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breaking news... 2 sniper (copycats?) suspects in custody.

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Originally posted by: sward666
People are actually scared of this guy? Unbelieveable! Youre more likely to die crossing the street than getting hit by the sniper, but you dont see people not crossing the street. Geez, some people need some common sense smacked into them.
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You can take some measures to avoid being hit crossing the street, like looking both ways, for example. That is the critical difference.
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Yeah, you feel like you have some control over things like driving a car or crossing a street. The more safe you act, themore safe you are. With this, it's different. No matter what you do, if you're outside and he targets you, you're screwed. You never see it coming.

Look at the mentality of the folks in Bosnia during the snipper wars.
 
Originally posted by: poopaskoopa
Did I miss sarcasm in your "soft people" remark? These people, who are panicking about "the slightest thing", are worried about getting shot to death.
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No sarcasm...

These same people drive their cars every day, even though nearly 50,000 people die from that. Probably 1/3 of them continue to smoke, and that kills 300,000 people a year...

They were under the illusion that they were safe, now that this illusion is broken, they are now scared and what the illusion back.

But it is only an illusion, nothing more...

Grasshopper
 
Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: poopaskoopa
Did I miss sarcasm in your "soft people" remark? These people, who are panicking about "the slightest thing", are worried about getting shot to death.
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No sarcasm...

These same people drive their cars every day, even though nearly 50,000 people die from that. Probably 1/3 of them continue to smoke, and that kills 300,000 people a year...

They were under the illusion that they were safe, now that this illusion is broken, they are now scared and what the illusion back.

But it is only an illusion, nothing more...

Grasshopper
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People feel like they are in control of the risks of driving and smoking.

They have the option to participate or not, & they can control the amount of risk (drive slower, avoid busy roads, etc.).

With a nutjob running around with a rifle, they are completely powerless.

Why shouldn't they be afraid?

Viper GTS
 
Originally posted by: Amused

Yeah, you feel like you have some control over things like driving a car or crossing a street. The more safe you act, themore safe you are. With this, it's different. No matter what you do, if you're outside and he targets you, you're screwed. You never see it coming.
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Which only shows their hold on the illusion...

When driving, you're a moving target... You can do everything right, and some drunk nutcase can still smash into you...

The illusion of safety when driving is just that, and doesn't really exist. That is one reason why all these Soccer Mom's buy Suburbans, they want 6,000lbs of steel around themselves to provide "armor" for their kids. Nice idea, and it works to some extent, but only if the drunk is in a smaller car and not in another Suburban. 😀

What they also don't understand is that they are walking targets for muggings, rapists, etc... They just don't hear about them all in the news, thus they think they don't happen.

Want to make people feel safe, stop reporting on the sniper, just say "hey, we caught the guy", then tell the media to shut up about it. 😛

Grasshopper
 
Originally posted by: dwell
Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Who do you think is going to prosecute the shooter or shooters once they are apprehended?
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The fedz. The crimes spanned state boundries.
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I was not referring to jurisdiction (though your presumption is probably incorrect, as far as it goes), but rather to the fact that several lawyers will work to prosecute the killers.

 
Originally posted by: Don_Vito
I was not referring to jurisdiction (though your presumption is probably incorrect, as far as it goes), but rather to the fact that several lawyers will work to prosecute the killers.
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As you yourself once said, "A lawyer with his briefcase can steal more than a hundred men with guns" 🙂

 
Originally posted by: Viper GTS

People feel like they are in control of the risks of driving and smoking.

They have the option to participate or not, & they can control the amount of risk (drive slower, avoid busy roads, etc.).

With a nutjob running around with a rifle, they are completely powerless.

Why shouldn't they be afraid?

Viper GTS
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Because when it comes to most things in life, they only "feel" like they are in control. That control is an illusion.

I fly a helicopter for a living, that engine could fail at any minute, it is a risky enterprise... I don't choose to run and hide because the engine might quit, or the rotorblades might fly off, or any of a hundred other things might go wrong. Why? Because I have no control over any of that...

I have no control over a sniper, I can accept the fact that some nutjob might come and kill me at random, doesn't have to be that specific sniper. Risk of being part of the human race. Doesn't go away just because they catch the sniper or don't catch him.

I was not afraid to get on an airliner a week after 9/11. Why? Very, very safe way to fly. One airliner a month could just randomly blow up and flying would still be the safest way to get somewhere...

