Breaking news! Bin-Laden worked with Saddam!

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I'm so worried about Bush getting impeached for an illegal lying war I'll believe anything that even smells like it could be a WMD.

How can he be impeached for an "illegal war" if he was already the "illegal president?

If we don't find any WMD then I'll step up to the lunch line labeled "CROW"....right along side the people who said that there was NO link between Al-Qaeda and Saddam

CkG

 

[laFiera]

hmm..i just find this funny:

"Iraqi intelligence documents discovered in Baghdad by The Telegraph..."


"Top-secret Iraqi intelligence documents, unearthed by the Toronto Star in the bombed-out ..."


Documents ? most marked "top secret" ? were discovered by ABCNEWS in the basements and offices .....


and it goes on and on and on...
hmm...the question is...who really found the documents??
well, last time i checked it was me!!!

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: laFiera
hmm..i just find this funny:

"Iraqi intelligence documents discovered in Baghdad by The Telegraph..."


"Top-secret Iraqi intelligence documents, unearthed by the Toronto Star in the bombed-out ..."


Documents ? most marked "top secret" ? were discovered by ABCNEWS in the basements and offices .....


and it goes on and on and on...
hmm...the question is...who really found the documents??
well, last time i checked it was me!!!

You didn't read the thread did you?

Please reread your 3 links and then report back in

CkG

 

[ConclamoLudus]

Finding these is good news. The worst thing, for anybody concerned, would be that we don't find anything, which it would seem some people on this thread would prefer. It is in everyone's best interest that we find WMD's and that we find a link to terrorism.

Even if you can't wait for a democrat for president, he's going to have to deal with the Middle East, and America's credibility as a whole is at risk, not just George W. Bush's credibility or republican credibility. Just some food for thought, we should all be hoping the connections are found.

The only people who's interests would be served if we don't find WMD's would be the terrorists that may have made off with them. Unless you believe they never existed, in which case, do some research.

 

[laFiera]

i'm reporting back...

everyone seems to be finding out secret documents, and at the end of the day, after surfing cnn, foxnews, abc, cbs, blah blah, the general population remembers is that some documents found somewhere by some newspaper gives the evidence that bin laden was tied to hussein or whatever the case might be.

The general population i have noticed doesnt have the time, or care to have the time, to research the articles, or for that matter go to international sites and read the news in different languages; therefore what i hear in the break rooms is "but didnt they find the evidence the other day? that's what the news said"; j

Just like the wmd's; at 8am is reported in the breaking news that possible wmds were found in some bunker. AT 11pm the news report "..oh, those breaking news earlier today, were just a false alarm. "



Bin Laden's name appears three times in the handwritten file, with each reference clumsily concealed with white-out correction fluid and then blackened with ink, the Toronto Star wrote.

Yes indeed, this is the type of evidence that seals the whole case! Now that we established the connection let's go find those elusive wmds in syria, or was it iran, or was it jordan....it eludes my mind...

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I'm so worried about Bush getting impeached for an illegal lying war I'll believe anything that even smells like it could be a WMD.

I get your drift, your as suble as a rock.

don't have any love for Bush, think he's a jackass personally.

Admissions from the man who had more access than anyone here about the WMD is good enough. I'm sure this is not the end and will lead to more finds.


laFiera, according to Iraqi scientists, much was given to Syria, just to remind you of the actual facts at hand, they seem to be eluding your grasp.

 

[laFiera]

laFiera, according to Iraqi scientists, much was given to Syria, just to remind you of the actual facts at hand, they seem to be eluding your grasp.

Oh yes Ali, and those iraqi scientists, are they the same iraqi scientists that said iraq had Wmd's before the war??? oh, i forget, the wmds were given to syria right before the war....

 

[Alistar7]

N.Y. Times: Iraqi Biological Weapons Scientist Admits He Lied To U.N. Inspectors

I was talking about the Iraqi scientists who surrendered and volunteered that information. Supposedly the tranfers to Syria began in the mid to late 90's actually. The link above is about the WMD you seem to have a problem believing ever existed.

