BP to pay record criminal fine for Gulf oil spill.

Pr0d1gy

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That's a great idea, let's fine them so they can charge more. wtf is a stupid civilization
 

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That's a great idea, let's fine them so they can charge more. wtf is a stupid civilization
That's a great idea. Lets not have any penalties for screwing up and causing the worst oil spill in US history. That will make sure they don't do it again!

Wait, what?
 

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Your regulations did absolutely dick to stop this happening. IIRC, the people responsible for enforcing the regulations were too busy playing golf with the people they were "regulating" to do their jobs. Passing more regulations which aren't enforced simply penalizes those who follow them and gives a competitive advantage to those who don't.
 

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Your regulations did absolutely dick to stop this happening. IIRC, the people responsible for enforcing the regulations were too busy playing golf with the people they were "regulating" to do their jobs. Passing more regulations which aren't enforced simply penalizes those who follow them and gives a competitive advantage to those who don't.

I wasn't aware I created them but I do agree the people who are suppose to regulate this industry dropped the ball and we saw the same thing on Wall Street.
 

Pr0d1gy

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That's a great idea. Lets not have any penalties for screwing up and causing the worst oil spill in US history. That will make sure they don't do it again!

Wait, what?

Revoke their ability to drill in this country or near it.
 

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That's a great idea. Lets not have any penalties for screwing up and causing the worst oil spill in US history. That will make sure they don't do it again!

Wait, what?

Revoke their ability to drill in this country or near it.

Why yes, no oil is a great idea.
Or how about we let them drill wherever they want as long as they promise they will be more careful next time? That should so it, shouldn't it?
 

CycloWizard

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I wasn't aware I created them but I do agree the people who are suppose to regulate this industry dropped the ball and we saw the same thing on Wall Street.
You support them. In a representative system, that gives you ownership.
 
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That's a great idea, let's fine them so they can charge more. wtf is a stupid civilization

You can't just charge more because your cost of doing business goes up. Supply and demand sets prices, not necessarily increases in production costs, and definitely not increases for one supplier.
 

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You can't just charge more because your cost of doing business goes up. Supply and demand sets prices, not necessarily increases in production costs, and definitely not increases for one supplier.
But, but, how come people in the Dennys is going to charge more for Obamacare thread don't know this?:eek:
 

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That's a great idea, let's fine them so they can charge more. wtf is a stupid civilization

How are they going to charge more for a commodity whose price is set by a global market? Better yet, why would anyone purchase their higher priced gas/oil?
 

Darwin333

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Your regulations did absolutely dick to stop this happening. IIRC, the people responsible for enforcing the regulations were too busy playing golf with the people they were "regulating" to do their jobs. Passing more regulations which aren't enforced simply penalizes those who follow them and gives a competitive advantage to those who don't.

Actually, I think it was hookers and blow and yes I am being serious.
 

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Denny's meals are not global commodities.....

I dunno there are a hundred different ways for me to eat lunch from bringing it from home, to the 80 restauants, to the food trucks, to farmers markets, etc.
 

Pr0d1gy

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How are they going to charge more for a commodity whose price is set by a global market? Better yet, why would anyone purchase their higher priced gas/oil?

Do you really believe their prices are set by anything other than collusion and greed? If it was, why would it drop by half immediately after the '08 crash? Better yet, how could it go from being damn near a dollar a gallon in the late 90's to over $4 a gallon at times during Bush's time in office? The sooner you accept that economics is the lie they sell you at school to keep you believing in their money religion, they better of we will all be.
 
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But, but, how come people in the Dennys is going to charge more for Obamacare thread don't know this?:eek:

Well, to be fair, a cost increase across a wide number of producers can potentially shift the supply curve and increase price, but I highly doubt there will be any measurable diminished productivity from "Obamacare."
 

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Eleven felony convictions, conviction for lying to Congress, a bunch of misdemeanor convictions and a $4.5 billion dollar fine-that doesn't sound like a slap on the wrist to me. This fine is more than four times what Exxon paid in the Exxon Valdez case where a drunk captain ran the tanker aground.

