Brazil detains American Airlines flight crew over hand gesture!

[tcsenter]

please tell me which European countries take a photo and fingerprints from any visitor from a particular country.

And if I do, what am I going to get out of it? You learning to shut up for once in your life?

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

please tell me which European countries take a photo and fingerprints from any visitor from a particular country.

And if I do, what am I going to get out of it? You learning to shut up for once in your life?

instead of shouting and talking out of your ass you better answer my question

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: tcsenter

please tell me which European countries take a photo and fingerprints from any visitor from a particular country.

And if I do, what am I going to get out of it? You learning to shut up for once in your life?

instead of shouting and talking out of your ass you better answer my question

as i said above, tscenter is a pathetic 5 year-old who can only talk out of his ass. so don't expect an answer from him.

 

[tcsenter]

as i said above, tscenter is a pathetic 5 year-old who can only talk out of his ass. so don't expect an answer from him.

Another content-free post by Xiety! Surprise.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

as i said above, tscenter is a pathetic 5 year-old who can only talk out of his ass. so don't expect an answer from him.

Another content-free post by Xiety! Surprise.

... and you still didn't answered my guestion

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Xiety
Umm actually no, I am overseas right now. And no, I am not watching local news station either, as I am watching some real media. Not the biased sh!t you've been watching over there. And no, I don't give a fvck about Saddam, may he rott in hell. Now go find someone as pathetic as yourself to play with

Yes, up in Canada, we really have a US-based slant to our media.

- M4H

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

as i said above, tscenter is a pathetic 5 year-old who can only talk out of his ass. so don't expect an answer from him.

Another content-free post by Xiety! Surprise.

Peacenik trolling is technically content. 😛

I still say the funniest thing I saw was where some "anti-war" rally ended in a big fight and someone getting shanked ... by a "peace protestor". 😀

- M4H

 

[tcsenter]

please tell me which European countries take a photo and fingerprints from any visitor from a particular country.

Well...soon enough...all of them will be:

Exceptions temporary

Travelers' fingerprints and photographs will be stored in a secure Homeland Security database, the U.S. agency said. The initial check at an airport or cruise terminal screens against other databases for known terrorists, visitors previously deported and known felons, said Jim Williams, director of the US-VISIT program.

Most of the countries whose citizens are exempt from the extra screening are European. But that exception will last only until October, when those countries will have tamper-resistant passports with embedded biometric indicators. When Europeans arrive with the new high-tech passports, they will have to record their fingerprints to prove their identity, Homeland Security officials said.

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Millions of people in Britain will start receiving their compulsory national identity cards in only four years time under the detailed plans unveiled by the home secretary, David Blunkett, yesterday.

Under legislation to be published in January, the five million people who apply each year for a passport or driving licence will automatically be issued with an identity card and their personal details stored on a new national identity computer database.

Mr Blunkett made clear yesterday that they will also have to undergo hi-tech electronic eye and fingerprint scans to ensure that the new combined ID card/passport or driving licence cannot be forged.

The identity card will also be compulsory from 2007 for a further 4.6 million foreign nationals living in Britain.

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Succumbing to pressure from the U.S. government, the EU heads of government and state last weekend announced plans to require all member states to equip passports with biometric data starting next year, according to the final declaration of last weekend's EU summit in Porto Carras. The United States had threatened to introduce mandatory visas for all EU citizens if the EU does not include such identifiers in its passports.

The EU initiative comes just weeks after the G8 nations, the governments of UK, Germany, France, Japan, Britain, the United States, Italy, Canada, and Russia, agreed to develop a biometric passport system, complete with barcode, eye scan, and fingerprints.

- biometric documents for VISAs and resident third country nationals to be introduced by 2005
- biometric passports/documents for EU citizens to follow
- data and personal information to be held on national and EU-wide databases

The European Commission has produced two draft Regulations (25.9.03) to introduce two sets of biometric data (fingerprints and facial image) on visas and resident permits for third country nationals by 2005.

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More to come later...its wayyyy passed my bed time.

 

[kuk]

OK, where shall we start?

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Overruled. The policy stays.

Wrong. The injunction was denied because the judge cited jurisdictional concerns. i.e. "She lacked the legal authority to revoke the decision of a judge in another state."

Brazil plans to strengthen fingerprint policy
The Brazilian government will issue an executive order strengthening a new policy of fingerprinting all U.S. visitors in response to antiterror measures enforced by the United States, news reports said Saturday.
The evening news confirmed this. What happened was that the judge issued the order, the CITY of Rio de Janeiro responded. Because of this, Brazilian government (which decides on the countries diplomatic policies) intervened and will issue an executive order which will determine the proper conduct.

