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin in the early 1990s.

?I think it?s significant because Iowa is considered a Midwest sate in the mainstream of American thought,? Socarides said. ?Unlike states on the coasts, there?s nothing more American than Iowa. As they say during the presidential caucuses, 'As Iowa goes, so goes the nation.??

It?s probable that county and state governments in Iowa, as in other states that have passed gay marriage laws, will be given two or three months to put the change in place. That means that such unions won?t begin today, said Justin Uebelhor, director of communications for One Iowa, the state?s largest lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered advocacy group.

?Typically, it?s not immediate, and that?s most likely what we?d be looking at in Iowa,? Uebelhor said.


Opponents have long argued that allowing gay marriage would erode the institution. Some Iowa lawmakers, mostly Republicans, attempted last year to launch a constitutional amendment to specifically prohibit same-sex marriage.

Such a change would require approval in consecutive legislative sessions and a public vote, which means a ban would could not be put in place until at least 2012 unless lawmakers take up the issue in the next few weeks.

?If you?ll remember when we proposed the Iowa marriage amendment, the Democrats? excuse for not taking it up was that it was in the hands of the Iowa Supreme Court,? Senate Republican leader Paul McKinley of Chariton said Friday. ?It was implied that should they find against traditional marriage, that the Legislature would handle that. I would certainly hope they?ll keep their promise.?

Until today, Iowa law said marriage could only be between one man and one woman.

The case, Varnum vs. Brien, involves six same-sex Iowa couples who sued Polk County Recorder Timothy Brien in 2005 after his office denied them marriage licenses. Polk County District Judge Robert Hanson sided with the couples last year but then suspended his decision pending a high court ruling.

In Dec. 10 arguments to the high court, Assistant Polk County Attorney Roger Kuhle said Hanson erred in his ruling, which declared the 1998 Iowa Defense of Marriage Act unconstitutional and threw out several expert witnesses that gay marriage opponents had hoped to use at the trial. Hanson ruled that the witnesses did not qualify as experts on issues relevant to the case.

Brien, the Polk County recorder, rejected the marriage license requests because he ?has no say in this law,? Kuhle said. ?He can no more give these plaintiffs a license than he could give a license to a man and three women,? he added.

Kuhle argued that same-sex marriage could loosen the definition of marriage to include polygamy. Future generations might discard the institution if they come to believe that opposite-sex parents are not necessary, he argued.

A ruling favorable to gay marriage also could hurt children, who are best raised by a mother and father, he said.

?One could easily argue, and we do, that fostering same-sex marriage will harm the institution of marriage as we know it,? Kuhle said. ?It?s not going to happen tomorrow. We?re not going to see any changes tomorrow, next week, next year, in our generation. But you?ve got to look to the future.?

Kuhle said state support for same-sex marriage would teach future generations that marriage is no longer about procreation despite thousands of years of history.

Nor does the case belong in the courts, Kuhle said. The debate should fall to the Legislature.

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sportage

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The liberal iOwa democratic gov said long ago he would favor & support an amendment to the iOwa constitution to ban gay marriage.
If he doesn?t... no doubt it will go to the ballot like CA has done.
 

Fear No Evil

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Good, then gays can get f--ked on taxes like the rest of us married people. Why do I have a feeling once gays gain the right, they won't use it? I think they want it because they can't have it, but once they realize that all it really does it cause them to pay more in taxes they won't want it anymore.

 

jonks

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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
One state at a time:thumbsup:

It just passed the legislature in VT too, waiting on the Gov to see what happens.
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/


And Sweden legalized it last week.

The house of cards against equality is collapsing. Just a matter of time. Hopefully the US will not be the only modern country who refuses to recognize it on a federal level the way we essentially stand alone among modern countries on capital punishment.

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Good

Brevity is your friend.
 

MovingTarget

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Well, look to see a ballot initiative in that state soon to amend the constitution to fix this. Just in time for the next round of congressional and/or state elections.
 

freegeeks

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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
One state at a time:thumbsup:

It just passed the legislature in VT too, waiting on the Gov to see what happens.
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/


And Sweden legalized it last week.

The house of cards against equality is collapsing. Just a matter of time. Hopefully the US will not be the only modern country who refuses to recognize it on a federal level the way we essentially stand alone among modern countries on capital punishment.

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Good

Brevity is your friend.

Sweden legalized it already years ago. The new law says that gays can also marry in church
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Well, look to see a ballot initiative in that state soon to amend the constitution to fix this. Just in time for the next round of congressional and/or state elections.

BZZZZZZZZT. Nope. Not this time. No one is stripping away civil rights at the drop of a hat this time.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlan...-in-the-heartland.html

But the process of removing basic constitutional rights by amending the constitution to strip a specified minority of such rights is, understandably, an onerous process. In Iowa, particularly onerous:

Lobbying began immediately for lawmakers to launch the long process of a constitutional amendment to define marriage as only between a man and a woman. No such legislation will be approved this session in the Iowa Senate, McCoy said. Senate Democratic Leader Mike Gronstal won?t allow it, he said. Such an amendment requires the votes of a simple majority in both the Iowa House and Iowa Senate in two consecutive sessions, followed by a passing vote of the people of Iowa.... Such a change would require approval in consecutive legislative sessions and a public vote, which means a ban would could not be put in place until at least 2012 unless lawmakers take up the issue in the next few weeks.