At first glance it sure looks to me like Holder and the Dept of Justice got a very good result. In addition the efforts to fix the regulatory mechanisms in that field (sorely needed) are moving forward-that's where the attention should really be focused, and where much of the GOP opposition was and is. Remember all the outcry when Obama insituted a moritorium on deep sea drilling because of this spill and the horrendous oversight it exposed?

I think this is going to be one of those damned if you do and damned if you don't situations for the Obama Administration.

BTW this doesn't end everything for BP, there are still substantial liabilities to state governments and private parties to resolve. In addition, Haliburton (well capping cement) and Transocean (rig owner and operator, but under BP's control and responsibility) have yet to be resolved. And there is at least one crimminal case against a BP engineer pending.
 

HomerJS

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Technology for oil drilling - up to date
Technology to clean up oil spills - 30 yrs old
 

Jeff7

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Your regulations did absolutely dick to stop this happening. IIRC, the people responsible for enforcing the regulations were too busy playing golf with the people they were "regulating" to do their jobs. Passing more regulations which aren't enforced simply penalizes those who follow them and gives a competitive advantage to those who don't.
I think of "regulations" as including enforcement as a part of the whole package. Otherwise, yeah, there's no point in having the regulations, and it's not really "regulated" at all. The first thing that comes to mind for me is an electrical component called a voltage regulator. Its only purpose is to produce a constant and stable output voltage, which it does by constantly monitoring that output, and automatically adjusting its output voltage as the load changes. But if it doesn't bother to monitor the output or adjust it, it's not really a "regulator" now, is it?

And far too often, the large organizations are left to "self-regulate" - "Yeah sure, we did those inspections. Just rubber-stamp that form and we're good to go. And I'll see you Saturday afternoon!" Too much of that stuff like you said, where there's the revolving door of the regulators and the regulated. Or you have BS like we saw in the aftermath of the financial mess of 2008: How do we keep this from happening again? Let's ask the people who caused the problem!
Next, we should also call in some heroin dealers and addicts to advise us on how we can do a better job of enforcing anti-drug laws.



Eleven felony convictions, conviction for lying to Congress, a bunch of misdemeanor convictions and a $4.5 billion dollar fine-that doesn't sound like a slap on the wrist to me. This fine is more than four times what Exxon paid in the Exxon Valdez case where a drunk captain ran the tanker aground.
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Exxon was able to do various repeals to get their actual payment amount down. This fine might not stand. And who knows what the payment terms are. I bet it's probably not some "net 30" arrangement. :)
 
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tommo123

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Why yes, no oil is a great idea.
Or how about we let them drill wherever they want as long as they promise they will be more careful next time? That should so it, shouldn't it?

i didn't realise BP was the only oil company in existence.

how about creating a gov owned oil company to drill within US borders? that way the tax payers get something out of it - in theory at least. why let another entity siphon off precious commodities and make billions when the gov could instead?
 

CycloWizard

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i didn't realise BP was the only oil company in existence.

how about creating a gov owned oil company to drill within US borders? that way the tax payers get something out of it - in theory at least. why let another entity siphon off precious commodities and make billions when the gov could instead?
Because then you'd have many more accidents, ecological disasters, and less oil. Government is barely competent to pass and enforce laws. Petroleum engineering is much more complex.
 

Pr0d1gy

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Eleven felony convictions, conviction for lying to Congress, a bunch of misdemeanor convictions and a $4.5 billion dollar fine-that doesn't sound like a slap on the wrist to me. This fine is more than four times what Exxon paid in the Exxon Valdez case where a drunk captain ran the tanker aground.

Yeah and guess who paid those fines in the long run? You and me, fool, you and me.
 

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Do you really believe their prices are set by anything other than collusion and greed? If it was, why would it drop by half immediately after the '08 crash? Better yet, how could it go from being damn near a dollar a gallon in the late 90's to over $4 a gallon at times during Bush's time in office? The sooner you accept that economics is the lie they sell you at school to keep you believing in their money religion, they better of we will all be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inelastic_demand