Braveheart

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: gersson
The Good, the bad, and the Ugly >>>>>>>> Braveheart

Sort of an odd comparison, don't you think? But yes, I would agree. Looking forward to picking that up on blu ray as well.

Well I was thinking in terms of epics.

The whole civil war part gives the movie a bigger feeling.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

I think V for Vendetta made a lot more sense to me than to most people, that is why i can relate to it and understand some of the things that are happening that are not purely political but a struggle.

I agree. :thumbsup:


I thought it was a superb film.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

I think V for Vendetta made a lot more sense to me than to most people, that is why i can relate to it and understand some of the things that are happening that are not purely political but a struggle.

I agree. :thumbsup:


I thought it was a superb film.

*pppssssshhhhhhtttt* Houston, i have found intelligent life forms on ATOT... *ppppssssssshhhht*

 

[Zee]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: WA261
I love that show. I have seen it several times. It is one of those shows like "Master and Commander" you can watch over and over.

:thumbsup:


As soon as I get blu ray I am getting Master and Commander + Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut on blu ray.

:thumbsup: I have Master and Commander on blu-ray. It looks fantastic and I love that movie. I might watch it again this weekend simply because I haven't seen it in a while.

I love sailing and the ocean so those stories really engross me.

Master and Commander was the shit. It's one of the rare movies where nothing really stood out except maybe for the part where the doc got shot, but overall it was really good. The fucking movie was the fucking shit.

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

I think V for Vendetta made a lot more sense to me than to most people, that is why i can relate to it and understand some of the things that are happening that are not purely political but a struggle.

I agree. :thumbsup:


I thought it was a superb film.

Me too. I bought the Blu-ray last week and just watched it again. I really enjoy this film and I think it looks great.

KT

 

[Regs]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
It was a good movie.. for the year it came out the only other thing that was out was Babe. It's not accurate on the life of William Wallace though that's for sure.

I know it always gets compared with Gladiator and I have no idea why, Gladiator was a decent movie IMO but I see nothing that makes these two need comparison.

Agreed. Though I think it's a shame Rus got a Oscar for the Gladiator when he should of got one for A Beautiful Mind.

And I liked V for Vendetta, not for its pseudo-philosophical or cartoonish pop political commentary, but for it's engaging acting and how they blur heroism and terrorism.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Regs

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
It was a good movie.. for the year it came out the only other thing that was out was Babe. It's not accurate on the life of William Wallace though that's for sure.

I know it always gets compared with Gladiator and I have no idea why, Gladiator was a decent movie IMO but I see nothing that makes these two need comparison.

Agreed. Though I think it's a shame Rus got a Oscar for the Gladiator when he should of got one for A Beautiful Mind.

And I liked V for Vendetta, not for its pseudo-philosophical or cartoonish pop political commentary, but for it's engaging acting and how they blur heroism and terrorism.

I'd say the philosopy used was ok but the pseudo-intellectual way it was introduced as if it was special was annoying. But just as you did, i got the point.

Most people view it in a black and white state of thing where one side is always right and one is always wrong, then they realise that the one they are cheering for is the terrorist who dares to fight against the "democratically" elected officials.

Then they just find it a horrible movie, nothing like movies where the good are always good and the bad are always bad.

This explanation isn't for you Regs, you got it, i got that, it's for those who needs it spelled out for them.

 

[Locut0s]

The main reason I dislike the film is that for such a highly rated film it just seems too over the top. It comes across more like a testosterone infused gore fest whose main goal seems to be to put Mel Gibson on some godlike pedestal. Yes yes I know I need to hand in my man card, sorry I never got one to hand in. I wouldn't be complaining if it weren't for the high praise the film received from many critics. I never got the feeling like I was watching a film about William Wallace so much as bowing down to Mel Gibson.

 

[broon]

For entertainment most of the movies mentioned are great. Braveheart was great for that. So was Gladiator. If you want history...how can you not mention Millers Crossing for the Irish/Italian mob connection, or The Last of the Mohicans for the English/French conflict, or Talladega Nights for the awesome representation of what NASCAR is all about?

Seriously...they were movies. Some are loosely based on historical facts. More importantly, the main goal is to make money. The second goal is to entertain, not to teach history.

 

[venkman]

It was better in the context of the time it came out. In today, after all of the rampant, giant CGI battles in movies, like Lord of the Rings 3, it looks outdated and meh.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

I haven't seen it in at least 10 years or so. I liked it then, wonder how I will enjoy it today. I do remember liking the score a lot.

 

[0roo0roo]

its historically dubious.
and it helped lead the way to scotlands dodgy separatist state today. leading to cr@p where scotland set foreign policy for the uk when they released that lybian hijacker. its like if california had its own foreign policy...and just because they don't get their way in national elections flirt with separatism. childish really. so f*ck the scots.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
its historically dubious.
and it helped lead the way to scotlands dodgy separatist state today. leading to cr@p where scotland set foreign policy for the uk when they released that lybian hijacker. its like if california had its own foreign policy...and just because they don't get their way in national elections flirt with separatism. childish really. so f*ck the scots.

