Brain Cells Commingle with Microchips

Moonbeam

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"European researchers are taking brain research to the next level by connecting individual neurons with silicon chips.

Proteins which are normally found in the the brain were used as an "adhesive" to connect individual neurons to microchips.

The proteins allowed the neuro-chip's electronic components and its living cells to communicate with each other. Electrical signals from neurons were recorded using the chip's transistors, while the chip's capacitors were used to stimulate the neurons.


The researchers are looking for ways to improve the chip-to-neuron interface and insure that neurons are not damaged in the process. They also are even looking to incorporate genes into the control scheme.


The potential uses for this technology are endless and could lead to advancements in the treatment of neurological disorders or we could even see the rise of organic computing devices."
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As exciting as the possibilities are to it struck me that an opposite approach might also be of value. If the binding techniques could be refined such that a particular cell type could be bound to, targeted, and instead of not harmed be destroyed, this might be turned into a successful technique for killing cancers.








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LunarRay

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If your suggested use comes to fruition it will wreck the economy... this must be stopped now.. it is simply bad for the economy...
 

Tab

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I think it would be cool to have your own computer inside your head, have something running just like Apple's dashboard... That'd be so cool...
 

Dissipate

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Originally posted by: LunarRay
If your suggested use comes to fruition it will wreck the economy... this must be stopped now.. it is simply bad for the economy...

What are you talking about? Do you just spout random B.S. with no support?
 

Dissipate

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Originally posted by: Tab
I think it would be cool to have your own computer inside your head, have something running just like Apple's dashboard... That'd be so cool...

Not happening in this decade.

Before anything like that could happen scientists would have to reverse engineer the brain. They are waaaaay far from accomplishing that.

The only real code they have started to crack are the signals used for muscle control. That is just the most primitive aspect of what's going on in the brain though.
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: LunarRay
If your suggested use comes to fruition it will wreck the economy... this must be stopped now.. it is simply bad for the economy...

What are you talking about? Do you just spout random B.S. with no support?


If we cure cancer folks will live well beyond the current life expectancy and thereby collect Social Benefits for a much longer time. Planned Obsolescence is part of our economic way of thinking.

 

Dissipate

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Originally posted by: LunarRay
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: LunarRay
If your suggested use comes to fruition it will wreck the economy... this must be stopped now.. it is simply bad for the economy...

What are you talking about? Do you just spout random B.S. with no support?


If we cure cancer folks will live well beyond the current life expectancy and thereby collect Social Benefits for a much longer time. Planned Obsolescence is part of our economic way of thinking.

:roll: Time to put down the crack pipe. :roll:
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: LunarRay
If your suggested use comes to fruition it will wreck the economy... this must be stopped now.. it is simply bad for the economy...

What are you talking about? Do you just spout random B.S. with no support?


If we cure cancer folks will live well beyond the current life expectancy and thereby collect Social Benefits for a much longer time. Planned Obsolescence is part of our economic way of thinking.

:roll: Time to put down the crack pipe. :roll:

Many focus in a myopic way. That they don't see all the collateral issues tends to make them even more narrow visioned on other issues. Economic issues are as real and as devastating to many as the cancer that may be cured. The human was designed to heal itself by what or whom ever created it. To alter this (IMO) natural order of things in any way is contrary to what seems the design of the human.. (not talking about more than what I addressed.... Moonbeam's suggested use of the technology)

Now twice you've used your time to attempt to incite.. just pass next time.. it is much healthier for you.

 

Dissipate

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Originally posted by: LunarRay
Many focus in a myopic way. That they don't see all the collateral issues tends to make them even more narrow visioned on other issues. Economic issues are as real and as devastating to many as the cancer that may be cured. The human was designed to heal itself by what or whom ever created it. To alter this (IMO) natural order of things in any way is contrary to what seems the design of the human.. (not talking about more than what I addressed.... Moonbeam's suggested use of the technology)

Now twice you've used your time to attempt to incite.. just pass next time.. it is much healthier for you.