If you can't provide anything other than childish repsonses to back your posts, don't bother...

 

[laFiera]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
N.Y. Times: Iraqi Biological Weapons Scientist Admits He Lied To U.N. Inspectors

I was talking about the Iraqi scientists who surrendered and volunteered that information. Supposedly the tranfers to Syria began in the mid to late 90's actually. The link above is about the WMD you seem to have a problem believing ever existed.

If you can't provide anything other than childish repsonses to back your posts, don't bother...

Mr. Ali, in my posts i never said the wmd's never existed. But since the war was based on the imminent threat that these weapons presented, and now that they can't to be found, that's where the problem of credibility lies.
Also interesting to note that the link you provided does mention the syria link. But also interesting that the scientist mentioned in the article left the program in 89, and the article says that after that time, dr hindawi 'no longer had firsthand knowledge of the programs...."
"...but he said he was not aware of syrian-iraqi cooperation on unconventional weapons....."

 

[Moonbeam]

I'll say it again:

A month ago: Oh God please don't let Saddam have WMD.

Today: Please oh please God let Saddam have WMD.

 

[Phokus]

Don't forget the Nigerian documents that the US had proving Iraq bought nuclear materials from Nigeria were forged.

 

[Alistar7]

Interesting, here is the direct quote from that article about his employment.

Dr. Hindawi, imprisoned during the final weeks of Saddam Hussein's rule, is now free to talk about his experiences in the program, in which he says he was forced to work from 1986 to 1989 and again sporadically until the mid-1990's.

He returned to the program in a different capacity in 1992, when international inspectors from the United Nations Special Commission, or Unscom, were arriving to ensure that Iraqi officials were complying with their country's pledge to give up chemical, germ and nuclear weapons. He said military officials had asked him to tell inspectors that he was the head of a single-cell protein facility. The plant, in fact, had made botulinum toxin and anthrax.



So you didnt even read the article, and didnt read my post obviously. The Syrian allegations were made by Iraqi scientists who surrendered and volunteered that information just weeks ago.

I read your posts about WMD, terrorists, Syria, Jordan, I know what you were TRYING to do. The fact is the reasons Bush gave were legitimate and the facts are slowly proving it more and more everyday, don't worry you will get a chance to cast your vote, at least you can still do that with all the bias you like.

Ignore the facts, fine, I can ignore you just as easily, certainly one is far more relevant than the other...

 

[Moonbeam]

I assume this has been posted.

 

[Alistar7]

a link to the guardian, woohoo. Their OPINION is noted, doesnt change the fact meetings were arranged by iraq and took place. You think they left a solid paper trail for EVERYTHING they did?

 

[Moonbeam]

Alistar, I don't know what connections are implied by the documents and you don't either. I find your gullibility and desire to believe appalling, that's all.

 

[Alistar7]

Well I find your refusal to accept the fact that you were wrong about something rather typical.

There is a link, that's all I ever stated. I could state otherwise and claim it to be true, but it wouldn't make the facts disappear. Was I wrong in stating there was a link, nope, Unless you have anything substantial that disproves the evidence at hand all your doing is wasting your breath and showing your ass.

 

[laFiera]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Interesting, here is the direct quote from that article about his employment.

Dr. Hindawi, imprisoned during the final weeks of Saddam Hussein's rule, is now free to talk about his experiences in the program, in which he says he was forced to work from 1986 to 1989 and again sporadically until the mid-1990's.

He returned to the program in a different capacity in 1992, when international inspectors from the United Nations Special Commission, or Unscom, were arriving to ensure that Iraqi officials were complying with their country's pledge to give up chemical, germ and nuclear weapons. He said military officials had asked him to tell inspectors that he was the head of a single-cell protein facility. The plant, in fact, had made botulinum toxin and anthrax.


