Breaking news! Bin-Laden worked with Saddam!

[Conky]

This is HUGE news.

Here's your smoking gun if it's true.

 

[Moonbeam]

But you better believe that more information like this will be coming out.
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Hehe, regardless of how smart I think I am, I could never match that. Were you working for Saddam and actually make the documents or are you just blustering out of a fear of being wrong?

 

[BaDaBooM]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Were you working for Saddam...

I wouldn't be surprised if you are.

 

[Alistar7]

Do we need to go through all the threads and call out the ones who cried about no links to Al-Queeda or WMD? I was pretty satisfied he worked with terrorists, but how lovely it has been proven he did have a thing with OBL.

Where is PhillyTim? Sandorski? All the US and Bush haters, everyone who said Bush's reasons where BS?

Your silence is long overdue anyway....

 

[Moonbeam]

You almost think the believers were really doubters in hiding. God how transparent people are and yet they never seem to see.

 

[Alistar7]

I remember many names, would be happy to pull a few threads and link them up....

Pretty sure you won't find anyhting that doesn't support my gloating, but feel free to check and of my posts and good luck.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
Am I the only one who would like more info on this? When the bush admin was talking about iraq supporting terrorism, I envisioned a Taliban-like support, not what they describe in th articles.

The big question remains: did Saddam and bin Laden have a close relationship where they worked to hurt the US, or was there a single meeting between their underlings before bin Laden became America's most wanted man?

IMO, only the latter would be a justification for the war.

No matter what they find, it won't be enough for (people like) you. Seems you forgot all about Saddam's agents know as the "Strikers."

Answer me this: Does the article say that saddam supported osama like the Taliban did? To me it says that they had a meeting 5 months before OBL became the #1 fugitive.


But what happened after that? Did Saddam decide the risk of helping OBL was too great and never had any contact after that, or did he decide to suport OBL in the bombing of the USS Cole and in 9/11?

First you were skeptical that there was any connection. Then when they showed you a connection, you became picky (Taliban-like support? come on). The fact is, Saddam has numerous connection with terrorist organizations. Hamas and the PLA come to mind immediately. The reason why they tried to keep the Iraq-bin Laden affair a low profile is because the US is no Israel. It has (as Saddam found out later on) the capacity to topple outlaw regimes. Who knows how far Saddam and bin Laden went. But you better believe that more information like this will be coming out.

exactly my point. I don't know how far they went, but niether do you. The reason I am "picky" is because there is a huge difference between having a conversation while OBL was still somewhat obscure and supporting him, knowing he would target the US.

 

[Alistar7]

The point is these meetings were part of the links Bush claimed, and he was right. Just as he was about the WMD.

After seeing him and the US get so trashed lately its nice to see, although I dont really care for him too much.

I wish we could review all the threads from this.

 

[Siwy]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
The point is these meetings were part of the links Bush claimed, and he was right. Just as he was about the WMD.

After seeing him and the US get so trashed lately its nice to see, although I dont really care for him too much.

I wish we could review all the threads from this.

Meeting between al-Qaeda and Saddam's regime in 1998 does not prove anything. Maybe after that meeting the relationship (if there was any) broke off and there was no further communication between the two. No one knows anything about that yet, so hold your horses. A while ago CIA was also in contact with bin Laden, so what?

Also, what do you mean Bush was right about WMD...did I miss it and WMD were found already? Can you post some links? Thanks.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Siwy

Originally posted by: Alistar7
The point is these meetings were part of the links Bush claimed, and he was right. Just as he was about the WMD.

After seeing him and the US get so trashed lately its nice to see, although I dont really care for him too much.

I wish we could review all the threads from this.

Meeting between al-Qaeda and Saddam's regime in 1998 does not prove anything. Maybe after that meeting the relationship (if there was any) broke off and there was no further communication between the two. No one knows anything about that yet, so hold your horses. A while ago CIA was also in contact with bin Laden, so what?

Also, what do you mean Bush was right about WMD...did I miss it and WMD were found already? Can you post some links? Thanks.

you think bin laden decided to fly two planes into the WTC on September 10, 2001? No. Operations like that take years. I'm guessing the 9/11 attacks took 4-5 years in the making. Their 1998 would fall within the timeframe of bin Laden eventually deciding to execute his diabolical plan.

 

[Gaard]

<<Also, what do you mean Bush was right about WMD...did I miss it and WMD were found already? Can you post some links? Thanks.>>

Yes. Please provide some kind of link that supports what you say.

 

[LunarRay]

You all seem to think that if one side says something it will be true and if the other side challenges it then they are liberals... or worse.

Try first to remember that almost always when "Oversight Committees" of the Congress get Government Officials before them that the truth is hard to come by... A specific case in point is regarding the '91 gulf war and the existance of Chem and Bio weapons... The government swore left and right... no such thing existed... They wouldn't have to deal with all the soldiers growing ill from the affects... UNTIL not only was sufficient evidence brought forward but actual photos of USA made Chem weapons taken by an EDO crew... All this was under oath.. so I don't believe anything that anyone says that is self serving... If you do because it fits your predetermined alligence to one side or the other... then ... well... Reality will be long in the comming... I suppose.

 

[BaDaBooM]

Gaard and others, they are talking about it in this thread.

 

[Siwy]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Siwy

Originally posted by: Alistar7
The point is these meetings were part of the links Bush claimed, and he was right. Just as he was about the WMD.

After seeing him and the US get so trashed lately its nice to see, although I dont really care for him too much.

I wish we could review all the threads from this.

Meeting between al-Qaeda and Saddam's regime in 1998 does not prove anything. Maybe after that meeting the relationship (if there was any) broke off and there was no further communication between the two. No one knows anything about that yet, so hold your horses. A while ago CIA was also in contact with bin Laden, so what?