 

jonks

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Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
One state at a time:thumbsup:

It just passed the legislature in VT too, waiting on the Gov to see what happens.
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/


And Sweden legalized it last week.

The house of cards against equality is collapsing. Just a matter of time. Hopefully the US will not be the only modern country who refuses to recognize it on a federal level the way we essentially stand alone among modern countries on capital punishment.

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Good

Brevity is your friend.

Sweden legalized it already years ago. The new law says that gays can also marry in church

Not according to this it wasn't:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...sex_marriage_in_Sweden
 

sportage

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Good news!!!
In iOwa, the process is NOT like that in CA.
The voters can not amend the constitution wilily nilily.


PS. worth the quote.

Lobbying began immediately for lawmakers to launch the long process of a constitutional amendment to define marriage as only between a man and a woman. No such legislation will be approved this session in the Iowa Senate, McCoy said. Senate Democratic Leader Mike Gronstal won?t allow it, he said. Such an amendment requires the votes of a simple majority in both the Iowa House and Iowa Senate in two consecutive sessions, followed by a passing vote of the people of Iowa.... Such a change would require approval in consecutive legislative sessions and a public vote, which means a ban would could not be put in place until at least 2012 unless lawmakers take up the issue in the next few weeks.
 

MovingTarget

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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Well, look to see a ballot initiative in that state soon to amend the constitution to fix this. Just in time for the next round of congressional and/or state elections.

BZZZZZZZZT. Nope. Not this time. No one is stripping away civil rights at the drop of a hat this time.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlan...-in-the-heartland.html

But the process of removing basic constitutional rights by amending the constitution to strip a specified minority of such rights is, understandably, an onerous process. In Iowa, particularly onerous:

Lobbying began immediately for lawmakers to launch the long process of a constitutional amendment to define marriage as only between a man and a woman. No such legislation will be approved this session in the Iowa Senate, McCoy said. Senate Democratic Leader Mike Gronstal won?t allow it, he said. Such an amendment requires the votes of a simple majority in both the Iowa House and Iowa Senate in two consecutive sessions, followed by a passing vote of the people of Iowa.... Such a change would require approval in consecutive legislative sessions and a public vote, which means a ban would could not be put in place until at least 2012 unless lawmakers take up the issue in the next few weeks.

That just means that it will take a while, and may have to be done in spite of the current leadership. I suspect that this will cause the dems to lose quite a few seats there. Don't underestimate the popular sentiment against gay 'marriage' in this country, especially in the lower-population/agrarian states.
 

MovingTarget

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Originally posted by: freegeeks
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
One state at a time:thumbsup:

It just passed the legislature in VT too, waiting on the Gov to see what happens.
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/


And Sweden legalized it last week.

The house of cards against equality is collapsing. Just a matter of time. Hopefully the US will not be the only modern country who refuses to recognize it on a federal level the way we essentially stand alone among modern countries on capital punishment.

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Good

Brevity is your friend.

Sweden legalized it already years ago. The new law says that gays can also marry in church

Where does Sweden stand on the issue of separation of church and state? I find this a little hard to believe that their gvt would have control over actions in the church(es) like that.

*note that I am not disputing that they made it legal on a civil level...
 

sportage

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I live in Iowa...
iOwans are NOT mean spirited like Californians became.
If you're Gay and want to marry, move here... It will stick!
The ?letter to the editors? on the issue have been 90% for gay marriage
and maybe 10% against, over the past few years.
And that 10% against are usually the same few persons reposting
their hate over and over.

Its to the point in "reality land" that no one gives a hoot if the two
women living together next door are legally married.

Why do you think iOwans believe Californians are so crazzzzy...!!!
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Well, look to see a ballot initiative in that state soon to amend the constitution to fix this. Just in time for the next round of congressional and/or state elections.

BZZZZZZZZT. Nope. Not this time. No one is stripping away civil rights at the drop of a hat this time.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlan...-in-the-heartland.html

But the process of removing basic constitutional rights by amending the constitution to strip a specified minority of such rights is, understandably, an onerous process. In Iowa, particularly onerous:

Lobbying began immediately for lawmakers to launch the long process of a constitutional amendment to define marriage as only between a man and a woman. No such legislation will be approved this session in the Iowa Senate, McCoy said. Senate Democratic Leader Mike Gronstal won?t allow it, he said. Such an amendment requires the votes of a simple majority in both the Iowa House and Iowa Senate in two consecutive sessions, followed by a passing vote of the people of Iowa.... Such a change would require approval in consecutive legislative sessions and a public vote, which means a ban would could not be put in place until at least 2012 unless lawmakers take up the issue in the next few weeks.

They passed the amendment in neighboring Nebraska with flying colors a few years back. Don't underestimate the redneck hate.
 

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For real fun today, make sure to check in on all the right wing sites, they are going insane.
 

