Brazil & Argentina recognizes Palestinian state

[rudeguy]

Why do u care uf I care? Because I dont give a crap really, except my tax dollars go to help these 'saddened' people from allowing a 2state solution

if you are sad, then why were you laughing in your post? If you don't give a crap, why post a thread about something you don't care about?

I'm confused.

 

[Infohawk]

if you are sad, then why were you laughing in your post? If you don't give a crap, why post a thread about something you don't care about?

I'm confused.

We're all dancing around the fact that SandEagle is obviously a pro-islamist anti-israeli hack. Any minor news that works against Israel he will jump up and down like a kid in a school yard. It's nothing more complicated than a childish emotional outburst. That's why it's hard to have a real discussion get started in this thread.

 

[rudeguy]

We're all dancing around the fact that SandEagle is obviously a pro-islamist anti-israeli hack. Any minor news that works against Israel he will jump up and down like a kid in a school yard. It's nothing more complicated than a childish emotional outburst. That's why it's hard to have a real discussion get started in this thread.

If you're going to hate, hate in the open. Why be ashamed to admit it?


OP needs to grow a pair.

 

[theeedude]

I don't see any other way to resolve the issue that has any chance of a lasting peace other than two states at 1967 borders. Brazil is just stating the obvious.

 

[SandEagle]

We're all dancing around the fact that SandEagle is obviously a pro-islamist anti-israeli hack. Any minor news that works against Israel he will jump up and down like a kid in a school yard. It's nothing more complicated than a childish emotional outburst. That's why it's hard to have a real discussion get started in this thread.

Whatever. Im neither pro-islamist nor anti-israeli. I am anti-israeli policy and unjust treatment against the palis. everyone knows u are a fool and prejudiced against non-jews. Suck it froot.

Btw, this is only 'minor' news to haters like u. The rest of the world considers this a major event. Froot

 

[Infohawk]

Whatever. Im neither pro-islamist nor anti-israeli. I am anti-israeli policy and unjust treatment against the palis. everyone knows u are a fool and prejudiced against non-jews. Suck it froot.

Btw, this is only 'minor' news to haters like u. The rest of the world considers this a major event. Froot

I am prejudiced against non-jews? WTF...

And I just looked at le monde, Times of India and der spiegel's home pages and this is not a story.

 

[SandEagle]

I am prejudiced against non-jews? WTF...

And I just looked at le monde, Times of India and der spiegel's home pages and this is not a story.

http://www.google.com/nwshp?q=Brazil+palestine

 

[Infohawk]

http://www.google.com/nwshp?q=Brazil+palestine

I can find stories about celebrities on google news, that doesn't make in a major event. It isn't on the front page of several important international papers. It isn't major news. Get over it. You're still allowed to hate Israel but nobody else has to care.

 

[rudeguy]

Whatever. Im neither pro-islamist nor anti-israeli. I am anti-israeli policy and unjust treatment against the palis. everyone knows u are a fool and prejudiced against non-jews. Suck it froot.

Btw, this is only 'minor' news to haters like u. The rest of the world considers this a major event. Froot

not on the front page of CNN, MSNBC, Foxnews, Washington Post or the BBC.

404: rest of world not found

 

[5150Joker]

Wasn't Brazil (or was it Argentina) considered one of the places for Jewish settlement before Israel was founded? Maybe this is their way of getting back at them.

 

[Lemon law]

I hate to agree with rudeguy, but I have not found it on Yahoo news of the NYT either.
But still, blacking out news to the general public seldom works, and wait to see of the Brazil idea is seconded or not?

But still ideas can never die, and can reborn even greater when old ideas flop again and again. It basically costs Brazil nothing to advance the idea, and the risks are all Israeli.
Because if Israel stops this round of peace talks and no Palestinian State results, the Brazil idea may look ever better as a plan B way forward.

On one hand Israel can say, see, we have no more freedom flotillas, the Israeli embargo of Gaza is still intact after a few cosmetic lip stick on a pig changes, but all those Israeli false sense of security delusions may vanish, because the larger world is giving Obama and the USA one last chance to deliver a Palestinian State. And if it fails, there may be lots of plan B's the world may try to implement that may make last year's freedom flotillas look pale in comparison.

One idea I thinks needs advanced is that any Israeli building in disputed territory post 2010 automatically becomes the property of a future Palestinian State, when and if such a State is implemented, and if departing Israeli settlers burn or destroy what they built, an equivalent amount of property inside the pre-1967 borders of Israeli are forfeit to the Palestinian State.

 

[P4man]

Kudo's to Brazil.
Its pretty impressive its being so successful economically with what most here would call a far left economic policy, and that its not being put on the axis of evil list for being left and so outrageously reasonable on issues like Unasur, the Palestenian/Israeli conflict, Iran's nuclear program or showing the IMF the middle finger.

As for why this matters; maybe if in a few years your friends come home in body bags from a hopeless war in Iran, you would wish you had paid more attention to the underlying issues earlier.

 

[sao123]

I hate to agree with rudeguy, but I have not found it on Yahoo news of the NYT either.
But still, blacking out news to the general public seldom works, and wait to see of the Brazil idea is seconded or not?

But still ideas can never die, and can reborn even greater when old ideas flop again and again. It basically costs Brazil nothing to advance the idea, and the risks are all Israeli.
Because if Israel stops this round of peace talks and no Palestinian State results, the Brazil idea may look ever better as a plan B way forward.

