BREAKING NEWS!!! BOEING WINS BIG IN INDIA!

[Passions]

Boeing Statement on Air India 777 and 787 Announcement
In response to today?s announcement by Air India, Boeing today released the following statement:

SEATTLE, April 26, 2005?Boeing is pleased that Air India has announced its intention to purchase five 777-200LR, 10 777-300ER, and 20 787-8 airplanes, with options to buy three additional 777-200LR Worldliners, five 777-300ERs, and seven 787-8 Dreamliners at a later date.

The 777-200LR Worldliner and 777-300ER are two long-range airplanes that offer Air India flexibility in serving non-stop routes that its passengers demand. The 777-200LR will enable Air India to provide ultra-long range, nonstop flights between any airports in India and the United States. The 777-300ER is the ideal airplane to replace the airline?s current fleet of 747-200 airplanes because it offers Air India comparable capacity with twin-aisle efficiency.

The 787-8 Dreamliner is the right choice for Air India to replace its aging A310 fleet. With its innovations, the 787 will allow Air India to open new nonstop routes such as Delhi-New York and Mumbai ? San Francisco economically, while offering passengers unprecedented comfort.

We look forward to working with Air India to complete the process for bringing 777s and 787s in the Air India fleet.



WOOOOOOHOO!!! :thumbsdown: AIRBOOOOOOOOS.

 

[athithi]

Heh, a question of style, I suppose

 

[dmcowen674]

Doesn't say whether the planes will be built in India or the U.S.

4-26-2005 Air India board approves purchase of 50 Boeing aircraft

 

[Czar]

GOOOOO PECKERS!!!!!

or some other sports team
just trying to fit within the sports theme of the op

 

[Passions]

Originally posted by: Czar
GOOOOO PECKERS!!!!!

or some other sports team
just trying to fit within the sports theme of the op

WHERE ARE YOUR PATRIOTIC DUTIES!!

 

[Stunt]

Good to hear.
Boeing really needed more deals, their commercial jet division has been hurting for quite some time.
With Airbus's dominence of this sector more recently, it is nice to see some more serious competition again.

 

[Passions]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Good to hear.
Boeing really needed more deals, their commercial jet division has been hurting for quite some time.
With Airbus's dominence of this sector more recently, it is nice to see some more serious competition again.

:thumbsup:

 

[Stunt]

Air Canada made a large order with Boeing as well.
Air Canada
$6B deal, bringing the total to 217 planes in orders/commitments of the 787.

 

[K1052]

Well the promise of lower operating costs seems to be luring quite a few buyers years before the 787's first flight and full scale production.

Interesting.

 

[Stunt]

Doing a little research, i came across these sites on boeing's and airbus's websites:
Boeing
Airbus (see excel)

For 2005:
Boeing: 65 orders, 70 deliveries.
Airbus: 123 orders, 87 deliveries.

Interesting to see the numbers on a macro scale rather than hyping up eachindividual order.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: Czar
GOOOOO PECKERS!!!!!

or some other sports team
just trying to fit within the sports theme of the op

WHERE ARE YOUR PATRIOTIC DUTIES!!

RAWR!

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Doing a little research, i came across these sites on boeing's and airbus's websites:
Boeing
Airbus (see excel)

For 2005:
Boeing: 65 orders, 70 deliveries.
Airbus: 123 orders, 87 deliveries.

Interesting to see the numbers on a macro scale rather than hyping up eachindividual order.

IIRC, the 787 has over 200 orders in total and the plane is nowhere near flying yet.

 

[Stunt]

yes, and the A380 has 139 orders. I have no idea how Boeing/Airbus keep track of orders/deliveries.
Perhaps they are the orders set to be produced this year.
It would make no sense for Boeing to claim orders for 2005 when they cannot make the plane yet.

 

[Stunt]

Keep in mind the price of the 787 is $125m, whereas the A380 is $275m.
To make up for the price difference, i'd hope boeing can make more than twice as many 787's compared to A380's.

 

[K1052]

I think they talk in total numbers unless there is a specific deal happening.