Here is one thought that many people have not yet figured out. You're going to die. That's right, it is 100% for sure that you're going to die at some point in your life. Could be tomorrow, could be 50 years from now, but it is going to happen. Why not live your life to the fullest and enjoy every minute of it?

Of course, you might think I'm nuts, considering that I enjoy activities like skydiving and flying helicopters (which are just collections of parts moving together in loose formation). So things like snipers do not scare me...

I could run through the streets of DC and yell outloud, "come and get me you stupid sniper!!!" and be totally safe. The men in the white coats might come and get me, but the sniper wouldn't... 😛

Grasshopper
 
from MSN: "Police said they would hold a news conference at a 1 p.m. ET news conference."
We will know more "fact" then.
 
Originally posted by: Millenium
Originally posted by: Linflas
Originally posted by: Millenium
Originally posted by: BDawg
Originally posted by: Millenium
Boy they have some blind people. Lets see... the common vehicle has been a white CHEVY ASTRO VAN with a LADDER RACK. They towed away a white plymouth Mini-Van with a luggage rack.

The police in all these jurisdictions are a joke. They have no clue what is going on or what to do. They are just going through the motions and jerking their knees everytime they think they have something.

This isn't the Sniper.
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1. Not a lot of people are as fleuent in car identification as you. Lots of people probably can't distinguish between a Ford Tempo and Chevy Monte Carlo. 😉

2. People have a hard time recollecting facts when the event happens so quickly.

The "expert" on CNN said the most important part is the white color since it's the most universal fact.
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The expert is not much of a thinker. White is one of the most common colors that vans and the like are painted. Their is a huge difference between a passenger van(econoline), cargo van (astro) and a mini-van(plymouth in this case). Please I am not some car identification guru. It isn't that hard for anyone that has decent vision over the age of 12 to identify a vehicle. THIS IS NOT THE SNIPER, and the van is not a plymouth. The common thread has the been the white astro van. They look look nothing like a mini-van.

It is time for Charles Moose and the FBI to step aside. They need to bring in outside help such as DC homicide or the NYPD. They have no clue how to run a tight investigation(I haven't seen this many leaks since the Exxon Valdez).
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You are kidding me right? The DC police department spent 2 days at the site where the remains of Chandra Levy were found and a private detective went back a few days later and found a bone they had missed. The Metropolitan Police Dept would be the least competent of the local departments to handle this investigation.
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I disagree. You are looking at a case that differs in type and motive than these crimes. Also that case was tied up with various power players as well. I haven't heard about some PI finding a bone. You have a link for that? DC Homicide would do a much better job than Moose and company.
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Link here for the legbone. Are we thinking of the same DC police department? All you have to do is a quick search of the Washington Posts archives to find multiple stories about the problems with the DC police including the large number of unsolved homicides. Given the number of different jurisdictions and people involved in this investigation I think Chief Moose has done a fine job especially when you take into account that traditionally there is not a lot of cooperation between the Commonwealth of Virginia and Maryland on any level.
 
and... "Montgomery County, Maryland, Police Chief Charles Moose issued a brief, cryptic statement on the sniper shootings around the Washington area. "We are going to respond to a message that we have received," he said Monday. "We will respond later. We are preparing a response at this time."


a chess game is going on... I think the sniper wanted to be "caught" and evenually will if he keep on sending the notes.
 
Grasshopper....You dont KNOW I'm going to die. Theres no proof to support my death in the future. Just because every other human has died in the past is no reason to assume we're all going to die. I fully plan on living forever. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: Viper GTS

People feel like they are in control of the risks of driving and smoking.

They have the option to participate or not, & they can control the amount of risk (drive slower, avoid busy roads, etc.).

With a nutjob running around with a rifle, they are completely powerless.

Why shouldn't they be afraid?

Viper GTS
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Because when it comes to most things in life, they only "feel" like they are in control. That control is an illusion.

I fly a helicopter for a living, that engine could fail at any minute, it is a risky enterprise... I don't choose to run and hide because the engine might quit, or the rotorblades might fly off, or any of a hundred other things might go wrong. Why? Because I have no control over any of that...

I have no control over a sniper, I can accept the fact that some nutjob might come and kill me at random, doesn't have to be that specific sniper. Risk of being part of the human race. Doesn't go away just because they catch the sniper or don't catch him.

I was not afraid to get on an airliner a week after 9/11. Why? Very, very safe way to fly. One airliner a month could just randomly blow up and flying would still be the safest way to get somewhere...