...

and i'm sure you read this part of the artcle:

Even so, he added, there is little need for concern if American military teams hunting for unconventional weapons stumble across such stockpiles. The arsenals would have degraded quickly, he maintains.

"Even if it's all kept until now, don't worry about it," he said.



I did read your post, and i did read the article, and i never said wmd's didn't exist..yet you assumed all of those--keep on the assumptions coming!!!

 

[jbond04]

Originally posted by: laFiera
hmm..i just find this funny:

"Iraqi intelligence documents discovered in Baghdad by The Telegraph..."


"Top-secret Iraqi intelligence documents, unearthed by the Toronto Star in the bombed-out ..."


Documents ? most marked "top secret" ? were discovered by ABCNEWS in the basements and offices .....


and it goes on and on and on...
hmm...the question is...who really found the documents??
well, last time i checked it was me!!!

You obviously didn't read my last post...scroll up and read it...it should make things a little more clear.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: laFiera

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Interesting, here is the direct quote from that article about his employment.

Dr. Hindawi, imprisoned during the final weeks of Saddam Hussein's rule, is now free to talk about his experiences in the program, in which he says he was forced to work from 1986 to 1989 and again sporadically until the mid-1990's.

He returned to the program in a different capacity in 1992, when international inspectors from the United Nations Special Commission, or Unscom, were arriving to ensure that Iraqi officials were complying with their country's pledge to give up chemical, germ and nuclear weapons. He said military officials had asked him to tell inspectors that he was the head of a single-cell protein facility. The plant, in fact, had made botulinum toxin and anthrax.


I did read your post, and i did read the article---proving your assumptions wrong since that's what you seem to love to do!

and i'm sure you read this part of the artcle:

Even so, he added, there is little need for concern if American military teams hunting for unconventional weapons stumble across such stockpiles. The arsenals would have degraded quickly, he maintains.

"Even if it's all kept until now, don't worry about it," he said.

...

What ASSUMPTIONS did I make. I stated there was the evidence of their programs and noncompliance, which it is. You are so naive its ridiculous though. You think he was the only one who ever made anything? You think they never made anything new, knowing they expired?
Maybe you should stop quoting things out of context, what was before what you quoted?

"He said that while he worked in the program or was ordered to brief the inspectors on it, Iraq made 8.9 cubic meters of concentrated liquid anthrax, one of the deadliest and most durable germ weapons, and even larger quantities of botulinum toxin, one of the most lethal poisons.

Even so, he added, there is little need for concern if American military teams hunting for unconventional weapons stumble across such stockpiles. The arsenals would have degraded quickly, he maintains."

So AFTER he left they could have made no more? He was only talking about a few specific things he worked on years ago that would have been expired by now, not their entire WMD programs. Where was the mention ofthe nerve gas and mustard gas? Do you even know the "shelf life" for those?

You havent proven anything except possesion of a narrow mind. I liked you better when you were joking about the WMD as if it was some excuse Bush made up, now youre trying to twist the facts, it's rather sad now, he was commenting on how he never produced powdered anthrax for them and was PERSONALLY not aware if they had, because he left the SCIENCE div in 1989, not the program as you fail to realize.


"Several United Nations inspectors questioned his assertion that Iraq had not made a powdered form of anthrax. They said that in 1989 Iraq imported two drying ovens that could have made powdered anthrax and that at least one other senior scientist in the program appeared to know the required techniques.

But Dr. Hindawi says that if Iraq made such a weapon, it did so after he left the scientific wing of the program in 1989."

"Though he no longer had firsthand knowledge of the program after that, he said, he kept up on its progress through his students, some of whom stayed in the program until the war began last month. American officials are hunting for several, including Rihab Taha, the microbiologist who reportedly headed the germ weapons program and is known in the West as Dr. Death, and Huda Salih Mahdi Ammash, a senior scientist and Baath Party regional command member who is the only woman on America's most wanted list.

