Bradley Manning verdict

[GarfieldtheCat]

The harder you pound him, the more empowered he will become. He will be unstoppable.

Don't understand why so many people have this obsession with prisoners getting raped in prison. Very disturbing.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Hopefully not.

Guy's obviously messed up in the head. He needs counseling, not surgery.

We can't just let people go crazy and tell them it's ok.

I doubt the military / government would allow the hormone therapy, but I'm sure he will spend a lot of time talking to a shrink. Personally I think he is going into full blown pyscho mode (in the only way he knows how) to get some kind of leniency. After all this didn't come out until one day after the sentence. He did something similar while still in his unit on deployment and it was blown off by his superiors.

One thing I still don't understand is the difference in public opinion between Manning and Snowden. The majority wanted Manning locked away for life while Snowden gets a free pass. I admit that what Manning did was more severe and deserved a sentence, but I also believe Snowden does as well, but of course lighter charges / sentence due to not blindly dumping as much information.

Personally I don't agree with what the NSA is doing, nor did I ever care for the Patriot Act, but regardless Snowden broke the law. Worst case he defected and as such needs to be prosecuted.

 

[boomerang]

(Reuters) - Bradley Manning, the U.S. soldier sentenced to 35 years in military prison for the biggest breach of classified documents in the nation's history, said on Thursday he is female and wants to live as a woman named Chelsea.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/22/us-usa-wikileaks-manning-idUSBRE97J0JI20130822

You just can't make this stuff up.

So, are we obligated to pay for his hormone therapy? Would we be obligated to pay for it if he wasn't going to prison?

Manning's lawyer David Coombs said on the TV program he expected his client to get a pardon from U.S. President Barack Obama.

Manning was convicted last month on 20 charges, including espionage and theft. He will serve his sentence at the U.S. Disciplinary Barracks at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. Coombs has said Manning could be pardoned in seven years.

Coombs said Manning was seeking hormone therapy and not a sex-change operation.

"I'm hoping that Fort Leavenworth will do the right thing and provide that. If Fort Leavenworth does not, then I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure that they are forced to do so," he said.

Guess who gets to pay for his attorney to fight for his hormone therapy?

 

[dud]

So, are we obligated to pay for his hormone therapy? Would we be obligated to pay for it if he wasn't going to prison?

Guess who gets to pay for his attorney to fight for his hormone therapy?

I can't remember the last time I was this proud to be an American.

 

[TechBoyJK]

I doubt the military / government would allow the hormone therapy, but I'm sure he will spend a lot of time talking to a shrink. Personally I think he is going into full blown pyscho mode (in the only way he knows how) to get some kind of leniency. After all this didn't come out until one day after the sentence. He did something similar while still in his unit on deployment and it was blown off by his superiors.

One thing I still don't understand is the difference in public opinion between Manning and Snowden. The majority wanted Manning locked away for life while Snowden gets a free pass. I admit that what Manning did was more severe and deserved a sentence, but I also believe Snowden does as well, but of course lighter charges / sentence due to not blindly dumping as much information.

Personally I don't agree with what the NSA is doing, nor did I ever care for the Patriot Act, but regardless Snowden broke the law. Worst case he defected and as such needs to be prosecuted.

I think Snowden is a smart, level headed guy who knows his head from his ass. He specifically leaked targeted info as a way to protect Americans from breaches by the NSA.

Manning is a drama queen (apparently literally a queen) who wanted attention, got his hands on some stuff, and threw it to the wolves to damage the US. I don't think he even knew half of what he was leaking. He just wanted to do it. Totally unstable person now more evident by his 'i wanna be a girl' charade.

I see them as two totally different situations. One's a whistleblower and the other is a crybaby.

 

[unokitty]

Manning is a drama queen (apparently literally a queen) who wanted attention, got his hands on some stuff, and threw it to the wolves to damage the US. I don't think he even knew half of what he was leaking. He just wanted to do it. Totally unstable person now more evident by his 'i wanna be a girl' charade. .

Kind of makes you wonder, don't it?

How did Manning graduate from the Army's intelligence analyst school without anyone noticing his flaws?
How the people that authorized his clearance miss his obvious gender confusion?
And how did the Military not notice that he was downloading hundreds of thousands of 'classified' documents while waiting to return to the US.

Okay, put Manning in the slammer. Is the nation any safer?

Is the Army's intelligence analyst school still graduating the next Bradley Mannings?

Are the same contractors still doing the same quality checks for security clearances?

I understand that there have been changes to classified networks, but Snowden demonstrated that there aren't any shortage of exploitable vulnerabilities.

You are welcome to feel safer with Manning in the slammer. I have no problem with people that want to feel safer.

Me, I'd rather be safer. And putting Manning in the slammer, without addressing the vulnerabilities that he exploited, doesn't make the nation any safer.


Uno

 

[mistercrabby]

The harder you pound him, the more empowered he will become. He will be unstoppable.

Emopowered to do what?

Unstoppable toward what end?

 

[boomerang]

Looks like the taxpayer's are going to get a big bill from Chelsea's lawyer.