Also I think Boeing finally caught Airbus with their pants down on this one. Hence, Airbus pushing the A350 which is getting a rather lukewarm reception.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Keep in mind the price of the 787 is $125m, whereas the A380 is $275m.
To make up for the price difference, i'd hope boeing can make more than twice as many 787's compared to A380's.

They are different planes for different uses, IMO. I am sure Boeing is taking a hit on 747 sales as a result.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Boeing is set up as a Final Assy house in Washington state, with subcontract part suppliers around the country & world.

The pipeline is long - in both distance & time span, some parts have over a 2 year lead to delivery.

Not sure what may be subcontracted to India as an incentive, probably not hardware parts,
but instruction booklets & flight manuals are a possibility.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Boeing is set up as a Final Assy house in Washington state, with subcontract part suppliers around the country & world.

The pipeline is long - in both distance & time span, some parts have over a 2 year lead to delivery.

Not sure what may be subcontracted to India as an incentive, probably not hardware parts,
but instruction booklets & flight manuals are a possibility.

I remember seeing a show on Boeing some time back where they said nearly the only thing they make in house at the plant is wiring. Everything else comes from the subs and they don't warehouse anything. Every part, supposedly, comes in as it is needed.

 

[Stunt]

They are different planes for different uses. Airbus has made large planes to go hub to hub and smaller planes for flying out of the hubs. Boeing's strategy is a bunch of small planes to go point to point, medium city to medium city, direct flights. We have yet to see which method is more cost effective for airlines, I'm sure they are doing much research on this. IMO any airline that owns a hub of somesort will want A380's and smaller airlines will want 787's. The 747 will take a massive hit, they are a half-assed A380, nobody will buy them, it's cheaper to operate an A380 and can fit more passengers. Plus you have the luxury factor for the trans-pacific flights.

In the end you have two planes that carry people, airbus can eat into boeing's market with smaller planes flying out of hubs, but boeing can't touch airbus's hub to hub market without excessive, inefficient use of many planes.

 

[Moonbeam]

Hurray for America and those great American patriotic companies like BOEING

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Boeing is set up as a Final Assy house in Washington state, with subcontract part suppliers around the country & world.

The pipeline is long - in both distance & time span, some parts have over a 2 year lead to delivery.

Not sure what may be subcontracted to India as an incentive, probably not hardware parts,
but instruction booklets & flight manuals are a possibility.

Thanks, I remember something about the HQ's and the Execs were moved out of Washington but did not know the fate of the Manufacturing Facility.

 

[Rainsford]

I think this is good for Boeing, and what would also be good for them is having a small plane for shorter flights to compete with the A320. Right now that is the 737, and while they work fine at the moment, the A320 is a lot newer, and I'm seeing it replacing the 737 on those shorter flights. Flying out of Des Moines (a truly sad "international airport"), I fly a lot of shorter flights to some hub like Denver or Chicago. Those flights are 737s or A320s, slowly moving towards the latter. Seems like this is a big market that Boeing is goign to get kicked out of if they aren't careful.

 

[Stunt]

Moonbeam, i understand your point, Passions is definately playing the patriotic card with the whole boeing thing.
But the real question you should be asking is: If the US didnt outsource any business to india, do you think air india would be buying 50 of these aircraft? Also do you think the price of the jets would be able to compete against Airbus who also outsources many of their parts?

Fact is outsourcing allows for cheaper planes, more volumes, cheaper plane tictets, more jobs at home for the tourism industry, aerospace industry.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Passions

Originally posted by: Czar
GOOOOO PECKERS!!!!!

or some other sports team
just trying to fit within the sports theme of the op

WHERE ARE YOUR PATRIOTIC DUTIES!!

I'm all for US companies doing well, but what kind of capitalist would I be if I supported them on anything besides merits? If Boeing can compete on the merits of their product, I'm happy. But if they can't, they deserve the lose. That's how the game is played.

 

[BeauJangles]

I'm all for US companies doing well, but what kind of capitalist would I be if I supported them on anything besides merits? If Boeing can compete on the merits of their product, I'm happy. But if they can't, they deserve the lose. That's how the game is played.

Well said