Although there has been no public word from American authorities on their whereabouts, Dr. Hindawi said that he had been told that both women were hiding in Syria, as other Iraqi scientists, Baath Party members and military officers are said to be. But he said he was not aware of Syrian-Iraqi cooperation on unconventional weapons. Iraqi scientists built their germ warfare program themselves, he said."

thought you said there was no mention of Syria, your quoting out of context and complete miss on that suggest you merely trolled for anything to substaniate your worthless claims.
Are those WMD, no, they are scientists who can make them though, funny their historical enemy is helping them nowadays isnt it?



And now I'm done with you. Good day.

 

[LunarRay]

As everyone knows a fact is a truth... when links supporting one position or another do not agree then one must question which one is factless and which is fact... I think all this OBL and WMD stuff can be distilled down to; Seems reasonable for OBL to have connections with Saddam if only through agents and WMD may be what he sought... and Saddam may have or had WMD but, the issue is so what.. if this is meaningless now... Ok we're still focused on the invasion and all the underlying issues that Bush propounded to garner support to violate the UN charter... Try to get past that part first given that all the players at the UN had foreknowledge of the allegations and no doubt found them viable... If they uncover a zillion WMD muntions then thats nice... but, it still don't get you to invade...

At this point if they are found those entrenched in their belief that this is a fraud will not concede the larger point, which is the underlying strategic issue of oil and the New World Order theory. Those who are otherwise entrenched will say "See I told you so" and won't visit the possibility that there is almost always reasons other than those presented for any foreign action... There has to be... you cant let the cat out of the bag ever... if you do ... well sorta like why did Iraq have chem weapons with US markings and lot numbers... to make a fast buck....? there were underlying issues that have surfaced in part and I'm sure others that never will.... OPEN THY MIND and THINK!!! Or accept what gives you the warm and fuzzies... and steadfastly defend the position but at least consider what may be afoot... develope your own hypothesis.... They're just people too...

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Well I find your refusal to accept the fact that you were wrong about something rather typical.

There is a link, that's all I ever stated. I could state otherwise and claim it to be true, but it wouldn't make the facts disappear. Was I wrong in stating there was a link, nope, Unless you have anything substantial that disproves the evidence at hand all your doing is wasting your breath and showing your ass.

You've been wrong about almost every claim you've made on these forums, dude. Everytime a possible smoking gun is discovered you shout out "Look! I told you so!". And in the end, they've ALL been discarded as false alarms.

Now you're going hog wild over this Iraqi scientist who says he lied in the past, but he's telling the truth now. Really Alistar, for your sake I hope this guy is telling the truth, and we can somehow get some verification on what he says. Otherwise you're going to be eating crow casserole for a month.

Just for fun, why don't you go thru your posts (just since the war started), and find all your posts claiming to either know for a fact of the existence of WMDs or of you swallowing everything the media reported about possible findings. The final tally of those posts by you would very interesting, don't you agree?

What's a little comical is the fact that even those who are apparently on the same side of the fence as you (pro-war) disagree with you everytime you make one of these "Look, I told you guys" posts. Not a single one of them agrees with you that there's proof of the presence of WMD. The way I see it there's two possibilities here. Either you are far more intelligent than anyone here regardless of whether they are prowar or antiwar, or you're just a loon.

 

[Moonbeam]

It's going to take years, at least until after the next election, to find the WMD. The Iraqis had a lot of time to hide them. In the mean time I'm sure we will be just on the verge of discovery.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It's going to take years, at least until after the next election, to find the WMD. The Iraqis had a lot of time to hide them. In the mean time I'm sure we will be just on the verge of discovery.

As Bush probably said to Mom... "with infinity as the criteria time is irrelevant"

"You may wonder if Saddam is celebrating his birthday today.... I'm not sure but, I am sure he's gone" Bush on Bush by Bush in a fit of articulation....

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: Alistar7
Well I find your refusal to accept the fact that you were wrong about something rather typical.