What I admit to being mistaken is that I thought the new order was already issued, when it seems that this will only happen between friday and monday. Still, that's the official government stance.

The new US rules also exempt foreign diplomats, dignitaries, and government officials from Brazil from the procedure. To underscore the blatant dishonesty in the judge's stated reasoning - reciprocity - US Embassy officials have confirmed that U.S. diplomats in Brazil have been photographed and fingerprinted even after presenting their diplomatic passports. A visiting U.S. senator, Pat Roberts, was forced to comply with the procedure, while Brazilian diplomats and officials have not been subjected to the procedure in the US.

Well, the U.S. government has also taken another measure which seems a bit strange. It will deny entry to public officials who THEY consider being corrupt. I have no problem with detaining corruption, but when leaving the judgement to a government who has yet to find a WMD, has stomped the U.N. ("because we can") and in the world's opinion, present the same threat to peace as fundamentalist terrorists, something is very wrong. And my claims can be backed up by most overseas ATOT readers.

EDIT: The Federal Police claims that it is not fingerprinting US diplomats, old age citizens and americans who live in Brazil.

Regarding the Reuters comment: I might have been extremely unlucky by only reading the material which presented Reuters as the source, but I doubt that the Telegraph India and the Washington Post were there with the judge. These papers have one or two correspondants, in Rio and Brasilia ... the judge was in a not-so-accessible area. I have not seen local agencies report the whole transcript. Most of them cited Routers, but in a context that demonstrates that they haven't confirmed nor denied this. What you didn't notice is that I haven't said that the judge hasn't made these remarks. What I'm trying to show is that there's a possibility that the american population has not received all the information, or a correct interpretation of the information. I'm presenting you more knowledge.

tscenter, what I find extremely irritating in your argumentation is that sends out the message "I'm right, I'm always right, I will never say that I wasn't right". Instead of having a discussion that leads to knowledge, you consistently try to hammer those (and only those) facts that back you up in some way.

This is what people in this thread (and on ATOT) are tired of.
You are not in a fight. You are learning something.

kuk

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

please tell me which European countries take a photo and fingerprints from any visitor from a particular country.

Well...soon enough...all of them will be:

Exceptions temporary

Travelers' fingerprints and photographs will be stored in a secure Homeland Security database, the U.S. agency said. The initial check at an airport or cruise terminal screens against other databases for known terrorists, visitors previously deported and known felons, said Jim Williams, director of the US-VISIT program.

Most of the countries whose citizens are exempt from the extra screening are European. But that exception will last only until October, when those countries will have tamper-resistant passports with embedded biometric indicators. When Europeans arrive with the new high-tech passports, they will have to record their fingerprints to prove their identity, Homeland Security officials said.

------------------

Millions of people in Britain will start receiving their compulsory national identity cards in only four years time under the detailed plans unveiled by the home secretary, David Blunkett, yesterday.

Under legislation to be published in January, the five million people who apply each year for a passport or driving licence will automatically be issued with an identity card and their personal details stored on a new national identity computer database.

Mr Blunkett made clear yesterday that they will also have to undergo hi-tech electronic eye and fingerprint scans to ensure that the new combined ID card/passport or driving licence cannot be forged.

The identity card will also be compulsory from 2007 for a further 4.6 million foreign nationals living in Britain.

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Succumbing to pressure from the U.S. government, the EU heads of government and state last weekend announced plans to require all member states to equip passports with biometric data starting next year, according to the final declaration of last weekend's EU summit in Porto Carras. The United States had threatened to introduce mandatory visas for all EU citizens if the EU does not include such identifiers in its passports.

The EU initiative comes just weeks after the G8 nations, the governments of UK, Germany, France, Japan, Britain, the United States, Italy, Canada, and Russia, agreed to develop a biometric passport system, complete with barcode, eye scan, and fingerprints.

- biometric documents for VISAs and resident third country nationals to be introduced by 2005
- biometric passports/documents for EU citizens to follow
- data and personal information to be held on national and EU-wide databases

The European Commission has produced two draft Regulations (25.9.03) to introduce two sets of biometric data (fingerprints and facial image) on visas and resident permits for third country nationals by 2005.

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More to come later...its wayyyy passed my bed time.

that's all about Europeans going to the USA - I already have one of these new hi-tech passports

I want to know about European countries demanding mandatory fingerprints and photos from people outside the EU

 

[GreenGhost]

She got away giving five fingers:

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Meanwhile, in Rio they were giving t-shirts and flowers to those being photographed, and the city had some dancers to make them forget quickly about the experience:

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/e: links work now.