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Breaking Bad Season 4 - Official Discussion Thread

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Lifted said:
Gus must know about Saul as Mike works with him sometimes. Wasn't Mike/Gus chasing both Walter and Saul at the end of last season, or the season before that?
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Right, he knows about their relationship, but I don't think he knows just how dependent Walt is on Saul.

Also, Saul's no chump. He's got a lifetime of experience dealing with these criminal types. That man can talk his way out of anything. If that doesn't work, I'm sure he knows a guy who knows a guy.
 
DayLaPaul said:
Right, he knows about their relationship, but I don't think he knows just how dependent Walt is on Saul.

Also, Saul's no chump. He's got a lifetime of experience dealing with these criminal types. That man can talk his way out of anything. If that doesn't work, I'm sure he knows a guy who knows a guy.
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There were episodes where Saul was looking over his shoulder expecting to get capped any min. That leads me to believe he's on the radar.

The thing is that Gus never had a reason to kill Saul before this episode(other than the small window when Gale was alive and asked to take over for Walt). Whenever he needed Walt, his hands were effectively tied. And while there was a subtle running joke where Saul never seem to be part of the "gang" and thus expendable, I tend to believe that Gus killing Saul would've been bad for business.

But now that Walt is "fired", Saul is once again fair game. Even more so for getting in the way of Gus gunning for Hank. I don't think he'll last through the season.
 
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purbeast0 said:
other than that though, REALLY intense episode. the ending of this episode with that music was just extremely intense and had me on the edge of my seat. wish i didn't have to wait another week for the next episode.
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that was great - the music + walt's cackling + marie's panic + skyler's reaction all in one scene

ted is such a shithead, perfect ending for that situation. i guess walt hasn't hit rock bottom yet.

lol @ tyrus fucking with walt for laughs

mike's finally got a name: michael ehrmantraut
 
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How Skylar took so long to figure out Ted was a piece of shit, when it was staring her in the face for so long blows my mind. She fucking had the numbers ffs, she saw what the company was making, what everyone was getting paid AND she got to see Teds house and how he lives/acts. That shit was pretty lulz.
 
PottedMeat said:
mike's finally got a name: michael ehrmantraut
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Well he always had a name, but it was just Mike. Funny they went from ordinary-ass last names for their characters like White, Pinkman, Goodman, Schrader to weird/longer names like Boetticher, Salamanca, and now Ehrmantraut.
 
PottedMeat said:
so wait, is ted dead? i thought he was just knocked out.


anyone notice tyrus' new partner looks like a young mike?
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They didn't say for sure that he is dead, but that's what I assume based on the 'crunch' and the neck angle.

He's definitely more than knocked out, though. Paralyzed or comatose at the very least.


I'm still creeped out today by the last 10 minutes of that episode last night, and I'll say it again: Cranston is amazing.
 
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Balt said:
They didn't say for sure that he is dead, but that's what I assume based on the 'crunch' and the neck angle.

He's definitely more than knocked out, though. Paralyzed or comatose at the very least.
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I think the writers meant to keep it somewhat up in the air for now or else they wouldn't have had Walt busting in at the exact moment when we were about to find out for sure. We've all watched enough TV to know that a guy ain't dead until he's dead. And even then he still might come back to life.
 
Am I the only one who saw his finger twitching? I mean the camera was right on it after he fell, paralyzed maybe but not dead unless "The A-Team" finished him off which they didn't allude to with Saul.
 
DayLaPaul said:
I think the writers meant to keep it somewhat up in the air for now or else they wouldn't have had Walt busting in at the exact moment when we were about to find out for sure. We've all watched enough TV to know that a guy ain't dead until he's dead. And even then he still might come back to life.
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Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they want to keep some plot/sub-plot options open for Season 5. Can't paint themselves completely into a corner. I also kind of wonder if the lack of an explicit "he's dead!" was a bit of a joke among the writers because of people claiming Jesse didn't shoot Gale at the end of Season 3.


BrokenVisage said:
Am I the only one who saw his finger twitching? I mean the camera was right on it after he fell, paralyzed maybe but not dead unless "The A-Team" finished him off which they didn't allude to with Saul.
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Dead people can twitch (so I've heard). 😛
 
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DayLaPaul said:
I think the writers meant to keep it somewhat up in the air for now or else they wouldn't have had Walt busting in at the exact moment when we were about to find out for sure. We've all watched enough TV to know that a guy ain't dead until he's dead. And even then he still might come back to life.
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If you listen to the Breaking Bad Podcast over on the AMC website (a show with the creators, writers, actors) - they seem to leave it up in the air about Ted.... as for me....

Ted's dead, baby... Ted's dead...

and man - what a great ending to the episode last night...
 
loki8481 said:
it makes me wonder to what extent Gus wants Walt to run away and just be gone and out of his hair.
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No way. If Walt is free, out and disappeared what's to keep him from dropping a dime to the DEA with all the details of the operation? Gus is a VERY careful man, there's no way he'd ever leave a loose end like that. Walt either has to keep working for Gus so that he shares the sames risks of being caught or he has to die.
 
GagHalfrunt said:
No way. If Walt is free, out and disappeared what's to keep him from dropping a dime to the DEA with all the details of the operation? Gus is a VERY careful man, there's no way he'd ever leave a loose end like that. Walt either has to keep working for Gus so that he shares the sames risks of being caught or he has to die.
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Walt started out as a dead man walking, he honestly shouldn't care about sharing risk or dying.
 
Where exactly does Walt expect to hide? Even with new identities, he'll still have terminal lung cancer. Unless he plans to die untreated, he's going to have to surface in a hospital a some point. Then his body would show evidence of the surgery and treatment he's received with no corresponding medical file.
 
DayLaPaul said:
Where exactly does Walt expect to hide? Even with new identities, he'll still have terminal lung cancer. Unless he plans to die untreated, he's going to have to surface in a hospital a some point. Then his body would show evidence of the surgery and treatment he's received with no corresponding medical file.
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He hasn't cared about his own life from the beginning... he didn't even want treatment in the first place. It's his family that he's trying to keep safe and now he's getting more desperate than ever.
 
DayLaPaul said:
Where exactly does Walt expect to hide? Even with new identities, he'll still have terminal lung cancer. Unless he plans to die untreated, he's going to have to surface in a hospital a some point. Then his body would show evidence of the surgery and treatment he's received with no corresponding medical file.
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If the handler is as good a pro as Saul claims him to be, we just have to assume he'd be able to forge anything including an identity exactly like Walt but under a different alias with enough variation to escape scrutiny.

And I thought Walt said he is in full remission? So he does not have terminal cancer... not anymore
 
bfdd said:
Walt started out as a dead man walking, he honestly shouldn't care about sharing risk or dying.
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No, Walt doesn't care about dying, Gus cares about Walt living. The only way Gus can let Walt keep breathing is if he has leverage over him, ie, the ability to kill his family. Without that Walt can easily ruin Gus and Gus can't let that happen. So Gus is not interested in Walt being gone and "out of his hair". He's either in or he's dead, to Gus there's no other option.
 
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