Also, what do you mean Bush was right about WMD...did I miss it and WMD were found already? Can you post some links? Thanks.

you think bin laden decided to fly two planes into the WTC on September 10, 2001? No. Operations like that take years. I'm guessing the 9/11 attacks took 4-5 years in the making. Their 1998 would fall within the timeframe of bin Laden eventually deciding to execute his diabolical plan.

There is no proof whatsoever that Suddam helped bin Laden with 9/11 attack. All we know from this document is that al-Qaeda met with Iraqis in1998. Period.

Additionally, the way the documents came into reporter's hands is questionable since all newspapers report different things. Look at my posts above for more details.

Once we get definitive proof that al-Qaeda and Saddam were a present threat to US or that Saddam helped al-Qaeda with 9/11, I will bow my head and admit that you were right. So far you're simply speculating.

 

[Siwy]

Originally posted by: BaDaBooM
Gaard and others, they are talking about it in this thread.

From the same artice:
"Since the collapse of Saddam Hussein's regime, there have been several reports of possible chemical weapons finds, none of which are known to have panned out.
Initial tests by Army equipment are designed to favor a positive reading, erring on the side of caution to protect soldiers. Further, more sophisticated tests will be necessary to determine whether the find is evidence of an illegal weapons program."

<sarcasm>Yeah, sounds like a definitive proof to me.</sarcasm>

It shows what kind of effect media has on na&iuml;ve people. Fox says that chemical weapons might have been found, in that same article they say it still needs more tests just like the previous finds that didn't pan out, and all of a sudden people go around using it as proof of WMD in Iraq.

 

[Moonbeam]

Rummy, you keep um focused on WMD and terrorism and we'll get the oil.

 

[TheWart]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Rummy, you keep um focused on WMD and terrorism and we'll get the oil.

No, I think we are going to let Russia and France keep it.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Rummy, you keep um focused on WMD and terrorism and we'll get the oil.

LOL. Remember when they would say that the Democrats are trying to scare seniors, Bush is trying to scare all Americans with his crazy color bars and panic speeches. Screw the economy and everything else, go buy duct tape and plastic.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Rummy, you keep um focused on WMD and terrorism and we'll get the oil.

LOL. Remember when they would say that the Democrats are trying to scare seniors, Bush is trying to scare all Americans with his crazy color bars and panic speeches. Screw the economy and everything else, go buy duct tape and plastic.

Re: the duct tape and plastic... My house is a bit well.... just not able to use that defensive method so we went up to Von's and got their plastic bags to put on our heads and tape around our necks... It works too... of course you can't use it unless you are specifically trained as a Special Weapons person. Well.... I'm not sure what caused all the like minded people to pass out... but, it worked on the small scale... and it should work on the large scale.

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Rummy, you keep um focused on WMD and terrorism and we'll get the oil.

LOL. Remember when they would say that the Democrats are trying to scare seniors, Bush is trying to scare all Americans with his crazy color bars and panic speeches. Screw the economy and everything else, go buy duct tape and plastic.

Of course, because Sept. 11th was a government hoax, and we haven't apprehended more than a few terrorists on U.S. soil planning on carrying out additional attacks. It's all scare tactics.

 

[Moonbeam]

Now now, Andrew, just because I'm paranoie doesn't mean their not out to get me, and just because there are plenty of cunning Republicans or 'fill in the blands' that are manipulating people's fears doesn't mean there are no legitimate dangers.

 

[jbond04]

Originally posted by: Siwy
According to this Telegraph article, there was only one Journalist with an interpreter, who sweet talked his way into the building and only discovered the document once he started looking through the whole bag of the documents (that he has apparently stolen) back at his hotel.

You really don't see anything fishy about this?

Actually, your report from the Toronto Star tells of how Inigo Gilmore of The Sunday Telegraph, Mitch Potter of the Toronto Star, and a translator, Amir, all traveled in together. The Telegraph article tells the same story sans names. The other news stories that you link deal with different intelligence papers altogether. So no, nothing appears fishy at all. If anything, your post earlier that linked several news stories is very misleading...without actually reading the stories, you make it appear that several different journalists claim to have found the same paper, when in reality, the three people I mentioned above were the only ones who discovered it.

The only thing I find curious is why they would let reporters into such an important building. But so far, nothing appears bogus about this report.

 

[Siwy]

Originally posted by: jbond04

Originally posted by: Siwy
According to this Telegraph article, there was only one Journalist with an interpreter, who sweet talked his way into the building and only discovered the document once he started looking through the whole bag of the documents (that he has apparently stolen) back at his hotel.

You really don't see anything fishy about this?

Actually, your report from the Toronto Star tells of how Inigo Gilmore of The Sunday Telegraph, Mitch Potter of the Toronto Star, and a translator, Amir, all traveled in together. The Telegraph article tells the same story sans names. The other news stories that you link deal with different intelligence papers altogether. So no, nothing appears fishy at all. If anything, your post earlier that linked several news stories is very misleading...without actually reading the stories, you make it appear that several different journalists claim to have found the same paper, when in reality, the three people I mentioned above were the only ones who discovered it.

The only thing I find curious is why they would let reporters into such an important building. But so far, nothing appears bogus about this report.

You are right, they are talking about different documents, thanks for pointing that out.

Now I just have to go smack my friend in the head for pointing out these articles and misleading me.

 

[Alistar7]

anyone requesting links to WMD please read the thread "N.Y. Times: Iraqi Biological Weapons Scientist Admits He Lied To U.N. Inspectors" Taken from the mouth of the man himself, any "evidence" you have to dipute this would be great for the debate over WMD. Please, elighten me.....

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm so worried about Bush getting impeached for an illegal lying war I'll believe anything that even smells like it could be a WMD.