Army: No gender reassignment for Bradley Manning

Pvt. Bradley E. Manning, the soldier convicted of the biggest leak of classified documents in history, will serve his sentence as a man, not as the woman he now claims to be, Army spokesman George Wright told The Washington Times Thursday.
He noted that the Army provides no sex-change surgery or hormone therapy but said Manning will have access to psychiatrists and other mental health professionals.
“The Army does not provide hormone therapy or sex-reassignment surgery for gender-identity disorder,” he said.


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-will-serve-time-man-army-says/#ixzz2cjN3DVha

The horror, the horror.

Edit: It's encouraging to know that their is still some semblance of sanity in the nation.

 

[werepossum]

I think Snowden is a smart, level headed guy who knows his head from his ass. He specifically leaked targeted info as a way to protect Americans from breaches by the NSA.

Manning is a drama queen (apparently literally a queen) who wanted attention, got his hands on some stuff, and threw it to the wolves to damage the US. I don't think he even knew half of what he was leaking. He just wanted to do it. Totally unstable person now more evident by his 'i wanna be a girl' charade.

I see them as two totally different situations. One's a whistleblower and the other is a crybaby.

This, exactly.

Kind of makes you wonder, don't it?

How did Manning graduate from the Army's intelligence analyst school without anyone noticing his flaws?
How the people that authorized his clearance miss his obvious gender confusion?
And how did the Military not notice that he was downloading hundreds of thousands of 'classified' documents while waiting to return to the US.

Okay, put Manning in the slammer. Is the nation any safer?

Is the Army's intelligence analyst school still graduating the next Bradley Mannings?

Are the same contractors still doing the same quality checks for security clearances?

I understand that there have been changes to classified networks, but Snowden demonstrated that there aren't any shortage of exploitable vulnerabilities.

You are welcome to feel safer with Manning in the slammer. I have no problem with people that want to feel safer.

Me, I'd rather be safer. And putting Manning in the slammer, without addressing the vulnerabilities that he exploited, doesn't make the nation any safer.


Uno

For the bolded, disqualifying or questioning someone's qualifications on something as progressive as gender identification or confusion can be a career killer. As for the rest, I believe you touched on it earlier. Government classifies so very much that even those in charge no longer really take it seriously.

 

[mistercrabby]

Yep.

Looks like the taxpayer's are going to get a big bill from Chelsea's lawyer.

Army: No gender reassignment for Bradley Manning

Pvt. Bradley E. Manning, the soldier convicted of the biggest leak of classified documents in history, will serve his sentence as a man, not as the woman he now claims to be, Army spokesman George Wright told The Washington Times Thursday.
He noted that the Army provides no sex-change surgery or hormone therapy but said Manning will have access to psychiatrists and other mental health professionals.
“The Army does not provide hormone therapy or sex-reassignment surgery for gender-identity disorder,” he said.


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-will-serve-time-man-army-says/#ixzz2cjN3DVha

The horror, the horror.

Edit: It's encouraging to know that their is still some semblance of sanity in the nation.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Still waiting on eaglekeeper to refute that no one died...it's been over several days, and he still has not been able to show that anyone died.

And also waiting for him to post links to my posts showing I find it OK that leaking info was OK....typical "attack the messenger" from hin since he doesn't want to admit he is wrong (again).

Post links showing that I said or retract your statements about me. Because you once again lied and made stuff up becuase you are mad that you were proved wrong (again)

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Imagine that, garfieldthecat being a stalking troll

 

[Zargon]

Personally I don't agree with what the NSA is doing, nor did I ever care for the Patriot Act, but regardless Snowden broke the law. Worst case he defected and as such needs to be prosecuted.

seeking asylum is not defecting

defecting means he would be sharing information with another government, which there is ZERO PROOF to support

 

[EagleKeeper]

Imagine that, garfieldthecat being a stalking troll

Still waiting on eaglekeeper to refute that no one died...it's been over several days, and he still has not been able to show that anyone died.

And also waiting for him to post links to my posts showing I find it OK that leaking info was OK....typical "attack the messenger" from hin since he doesn't want to admit he is wrong (again).

Post links showing that I said or retract your statements about me. Because you once again lied and made stuff up becuase you are mad that you were proved wrong (again)

I can live with a stalker; it makes me feel special. :biggrin:

One can not prove a negative and I have explained that I will not risk myself in violation of military law by trying to prove such.

Which forces people to think objectively.
Are people more at risk due to lack of information be it in combat or intelligence gathering/spying?

Garfield seems to thing that the answer is NO.

Let him.

 

[bshole]

I think Snowden is a smart, level headed guy who knows his head from his ass. He specifically leaked targeted info as a way to protect Americans from breaches by the NSA.

Manning is a drama queen (apparently literally a queen) who wanted attention, got his hands on some stuff, and threw it to the wolves to damage the US. I don't think he even knew half of what he was leaking. He just wanted to do it. Totally unstable person now more evident by his 'i wanna be a girl' charade.

Do you think Manning is cute as a girl?

 

[Darkman]

manning said he wants a sex change ...

his attorney said he gonna fight for THIS ....

his attorney also said he gonna ask a president to pardon manning ... LOL ... presidential pardon, so to speak

talking heads on cnn said "it ain't happening" ... but wouldn't it be something, though

/facepalm

 

[mistercrabby]

Do you think Manning is cute as a girl?