Scotland has longed chafed under English rule. The movie Braveheart didn't have a damned thing to do with it ;^)

 

[0roo0roo]

no, it coincided with the rise of scottish nationalism, the snp spent their time repeating lines from the film back when the devolution mess came about.

 

[lxskllr]

The discovery of North Sea oil off the east coast of Scotland further invigorated the debate over Scottish independence.[20] The Scottish National Party organised a hugely successful campaign entitled "It's Scotland's oil", emphasising the way in which the discovery of oil could benefit Scotland's then-struggling Deindustrialising economy and its populace.[21] In the February 1974 General Election the seven SNP MPs were returned. The failure of the Labour Party to secure an overall majority prompted them to quickly return to the polls. In the subsequent October 1974 election, the SNP performed even better than they had done earlier in the year, winning 11 MPs and managing to garner over 30% of the total vote in Scotland.[22]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_independence

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Locut0s
The main reason I dislike the film is that for such a highly rated film it just seems too over the top. It comes across more like a testosterone infused gore fest whose main goal seems to be to put Mel Gibson on some godlike pedestal. Yes yes I know I need to hand in my man card, sorry I never got one to hand in. I wouldn't be complaining if it weren't for the high praise the film received from many critics. I never got the feeling like I was watching a film about William Wallace so much as bowing down to Mel Gibson.

hmmm...seems you have a disjunct with history and entertainment.


I want history I can watch the news 24/7 and see some of the most action packed events of man's existence.

I want to be entertained or many taken to a place where the good guy wins for once.

 

[Fingolfin269]

How did this thread go from bashing the OP for thinking Braveheart sucks to a discussion about V for Vendetta where some folks think they found some deep meaning that very few other people were able to comprehend?

 

[mizzou]

At the time, Braveheart was a revolutionary movie. So many movies of similar scope/drama rip the good points from that film. It's a beautiful love story for the ladies, and an insane blood bath for the boys, melded together seamlessly in a package every joe six pack can enjoy, the Scottish rebel.

 

[Double Trouble]

Braveheart is one of my favorite movies ever, it's awesome in so many ways.... Whenever I come across it when flipping the channels, I can't help but watch it again.

 

[TehMac]

The Scots are a bunch of losers. They either need to fuck off from the UK and then lose an incredible amount of money, OR, quit the bull shit with their own government and only send representatives to the Parliament in London.

Right now, the Scots have their own Parliament and representatives in the "UK" one. How the fuck is that fair? Just a bunch of whiny losers who make a huge fuss, and yet release a mass murderer for oil.

Pathetic. :roll:


<------Scottish

 

[mizzou]

The history in that movie is atrociously inaccurate.

I actually wrote my masters thesis on Robert The Bruce and how his role was instrumental in obtaining Scottish Independence

A section of my thesis talked about the historical inaccuracy of all of the battles, but surprisingly the movie did get the jist of what happened.

A. William Wallace was a real person. An enigmatic person probably due to how history recorded his presence. He was a figure head as a patriot and hero probably much due to the fact he was captured and King Edward I.

B. King Edward I (Longshanks) was probably accurately portrayed in this movie, along with his son Edward II. Although history shows that Edward I did not kill his "son's Lover", england probalby would have been far better off if he did!
"Physically, Edward was an imposing man; at 6 foot 2 inches he towered over most of his contemporaries. He also had a reputation for a fierce temper, and he could be intimidating; one story tells of how the Dean of St Paul's, wishing to confront Edward over the high level of taxation in 1295, fell down and died once he was in the king's presence.[201]"


C. Robert the Bruce probably got the short end of the stick this movie, the guy was an absolute BADASS in history. During the battle of Bannockburn, Bruce was chronicled to have allegedly ran infront of his army w/ mace/axe in hand and on the back of a horse charged Sir Henry De Bohun and just outright slaying his ass infront of both armies as they stand conniving wimp, but I see how he had to be posed in the movie to help it meld well.


I have that old paper around here somewhere, it's like 25 pages long. I can't remember it very well

 

[nick1985]

Sounds like Edward II from Braveheart had a lovely death IRL

"On the night of 11 October while lying in on a bed [the king] was suddenly seized and, while a great mattress... weighed him down and suffocated him, a plumber's iron, heated intensely hot, was introduced through a tube into his anus so that it burned the inner portions beyond the intestines. ? Thomas de la Moore."

---Wikipedia

 

[TehMac]

In reality, William Wallace killed a sheriff in a drunken brawl over a tavern prostitute.

He then became an outlaw, said "fuck it," and raised hell.

Also, the Scots had a tradition of using spearmen long before the 13th century. Hell, the Picts had been doing it in the 4th century.

 

[dennilfloss]

The thread is now redeemed for it was worthless without Picture.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: Zee
Master and Commander was the shit. It's one of the rare movies where nothing really stood out except maybe for the part where the doc got shot, but overall it was really good. The fucking movie was the fucking shit.

I like it because they didn't try to complicate it, they didn't add some fucking chick or romance, it's a bunch of pissed off men trying to shoot the French and is a fantastic depiction of the rough nature of the time period.