On one hand Israel can say, see, we have no more freedom flotillas, the Israeli embargo of Gaza is still intact after a few cosmetic lip stick on a pig changes, but all those Israeli false sense of security delusions may vanish, because the larger world is giving Obama and the USA one last chance to deliver a Palestinian State. And if it fails, there may be lots of plan B's the world may try to implement that may make last year's freedom flotillas look pale in comparison.

One idea I thinks needs advanced is that any Israeli building in disputed territory post 2010 automatically becomes the property of a future Palestinian State, when and if such a State is implemented, and if departing Israeli settlers burn or destroy what they built, an equivalent amount of property inside the pre-1967 borders of Israeli are forfeit to the Palestinian State.

Or for every rocket/mortor fired by the palestinian militants they lose 1 square mile of that future state, and for every person killed they lose 3.
Oh wait... guess they wont be getting any...period.

If the palestinians really want a state they can have mexico.

PS the larger world really doesnt care.

 

[P4man]

Or for every rocket/mortor fired by the palestinian militants they lose 1 square mile of that future state, and for every person killed they lose 3.

I support that idea. But only if we also count Israeli artillery fire, bombs and rockets fired in to gaza and the west bank, which is about 10-100x fold in numbers and probably a few thousand times that in destructive power.

If the palestinians really want a state they can have mexico.

why Mexico, and not say, New Mexico?

 

[EagleKeeper]

I hate to agree with rudeguy, but I have not found it on Yahoo news of the NYT either.
But still, blacking out news to the general public seldom works, and wait to see of the Brazil idea is seconded or not?

But still ideas can never die, and can reborn even greater when old ideas flop again and again. It basically costs Brazil nothing to advance the idea, and the risks are all Israeli.
Because if Israel stops this round of peace talks and no Palestinian State results, the Brazil idea may look ever better as a plan B way forward.

What happens if the Palestinians stops the talks?

On one hand Israel can say, see, we have no more freedom flotillas, the Israeli embargo of Gaza is still intact after a few cosmetic lip stick on a pig changes, but all those Israeli false sense of security delusions may vanish, because the larger world is giving Obama and the USA one last chance to deliver a Palestinian State. And if it fails, there may be lots of plan B's the world may try to implement that may make last year's freedom flotillas look pale in comparison.

The larger world is giving one last chance? Where did you get that impression. The US is pushing for another chance so that Obama can save face. When did anyone else attempt to step in and get the two of them to the table? UN, NATO, EU, Arab League, etc?

One idea I thinks needs advanced is that any Israeli building in disputed territory post 2010 automatically becomes the property of a future Palestinian State, when and if such a State is implemented, and if departing Israeli settlers burn or destroy what they built, an equivalent amount of property inside the pre-1967 borders of Israeli are forfeit to the Palestinian State.

Your last idea is not going to fly - it will encourage resistence to boundaries from within Israel. Trying to manipulate the boundaries to benefit the Palestinians goes against your "JUST" peace and becomes openly biased (which may be the truth).

 

[rudeguy]

I support that idea. But only if we also count Israeli artillery fire, bombs and rockets fired in to gaza and the west bank, which is about 10-100x fold in numbers and probably a few thousand times that in destructive power.



why Mexico, and not say, New Mexico?

I vote Michigan. I'll move

 

[SandEagle]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ml_israel_argentina

How dare those anti-semitic bastards recognize a state for those unchosen sand n words? :awe:

Hooray for Argentina! They have some smokin hot women down there.

 

[Infohawk]

Couldn't you have put this in your Brazil thread?

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[SandEagle]

Couldn't you have put this in your Brazil thread?

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NOOOOOO!! What fun would that be? How is that going to piss any of you'z off? Unmerge threads please

 

[werepossum]

Just to throw a little gasoline on the fire - anyone else remember which two South American nations received the brunt of German immigrants prior to and after the world wars?

 

[Infohawk]

NOOOOOO!! What fun would that be? How is that going to piss any of you'z off? Unmerge threads please

So you admit you're a troll?

 

[Infohawk]

Just to throw a little gasoline on the fire - anyone else remember which two South American nations received the brunt of German immigrants prior to and after the world wars?

Yes, that's definitely true.

 

[rudeguy]

NOOOOOO!! What fun would that be? How is that going to piss any of you'z off? Unmerge threads please

ignorant and bigoted much?

 

[Lemon law]

Just to throw a little gasoline on the fire - anyone else remember which two South American nations received the brunt of German immigrants prior to and after the world wars?

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Historically, The South American nations that best seized on and adopted Nazi ideals were Argentina and Chile. And after implementing war crimes against their own citizens, both Argentina and Chile are NOW profoundly ashamed of their mistakes.

In terms of Brazil and Uruguay, it never got that bad, but now we have 3 nations endorsing a Palestinians State in one week, and now that the Obama Israeli Palestinian peace talks appear to be on the verge of failure, there may be a large number of nations following the Brazil lead. I would not be at all surprised to see another 30 + nations taking the Brazil position by the end of the year. Its not an act of war or aggression against Israel to join in on what may amount to an unstoppable bandwagon. Once some mid-east and EU members joint in, that bandwagon will shift into second gear, and thereafter may become an unstoppable force.

 

[SandEagle]

ignorant and bigoted much?

No, im just an asshole :awe:

Stay out of P&N little man