There is a link, that's all I ever stated. I could state otherwise and claim it to be true, but it wouldn't make the facts disappear. Was I wrong in stating there was a link, nope, Unless you have anything substantial that disproves the evidence at hand all your doing is wasting your breath and showing your ass.

You've been wrong about almost every claim you've made on these forums, dude. Everytime a possible smoking gun is discovered you shout out "Look! I told you so!". And in the end, they've ALL been discarded as false alarms.

Now you're going hog wild over this Iraqi scientist who says he lied in the past, but he's telling the truth now. Really Alistar, for your sake I hope this guy is telling the truth, and we can somehow get some verification on what he says. Otherwise you're going to be eating crow casserole for a month.

Just for fun, why don't you go thru your posts (just since the war started), and find all your posts claiming to either know for a fact of the existence of WMDs or of you swallowing everything the media reported about possible findings. The final tally of those posts by you would very interesting, don't you agree?

What's a little comical is the fact that even those who are apparently on the same side of the fence as you (pro-war) disagree with you everytime you make one of these "Look, I told you guys" posts. Not a single one of them agrees with you that there's proof of the presence of WMD. The way I see it there's two possibilities here. Either you are far more intelligent than anyone here regardless of whether they are prowar or antiwar, or you're just a loon.

Funny how his lies were when his life was at risk, he himself admitted this was the reason he lied, he was FORCED too, now he can speak freely without fear.... I bet if I put a gun to your childs face you would say whatever I told you too... Nice spin, attempt "He lied beofre, he's a liar", are you trying to highlight how he lied to the UN about WMD or was that an unintended consequence? Thank you for proving my point though. Do you think he was the ONLY forced to lie? lol You don't think in some crazy scheme Saddam used the same tactics for EVERYONE working on these programs? You must be right, it was just this one guy, he knew it all, lmao....

Go ahead and check my other posts, yes I have always claimed the WMD saddam admitted having to the UN havent been accounted for, prove that wrong. Their existence was NEVER in question, only thier location, which is still the issue.

Gaard, I provide links and base my arguements on logic and fact, you make personal atacks on anyone who doesn't believe the same as you. I'm sorry the majority of the world cant just dismiss facts to suit their bias. I can readily admit every possible find of WMD has not panned out so far, but the information being provided is quite damning and perfectly consistent with other independent accounts of those who worked in Saddam's programs.

You say I have been proven wrong on EVERY issue on this forum. Show me one, link it up bad boy....... If you can, you will find that once the FACTS are presented that prove my OPINION was wrong, I will glaldy admit that. Funny you are never wrong, and never provide anything to back up what you dribble....

"The way I see it there's two possibilities here. Either you are far more intelligent than anyone here regardless of whether they are prowar or antiwar, or you're just a loon"

Thats the only way you can see things, one way or the other, your diametrically unblanaced way of thinking is obviously the problem. FYI the last IQ test I took came in at 134, pretty consistent with former tests I have taken, but certainly not my high. Does that put me "higher" than everyone else here, nope, I know of only one other member who took the same exact test and he scored a 136, I have no doubt many other members here could score just as high or better on any given day, thankfully the average intelligence HERE surpasses the normal world.

I had to listen to 10,000 posts screaming for any shred of evidence or minute link,and have hardly been the only one to post breaking news, even before it was available to link up via media outlets, some have proven to be false, all were corrected in any threads I posted by MYSELF.

I'll take my crow raw, thank you, don't plan on eating any though.

Too bad the threads are gone, you would have loved my personal opinion on how the opposing nations would be exposed, how they and the rest would cave to the US's preferred solutions as opposed to their own. Who came calling us? Whose butt has been kissed by EVERY one of them? Looks like I was right again...

Was I wrong earlier today when in the NK thread I stated they were only bargaining for aid? AP released a story from Powell HOURS LATER stating NK linked nuclear disarmament to US aid, not only am I right, apparently I can tell the future at times.... I also went back and added this into my post, just as I have done ANYTIME i have posted a thread based on breaking news that turned out to be false.