This isn't an 'economic' issue. This is a government issue. Social security should be eliminated entirely. *poof* There goes that problem.
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: LunarRay
Many focus in a myopic way. That they don't see all the collateral issues tends to make them even more narrow visioned on other issues. Economic issues are as real and as devastating to many as the cancer that may be cured. The human was designed to heal itself by what or whom ever created it. To alter this (IMO) natural order of things in any way is contrary to what seems the design of the human.. (not talking about more than what I addressed.... Moonbeam's suggested use of the technology)

Now twice you've used your time to attempt to incite.. just pass next time.. it is much healthier for you.

This isn't an 'economic' issue. This is a government issue. Social security should be eliminated entirely. *poof* There goes that problem.

Well... all things are also economic in some way. Social Security elimination or the application of scientific break through are. My point is simply this:
We should allow the human to evolve to its own healing potential... for many reasons..
 

Dissipate

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Originally posted by: LunarRay

We should allow the human to evolve to its own healing potential... for many reasons..

Mind explaining what the hell that means? :confused:
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: Tab
I think it would be cool to have your own computer inside your head, have something running just like Apple's dashboard... That'd be so cool...

I wouldn't want that...but I think it'd be awesome to be able to touch something and control the computer with thoughts. Imagine the possibilities with gaming, it'd be incredible. I don't think we're that far out either, I definetly think we'll see that in my lifetime...
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: LunarRay

We should allow the human to evolve to its own healing potential... for many reasons..

Mind explaining what the hell that means? :confused:


Anti bodies.. is what we use to fight disease... we make em.. with out any help.. now a virus can kill us and that is true.. but such is life, as I see it.

 

magomago

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Originally posted by: LunarRay

Well... all things are also economic in some way. Social Security elimination or the application of scientific break through are. My point is simply this:
We should allow the human to evolve to its own healing potential... for many reasons..

I think we gave up the "ability for the human to evolve its own healing potential" long ago. When a person is sick and they take antibiotics we reducing that development of a healing potential. When a pateint has a heart attack and experiences a build up of scar tissue thus leading to an enlarged heart and we go in to cut off the dead heart tissue we are altering a human's healing potential. When cholesterol buildup occurs in a person and go in and preform angioplasty and insert a drug eluding stent to prevent restenosis we continously use techonology to take over the task that our body naturally preformed.

Where would your "limit" be applied? If you get sick obviously to rest in bed is the optimal choice and let your body overcome it...but there are no doubt hundreds of millions that are alive today due to medicine preforming some of the tasks of the body.

In an intersting, and possibly twisted manner way we might be able to say that medicine itself is a problem and is weakening our gene pool by allowing those who would normally not survive TO surive and pass on their genes. Thus as generations come and go, we weaken ourselves and strengthen our ties to medicine relying on it more and more. Who knows... it might get to the point where we mimic the overlords in Halife 2 ;) We'll have all the technology in the world to allow us to live on, yet we have deteriorated so much that we are just big blobs that NEED that techonlogy to live. Is that the direction we want humans to take in the distant future...immediate medical care given (this already occurs albiet not on this scale ;)) to all newborns to allow them to live using chips, and MEMS based devices, and whatever comes our way to turn us into bionic beings from the day we are born.

Or gene therapy could take off and all humans will be automatically selected via the most optimal match of a man's sperm and female's egg a la Gattaca ;)

Anyways I'm curious to see your response :)
 

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The practical use of this technology seems to be at least a couple decades in the future. Currently the human brain is much more powerful than an Athlon64.

It does sound cool. I can't imagine being able to get a brain implant that would do math, enable one to speak hundreds of other languages, or who knows what.

 

Dissipate

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Tab
I think it would be cool to have your own computer inside your head, have something running just like Apple's dashboard... That'd be so cool...

I wouldn't want that...but I think it'd be awesome to be able to touch something and control the computer with thoughts. Imagine the possibilities with gaming, it'd be incredible. I don't think we're that far out either, I definetly think we'll see that in my lifetime...

They already have that.