Here is one thought that many people have not yet figured out. You're going to die. That's right, it is 100% for sure that you're going to die at some point in your life. Could be tomorrow, could be 50 years from now, but it is going to happen. Why not live your life to the fullest and enjoy every minute of it?

Of course, you might think I'm nuts, considering that I enjoy activities like skydiving and flying helicopters (which are just collections of parts moving together in loose formation). So things like snipers do not scare me...

I could run through the streets of DC and yell outloud, "come and get me you stupid sniper!!!" and be totally safe. The men in the white coats might come and get me, but the sniper wouldn't... 😛

Grasshopper
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What does living your life to fullest have to do with being very careful when walking to your car, or pumping gas? I don't think you're nuts, but I think your reason for not taking precautions is weak. I don't disagree that you're still very, very likely to live through the daily tasks of pumping gas or, making out of Home Depot parking lot alive in the VA/DC area, but what's wrong with being mindful of this new threat? What's the downside to sitting inside your car while pumping gas? What's wrong with walking faster to your car?
 
Originally posted by: poopaskoopa

What does living your life to fullest have to do with being very careful when walking to your car, or pumping gas? I don't think you're nuts, but I think your reason for not taking precautions is weak. I don't disagree that you're still very, very likely to live through the daily tasks of pumping gas or, making out of Home Depot parking lot alive in the VA/DC area, but what's wrong with being mindful of this new threat? What's the downside to sitting inside your car while pumping gas? What's wrong with walking faster to your car?
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Nothing, but it makes no difference...

That is again part of the illusion, people feel like it makes a difference, but it doesn't. Walking faster to your car won't help, this guy can still pick you off. Sitting in your car won't help, a .223 bullet will go right through the windshield and kill you just the same.

Being mindful only helps if being mindful makes a difference. In this case, it doesn't. Since there is nothing I could do about it, I choose to put it out of my mind and ignore it. That is wise advice for anything in life beyond your control.

By doing all those things, you're fooling yourself into thinking you have power over the sniper, you don't. Deal with it, go on with your life, and put it out of your mind.

Grasshopper
 
news conference soon....

so far, the "fact" from the locat station shows that 2 men were arrested. and that the van is indeed a dodge/polymouth caravan.
 
Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Being mindful only helps if being mindful makes a difference. In this case, it doesn't. Since there is nothing I could do about it, I choose to put it out of my mind and ignore it. That is wise advice for anything in life beyond your control.

By doing all those things, you're fooling yourself into thinking you have power over the sniper, you don't. Deal with it, go on with your life, and put it out of your mind.

Grasshopper
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Wise, Grasshopper. But your kung fu is still weak. I must show you the "Minds Of The Masses" style.

You see, the mindless droves of sheep believe that they truly can do something. By telling them they cannot, you upset the delicate balance of the hordes that feed the few knowledgable. While sheep are timid and harmless alone, they can maim and kill if stampeding in blind panic or fear.

You must keep the public calm. And if the public truly thinks they can avoid the sniper by walking faster or sitting inside, they are just as happy as those who accept that it does nothing.

Yes, it could happen. I could be shot, run over, or horribly killed in an alien abduction tomorrow. Today. Or in less than an hour. If I thought about it, it would scare me to death.
So I don't. I accept it. And life goes on.

Now, snatch the pebble from my hand, Grasshopper. 😀

- M4H
 
Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Originally posted by: poopaskoopa

What does living your life to fullest have to do with being very careful when walking to your car, or pumping gas? I don't think you're nuts, but I think your reason for not taking precautions is weak. I don't disagree that you're still very, very likely to live through the daily tasks of pumping gas or, making out of Home Depot parking lot alive in the VA/DC area, but what's wrong with being mindful of this new threat? What's the downside to sitting inside your car while pumping gas? What's wrong with walking faster to your car?
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Nothing, but it makes no difference...

That is again part of the illusion, people feel like it makes a difference, but it doesn't. Walking faster to your car won't help, this guy can still pick you off. Sitting in your car won't help, a .223 bullet will go right through the windshield and kill you just the same.

Being mindful only helps if being mindful makes a difference. In this case, it doesn't. Since there is nothing I could do about it, I choose to put it out of my mind and ignore it. That is wise advice for anything in life beyond your control.

By doing all those things, you're fooling yourself into thinking you have power over the sniper, you don't. Deal with it, go on with your life, and put it out of your mind.