Need a selfie of his rack to decide for sure. 🙄

 

[brandonbull]

Need a selfie of his rack to decide for sure. 🙄

Is someone trying to catch the next train to Fapville?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Imagine that, garfieldthecat being a stalking troll

Imagne that, Eaglekeeper lying and attacking me, then of course refusing to admit he lied. Go figure, haven't seen that before. He just walks away after throwing out a few personal attacks since he can't defend his statements...the usual "attack the messenger" troll.

So would you like to provide proof that "people died" as a result of Manning's leaks? Fee free to link your proof here so you can show us.

I've already posted the link to the official, under oath testimony of the military during his trial clearly stating that no one died. Can you or Eaglekeeper refute this with any facts?

Or you can continue to troll.... I think we all know what you will do (continue trolling)

 

[bshole]

I think Bradly Manning is guilty....... of being better looking as a girl than a boy. LOL

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

I can live with a stalker; it makes me feel special. :biggrin:

One can not prove a negative and I have explained that I will not risk myself in violation of military law by trying to prove such.

Which forces people to think objectively.
Are people more at risk due to lack of information be it in combat or intelligence gathering/spying?

Garfield seems to thing that the answer is NO.

Let him.

Once again, you continue to lie and try and move the goalposts. Answer my question. Prove "people died". You stated that as a fact. Man up and post your proof. I already have.

Why do you feel you get special privelege to lie and not have to provide proof to back up your allegations? And then you feel free to throw out ad hom attacks on me. You of all people should know the posting rules.

Answer the the question...provide proof or admit you lied. It's really that simple.

BTW, what does the UCMJ say about acccusing senior officers of perjury? If you still believe that people died, clearly that general that testified under oath committed perjury....that is a serious claim you are making.

The government officially, on-the-record admitted no one died. The then SecDef admitted it was an annoyance. So the people that do know are saying no one died.

But anonymous tough guy eaglekeeper knows better and "knows" that people died, LOL. You a birther too? They do the same kind of consiparcy crap that you are trying to pull.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Once again, you continue to lie and try and move the goalposts. Answer my question. Prove "people died". You stated that as a fact. Man up and post your proof. I already have.

Why do you feel you get special privelege to lie and not have to provide proof to back up your allegations? And then you feel free to throw out ad hom attacks on me. You of all people should know the posting rules.

Answer the the question...provide proof or admit you lied. It's really that simple.

BTW, what does the UCMJ say about acccusing senior officers of perjury? If you still believe that people died, clearly that general that testified under oath committed perjury....that is a serious claim you are making.

The government officially, on-the-record admitted no one died. The then SecDef admitted it was an annoyance. So the people that do know are saying no one died.

But anonymous tough guy eaglekeeper knows better and "knows" that people died, LOL. You a birther too? They do the same kind of consiparcy crap that you are trying to pull.

You can play in the mudhole yourself

 

[nageov3t]

if Manning is really a transsexual, more power to her. if s/he wants to have gender reassignment surgery at her own expense, best of luck.

but I'm glad the tax payers aren't paying for medically unnecessary treatment.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

You can play in the mudhole yourself

To be clear that you are lying and refusing to answer, while all along trying to shift goalposts and attack me, this is what you said:

I am sure that people were injured/killed based on information that was released.

(post #23).

bshole asked you in the very next post to provide proof of this. You of course ignored this.

On post #56, you doubled down on your lies with this:

A that intelligence has since contributed to deaths of people.

You were asked by a second poster to provide proof (post #65). You once again refused.

I then posted (#80) the link to Manning's trial, where the government officially testified that no one died. Keep in mind to lie under oath is perjury. And this is with the 2 year investigation of the leaks, so they are officially on-the-record stating no one has died in the ~2 years since Manning leaked his info.

Your response was basically an ad hom attack on me claiming that I am OK with the leak, which is a lie and something I never claimed or posted. You claim some elaborate consipracy where the goverment might know of people being killed, but can't release it because of security, which is a bunch of BS.

So then you tried to shift this to making it that "leaking is bad, but I think it's OK", instead of the 100% false statements you made about people dying. You continue to avoid that, I wonder why?

You twice, clearly posted that people were killed as the result of these leaks. And you have multiple times refused to post anything supporting this. You also have not even bothered to try to refute the governments own official statements proving you wrong.

And now, you are taking your ball and going home. Talk about trolling.

Rule #1 of the forums is I quote:

1. No thread-crapping, thread-derailment, off-topic posting, trolling, the intentional posting of logical fallacies or misinformation.

So how is this not intentional posting of misinformation? You have anything to back up your two statements? Are are you just going to go troll elsewhere, and lie somewhere else? You clearly have been informed that you lied, yet you continue in your ad hom attacks and shifting golaposts.....why?

 

[Fern]

-snip-
I then posted (#80) the link to Manning's trial, where the government officially testified that no one died. Keep in mind to lie under oath is perjury.

Sorry to butt in, but I didn't think anyone actually believed govt testimony after the last few months of news.

Fern