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LunarRay

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Originally posted by: magomago
Originally posted by: LunarRay

Well... all things are also economic in some way. Social Security elimination or the application of scientific break through are. My point is simply this:
We should allow the human to evolve to its own healing potential... for many reasons..

I think we gave up the "ability for the human to evolve its own healing potential" long ago. When a person is sick and they take antibiotics we reducing that development of a healing potential. When a pateint has a heart attack and experiences a build up of scar tissue thus leading to an enlarged heart and we go in to cut off the dead heart tissue we are altering a human's healing potential. When cholesterol buildup occurs in a person and go in and preform angioplasty and insert a drug eluding stent to prevent restenosis we continously use techonology to take over the task that our body naturally preformed.

Where would your "limit" be applied? If you get sick obviously to rest in bed is the optimal choice and let your body overcome it...but there are no doubt hundreds of millions that are alive today due to medicine preforming some of the tasks of the body.

In an intersting, and possibly twisted manner way we might be able to say that medicine itself is a problem and is weakening our gene pool by allowing those who would normally not survive TO surive and pass on their genes. Thus as generations come and go, we weaken ourselves and strengthen our ties to medicine relying on it more and more. Who knows... it might get to the point where we mimic the overlords in Halife 2 ;) We'll have all the technology in the world to allow us to live on, yet we have deteriorated so much that we are just big blobs that NEED that techonlogy to live. Is that the direction we want humans to take in the distant future...immediate medical care given (this already occurs albiet not on this scale ;)) to all newborns to allow them to live using chips, and MEMS based devices, and whatever comes our way to turn us into bionic beings from the day we are born.

Or gene therapy could take off and all humans will be automatically selected via the most optimal match of a man's sperm and female's egg a la Gattaca ;)

Anyways I'm curious to see your response :)

Actually I had in mind about what you just wrote.. we evolve to a state of gelatinous goo ever more drawing on the economic misfit to enable our existence.... the one who works .. the drone..
I think we live and we die... based on some medical intervention but I think it stops somewhere before we are semi human. Perhaps this is long term thinking in a short term thinking world.. but like SSI in the year 2050 or global warming.. we do have a few centuries ahead and we can try and enable our posterity to be stronger and poorer rather than richer and weaker..

 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Tab
I think it would be cool to have your own computer inside your head, have something running just like Apple's dashboard... That'd be so cool...

I wouldn't want that...but I think it'd be awesome to be able to touch something and control the computer with thoughts. Imagine the possibilities with gaming, it'd be incredible. I don't think we're that far out either, I definetly think we'll see that in my lifetime...

They already have that.

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Yeah, I heard about something similar to that, very interesting stuff. I wonder how something like that will take to get to market as a consumer device? 10-15 years, more?
 

Dissipate

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Originally posted by: ntdz

Yeah, I heard about something similar to that, very interesting stuff. I wonder how something like that will take to get to market as a consumer device? 10-15 years, more?

I'm skeptical if even then. You would have to have major brain surgery.
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: ntdz

Yeah, I heard about something similar to that, very interesting stuff. I wonder how something like that will take to get to market as a consumer device? 10-15 years, more?

I'm skeptical if even then. You would have to have major brain surgery.

That's a problem, I want to see something that requires no surgery, just touching with your hand or wear around your neck. I'd never get surgery for something like that, and I'd never want a computer chip or a computer in me...
 

Dissipate

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Originally posted by: ntdz
That's a problem, I want to see something that requires no surgery, just touching with your hand or wear around your neck. I'd never get surgery for something like that, and I'd never want a computer chip or a computer in me...

A mind reading device? That would be even scarier.
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: ntdz
That's a problem, I want to see something that requires no surgery, just touching with your hand or wear around your neck. I'd never get surgery for something like that, and I'd never want a computer chip or a computer in me...

A mind reading device? That would be even scarier.

Why scary? You upload and die to the organic body coming alive in your new machine self. What is the problem with that? If your consciousness were alive in two places what fear would there be in death, right?