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Breaking Bad Season 4 - Official Discussion Thread

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loki8481 said:
but I wondered if they wanted to avoid another months of ambiguity/speculation like people speculated that Jesse didn't really kill Gale when it went to black with the gunshot.
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yeah vince gilligan wrote and directed both episodes - i read that he was irked that people thought jesse moved the gun, he said it was just a camera movement.

will we see jesse again? he has no reason to keep cooking, still has quite a bit of money, and looks happy now. he's been though a lot of shit and i think this would be a good ending for him.
 
jjsole said:
How can you tell?
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we saw him take off his tie earlier in the episode and that one was a clip-on. my assumption would be that he would just put another clip-on tie on, and I guess it would make sense given how paranoid he is.

a clip-on tie can't get caught on something and choke you to death.
 
They brought back the cancer storyline this season and left it open-ended.

He went for a new scan (when he made that "I control my own destiny" speech), and when asked how it went at dinner, he hesitated and was all-around sketchy.

I really think that's how this will all end. It would be fitting for Walt to die due to something entirely out of his control.
 
Watched the season finale last night and thought it was great. I'd like to know how Walt was able to poison the kid. Given that they zoomed in on the plant at the end of the show, it makes me think that they might pull that in next season. Other story lines I see for next season include who these new bad guys are - like the one that drove Gus to the rest home, he's still alive, and they obviously know where Walt lives. Also, Hank's going to find out that Gus was killed and the laundry place was burned down and jump all over the investigation. I wonder if Gus kept backups of all of the security camera recordings - he was monitoring them right before he went and got blown up, and it didn't look like he took that laptop with him - Hank may dig these up.
 
loki8481 said:
we saw him take off his tie earlier in the episode and that one was a clip-on. my assumption would be that he would just put another clip-on tie on, and I guess it would make sense given how paranoid he is.

a clip-on tie can't get caught on something and choke you to death.
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Was he taking it off at the restaurant? Because my guess would be that he wears a clip-on at the restaurant...along he also wears his "work" clothes. He changed out of them into his suit to visit Hector because he was in a different environment where appearance (and clothing) truly matters. I would assume he'd put on a real tie in that world. He didn't just throw a suit jacket over his Los Pollos shirt and pants.
 
loki8481 said:
I think all the new white guys were definitely introduced for a reason.

I could see Jesse getting back into cooking independently, though. he's been trying to provide for that chick and her son and what skills does he really have to make a living on? is Walt going to hire him to wash cars?
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He has millions of dollars.

Also, WOW at that ending. Walt did do it!


Question: Do you think they really needed another season though? I feel like that ending would have been perfect.
 
BagOfWalnuts said:
He has millions of dollars.

Also, WOW at that ending. Walt did do it!


Question: Do you think they really needed another season though? I feel like that ending would have been perfect.
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I wouldn't think they'd need another season if they'd left the "new" bad guys out of it as well as the zoom-in on the Lily of the Valley. This season finale was good for those who like "happy endings". I'm not sure if another season will end in one.
 
BagOfWalnuts said:
He has millions of dollars.

Also, WOW at that ending. Walt did do it!


Question: Do you think they really needed another season though? I feel like that ending would have been perfect.
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Vince Gilligan, the show's creator, has said that this episode was geared toward being an ending if the series wasn't going to be renewed...

And Gus's death is somewhat cartoonish - but it still creeps me out as you're watching a man who is dead but he doesn't realize it...

Reminded me of this scene from 1975 film 'The Hindenburg.'

Dead Man Walking.
 
pyonir said:
Was he taking it off at the restaurant? Because my guess would be that he wears a clip-on at the restaurant...along he also wears his "work" clothes. He changed out of them into his suit to visit Hector because he was in a different environment where appearance (and clothing) truly matters. I would assume he'd put on a real tie in that world. He didn't just throw a suit jacket over his Los Pollos shirt and pants.
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This is what I believe as well. The clip-on is part of his "Los Pollos" image where he's just an average, innocuous owner/manager of a fast food chain.