Craig234

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Good for Iowa's Supreme Court Justices - it's always good to see when the law and justice are not destroyed by politics. Now, we'll see how Iowans do with it - hopefully well.

Sadly, the CA Supreme Court will be announcing its decision soon, and predictions are that they're likely to leave the ban in place, except possibly for 16,000 existing gay couples.

This is great news for our nation to have its first Mid-western state end this discrimination.
 

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http://www.desmoinesregister.c...20090403/NEWS/90403010

Craig Overton's jaw dropped when he heard the news. He's opposed to same-sex
marriage, he said. Overton, of Pleasant Hill, had been carrying signs before the result was known. He was stunned to hear the news; his arm holding the signs dropped until the signs were resting on the sidewalk.

?I don?t want this taught in schools,? Overton said. ?Animals don?t do that. I don?t like it. I have small children, and I just don?t think this is right. I think the people ought to be allowed to vote on this instead of letting just a few people make all the rules.?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Really? I guess this guy has never owned a dog ;)
 

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Originally posted by: aphex
http://www.desmoinesregister.c...20090403/NEWS/90403010

Craig Overton's jaw dropped when he heard the news. He's opposed to same-sex
marriage, he said. Overton, of Pleasant Hill, had been carrying signs before the result was known. He was stunned to hear the news; his arm holding the signs dropped until the signs were resting on the sidewalk.

?I don?t want this taught in schools,? Overton said. ?Animals don?t do that. I don?t like it. I have small children, and I just don?t think this is right. I think the people ought to be allowed to vote on this instead of letting just a few people make all the rules.?

AHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Really? I guess this guy has never owned a dog ;)

Or a penguin.
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Good, then gays can get f--ked on taxes like the rest of us married people. Why do I have a feeling once gays gain the right, they won't use it? I think they want it because they can't have it, but once they realize that all it really does it cause them to pay more in taxes they won't want it anymore.

as usual your outlook is f&%$#$ up!!!
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Well, look to see a ballot initiative in that state soon to amend the constitution to fix this. Just in time for the next round of congressional and/or state elections.

BZZZZZZZZT. Nope. Not this time. No one is stripping away civil rights at the drop of a hat this time.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlan...-in-the-heartland.html

But the process of removing basic constitutional rights by amending the constitution to strip a specified minority of such rights is, understandably, an onerous process. In Iowa, particularly onerous:

Lobbying began immediately for lawmakers to launch the long process of a constitutional amendment to define marriage as only between a man and a woman. No such legislation will be approved this session in the Iowa Senate, McCoy said. Senate Democratic Leader Mike Gronstal won?t allow it, he said. Such an amendment requires the votes of a simple majority in both the Iowa House and Iowa Senate in two consecutive sessions, followed by a passing vote of the people of Iowa.... Such a change would require approval in consecutive legislative sessions and a public vote, which means a ban would could not be put in place until at least 2012 unless lawmakers take up the issue in the next few weeks.

They passed the amendment in neighboring Nebraska with flying colors a few years back. Don't underestimate the redneck hate.

I was referring to it happening "soon". I think in 4 years of living with gay marriage and the state not collapsing into anarchy that not enough "rednecks" will be able to get together to retroactively annul gay couples who will have at that point been married for 4 years. That's some cold shit. Even the CA SC which is likely to uphold Prop 8 is not likely to annul the marriages performed while same sex marriage was legal.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: sportage
I live in Iowa...
iOwans are NOT mean spirited like Californians became.
If you're Gay and want to marry, move here... It will stick!
The ?letter to the editors? on the issue have been 90% for gay marriage
and maybe 10% against, over the past few years.
And that 10% against are usually the same few persons reposting
their hate over and over.

Its to the point in "reality land" that no one gives a hoot if the two
women living together next door are legally married.

Why do you think iOwans believe Californians are so crazzzzy...!!!

:laugh: And you think the letter to the editor numbers accurately reflect iowan opinion? Did you forget how iowa newspapers operate? :laugh:

Anyway, I don't necessarily have a problem with the practical outcome of this, except for the process taken and broadness of the ruling. There is a good possibility that the judges have overstepped their bounds by stating what they have. The ruling about constitutionality is within bounds - the rest? maybe not so much.

Oh, and this issue has NOTHING to do with "civil rights". Marriage is not a "right" - never has been and never will be. It just seems people love to put this issue in those terms so it gains more importance than it likely deserves.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Good for Iowa's Supreme Court Justices - it's always good to see when the law and justice are not destroyed by politics.

Naive much? Anyone paying attention knew what the outcome was going to be due to the politics of the situation and the court's make-up. For anyone to think there was no politics in this shows how naive or totally uninformed they are.
 

Thump553

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My state's (CT) supreme court issued a similar ruling last year. After about three days of headlines and talk show nuttiness, the issue has pretty much totally faded away. There was no vast public cry of outrage here, and life has gone on as normal (except the economy, of course). The only really remaining issue is a proposed exemption for wedding caterers, photographers, ministers, etc. to permit them to decline to participate in gay wedding ceremonies without violating our anti-discrimination laws-which exemption is almost certain to pass.

Even our Republican governor didn't pretend any outrage over the situation.