Grasshopper
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So let me getting this straight. A faster moving target is just as easy to hit as a guy walking leisurely to his car? A guy sitting in the car(i.e. smaller target) is just as easy to hit as the guy standing outside while pumping gas? I imagine that you can get still get hit if you walk fast, jog, or do whatever on your way to your car, but it's all done to minimize the risk of getting shot. No one claims that these actions will sniper-proof a person, but it's not foolish to take precautions. One has no control over this situation in the sense that he/she doesn't control the sniper(s), but there're things that can be done to minimize the risk(no matter how small the gain). I personally don't see any of this translating into the life philosophy of letting go of things beyond my control or living life to its fullest, but that's just me.
 
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Wise, Grasshopper. But your kung fu is still weak. I must show you the "Minds Of The Masses" style.

You see, the mindless droves of sheep believe that they truly can do something. By telling them they cannot, you upset the delicate balance of the hordes that feed the few knowledgable. While sheep are timid and harmless alone, they can maim and kill if stampeding in blind panic or fear.

You must keep the public calm. And if the public truly thinks they can avoid the sniper by walking faster or sitting inside, they are just as happy as those who accept that it does nothing.

Yes, it could happen. I could be shot, run over, or horribly killed in an alien abduction tomorrow. Today. Or in less than an hour. If I thought about it, it would scare me to death.
So I don't. I accept it. And life goes on.

Now, snatch the pebble from my hand, Grasshopper. 😀
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Ok, point taken... Sigh... I guess it just gets under my skin sometimes that the "masses" are really so, well, "sheepish".

Now, will someone please explain the pebble reference to me???

Grasshopper
 
Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: grasshopper26
Being mindful only helps if being mindful makes a difference. In this case, it doesn't. Since there is nothing I could do about it, I choose to put it out of my mind and ignore it. That is wise advice for anything in life beyond your control.

By doing all those things, you're fooling yourself into thinking you have power over the sniper, you don't. Deal with it, go on with your life, and put it out of your mind.

Grasshopper
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Wise, Grasshopper. But your kung fu is still weak. I must show you the "Minds Of The Masses" style.

You see, the mindless droves of sheep believe that they truly can do something. By telling them they cannot, you upset the delicate balance of the hordes that feed the few knowledgable. While sheep are timid and harmless alone, they can maim and kill if stampeding in blind panic or fear.

You must keep the public calm. And if the public truly thinks they can avoid the sniper by walking faster or sitting inside, they are just as happy as those who accept that it does nothing.

Yes, it could happen. I could be shot, run over, or horribly killed in an alien abduction tomorrow. Today. Or in less than an hour. If I thought about it, it would scare me to death.
So I don't. I accept it. And life goes on.

Now, snatch the pebble from my hand, Grasshopper. 😀

- M4H
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ROTFLMAO I love the first and last line, awesome. Thanks for the laugh 😀
 
Originally posted by: dwell
People with TVs, is their a news conference on now?
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Gonna start in a couple of minutes. One suspect is 24yr old mexican. So far it match the eyewitness description of an olive/brown skin man. No news about the other suspect.
 
Originally posted by: poopaskoopa<brSo let me getting this straight. A faster moving target is just as easy to hit as a guy walking leisurely to his car? A guy sitting in the car(i.e. smaller target) is just as easy to hit as the guy standing outside while pumping gas?
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Yep, at these ranges, it doesn't matter...

From 150 yards, using my rifle and scope that I've been shooting for years, you could be running flat out and I'll still hit you.

Smaller target? I'm lying in the prone position using a scope and a bi-pod, you cannot make yourself a small enough target to matter.

I imagine that you can get still get hit if you walk fast, jog, or do whatever on your way to your car, but it's all done to minimize the risk of getting shot.
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No it isn't, it is done to make you feel like it is minimizing the risk of getting shot. I know if I was doing the shooting, none of that would matter... But then I've been shooting rifles since I was 6, I'm probably a far better shot than this loser criminal terorist slimeball is... 😉

As for taking precautions, there is nothing wrong with that idea, but just know that by taking precautions that don't really help, you might be lulling yourself into a false sense of security. Better to just accept the risk and not change your life, lest the bad guys control it...

Grasshopper
 
They appear to be 2 mexicans who want to pretend that they were the snipers and try to make some cash somehow... perhaps ransom money?

I guess the 'real' sniper, is still out there... perhaps on the golf course somewhere.... figures that they are too smart.....
These two dumbass just don't have the brains to pull this off and got caught right off the bat.
 
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