For his "real" business, I don't think he wears the cheap stuff.

I actually thought about that little issue quite a lot, because it didn't make sense to me that someone as meticulous as Gus would ever wear a clip-on.
 
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UberNeuman said:
Vince Gilligan, the show's creator, has said that this episode was geared toward being an ending if the series wasn't going to be renewed...

And Gus's death is somewhat cartoonish - but it still creeps me out as you're watching a man who is dead but he doesn't realize it...

Reminded me of this scene from 1975 film 'The Hindenburg.'

Dead Man Walking.
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That must have been an inspiration for the scene just after the bomb goes off.
 
UberNeuman said:
Vince Gilligan, the show's creator, has said that this episode was geared toward being an ending if the series wasn't going to be renewed...

And Gus's death is somewhat cartoonish - but it still creeps me out as you're watching a man who is dead but he doesn't realize it...

Reminded me of this scene from 1975 film 'The Hindenburg.'

Dead Man Walking.
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My first thought when I saw Gus' face was the same I felt when I first saw what happened to Harvey Dent in The Dark Knight.
 
Hm...I'll go with a shadowy German drug syndicate (possibly Nazi remnant) for next season. It would explain the cartel's reluctance to kill Gus since it could trigger a larger war that they couldn't win. Pinochet and Chile tie in since many Nazis fled to SA near the end of the war with European loot and hid under the protection of dictators they backed, mostly to Argentina and Chile.
 
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K1052 said:
Hm...I'll go with a shadowy German drug syndicate (possibly Nazi remnant) for next season. It would explain the cartel's reluctance to kill Gus since it could trigger a larger war that they couldn't win. Pinochet and Chile tie in since many Nazis fled to SA near the end of the war with European loot and hid under the protection of dictators they backed, mostly to Argentina and Chile.
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I've been on board with the "Gus is just a small piece of something much bigger than him" philosophy ever since Hank traced Pollos back to the German company. Put together a couple more small pieces (Hiesenberg was a German scientist, the fleeing Nazi angle, Mike having a German last name, the mysterious Aryan looking hencemen that came into the picture late this season) and you got enough reason to think they will go in that direction for the last season, can't get much bigger then an international operation like that. Really is quite intriguing as I only see the storyline going in 1 of 2 directions: Walt being forced to cook for them, or Walt + family going into protection. At the very least there's too much DEA involvement now for them to stay in ABQ's backyard.
 
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No doubt Hank is going to be thrown for a loop to see Gus taken out by a bomb strapped to the crippled Salamanca's wheelchair. This and the lab explosion under the cleaning facility gives his instincts confirmation that Gus was involved, but will make him more curious and motivated than ever to go further.

Hypothetically, if the German company is involved in these events, then why would they blow up the production lab of a good customer. It will probably point directly to someone who had access to the lab. And I'm guessing Hank have full support of the DEA now, after his instincts have proved right.

Walt won the battle to this point but is a long way from in the clear.
 
jjsole said:
No doubt Hank is going to be thrown for a loop to see Gus taken out by a bomb strapped to the crippled Salamanca's wheelchair. This and the lab explosion under the cleaning facility gives his instincts confirmation that Gus was involved, but will make him more curious and motivated than ever to go further.

Hypothetically, if the German company is involved in these events, then why would they blow up the production lab of a good customer. It will probably point directly to someone who had access to the lab. And I'm guessing Hank have full support of the DEA now, after his instincts have proved right.

Walt won the battle to this point but is a long way from in the clear.
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Yep. If Gus' higher-ups knew about Pinkman, you can be sure they also knew about Walt. The hardest thing to explain will be why they don't just kill Pinkman and Walt immediately.

I suppose they could still consider Walt and Jesse's cooking formula/methods too valuable to lose, but given all the trouble the two have caused them...
 
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