BP burning endangered sea turtles alive.

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There have been murmurings of this for a few days. I had hoped it was a hoax but it's true. :(

Endangered sea turtles and other marine creatures are being corralled into 500 square-mile "burn fields" and burnt alive in operations intended to contain oil from BP's ruptured well in the Gulf of Mexico, the Obama administration confirmed today.

The killing of the turtles – which once teetered on the brink of extinction – has outraged environmentalists and could put BP into even deeper legal jeopardy.

Environmental organisations are demanding that the oil company stop blocking rescue of the turtles, and are pressing the US administration to halt the burning and look at prosecuting BP and its contractors for killing endangered species during the cleanup operation. Harming or killing a sea turtle carries fines of up to $50,000 (£33,000).

"It is criminal and cruel and they need to be held accountable," said Carole Allen, Gulf office director of the Sea Turtle Restoration Project. "There should not be another lighting of a fire of any kind till people have gone in there and looked for turtles."

The Obama administration, confirming the kills, said BP was under orders to avoid the turtles. "My understanding is that protocols include looking for wildlife prior to igniting of oil," a spokeswoman for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (Noaa) said. "We take these things very seriously."

The agency this week posted a single turtle spotter on the burn vessels, but government scientists are pressing for more wildlife experts to try to rescue the animals before the oil is lit – or at the very least to give them access to the burn fields.

"One can't just ride through an area where they are burning and expect to be safe while looking for turtles. We don't expect that, but we would like to access those areas where we suspect there may be turtles," said Blair Witherington, a sea turtle research scientist at Florida's Fish and Wildlife Research Institute.

More than 425 turtles are known to have died in the spill zone since 30 April, Noaa said.

Conservationists say the losses could imperil the long-term survival of the creatures. All five species of turtles found in the Gulf are endangered or threatened: the Kemp's Ridley most of all.

But in a video posted on YouTube, Mike Ellis, a skipper from Venice, Louisiana, accuses BP of chasing away a boat of conservationists trying to rescue turtles caught in the oil and weed a few miles away from the leak.

"They ran us out of there and then they shut us down," said Ellis.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jun/25/bp-accused-of-killing-turtles

I like turtles.
 

nageov3t

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by all means, let them row into gigantic patches of oil looking for turtles underwater.
 

her209

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I'm scared to ask what BP did with all the walruses in the Gulf Coast.
 

dahunan

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I put this whole spill on the US Government.. the whole thing

Minerals Management Service was/is possibly the biggest source of corruption in the whole world.

MMS allowed BP et al to run roughshod over laws and regulations...

MMS GAVE BP and others more than 53 billion dollars and do not hold them accountable for lying on their stated production costs etc

^^ One of the main men responsible for the billions in fraud at MMS was promoted by Bush *after the fraud*

The thieves that run this nation make it a giant embarrassment.
 

dahunan

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too bad none of the BP Execs didn't fall into the fire... maybe someone could kindly push
 

nageov3t

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I put this whole spill on the US Government.. the whole thing

Minerals Management Service was/is possibly the biggest source of corruption in the whole world.

MMS allowed BP et al to run roughshod over laws and regulations...

MMS GAVE BP and others more than 53 billion dollars and do not hold them accountable for lying on their stated production costs etc

^^ One of the main men responsible for the billions in fraud at MMS was promoted by Bush *after the fraud*

The thieves that run this nation make it a giant embarrassment.
thank god Obama worked tirelessly from day 1 to reform the MMS.
 

Hacp

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Fuck that. Its only a few turtles. How many turtles are there? How many species? Too many! Did you know that more species go extinct than survive? Chances are the turtle would have been gonners in a couple thousand years anyways, with out without BP.
 

bruceb

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I am not surprised. So far BP has not managed to do anything correctly.
 

JSt0rm

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Fuck that. Its only a few turtles. How many turtles are there? How many species? Too many! Did you know that more species go extinct than survive? Chances are the turtle would have been gonners in a couple thousand years anyways, with out without BP.

Thats a good point... If I may extend your logic to the fact that in the future the sun will explode and destroy the gulf region so we should just forget about spending money fixing it now when it will be destroyed anyhow.
 

dahunan

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I put this whole spill on the US Government.. the whole thing

Minerals Management Service was/is possibly the biggest source of corruption in the whole world.

MMS allowed BP et al to run roughshod over laws and regulations...

MMS GAVE BP and others more than 53 billion dollars and do not hold them accountable for lying on their stated production costs etc

^^ One of the main men responsible for the billions in fraud at MMS was promoted by Bush *after the fraud*

The thieves that run this nation make it a giant embarrassment.

thank god Obama worked tirelessly from day 1 to reform the MMS.


Maybe you can tell us how he can fix everything... Maybe the first way to fix MMS was to start finding a way to jail people who promoted the worst offenders

Anyhow.. MMS will be the hardest thing any president or authority ever tackles IMO...

When I say OIL BARONS... do you think "people who wish to be stewards of the land and would always use their GIANT Profits to do alllllll they could to protect the land they get their profits from"
OR do you think
"corporations that post more than $6,000,000,000 profit in only 90 days RUN SHIT.. and they run shit however they want.. or shall I say.. they do whatever their money will let them get away with"

Backup Blowout Preventer... BP fought MMS and voila.. 150 million for a BBP or TWENTY BILLION PLUS to clean this shit up

Oil Barons are not republicans or democrats... they don't care about any of them.. whoever is going to keep the status quo and promote the scammers to higher up positions is all that matters
 

Slick5150

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Fuck that. Its only a few turtles. How many turtles are there? How many species? Too many! Did you know that more species go extinct than survive? Chances are the turtle would have been gonners in a couple thousand years anyways, with out without BP.


How far along are you in your Natural Sciences PhD?
 

cubby1223

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Maybe you can tell us how he can fix everything... Maybe the first way to fix MMS was to start finding a way to jail people who promoted the worst offenders

Anyhow.. MMS will be the hardest thing any president or authority ever tackles IMO...

MMS has already been renamed, didn't you guys hear? All the problems are excused now that it is BOE. BOE has not failed us in any way before.
 

dahunan

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^^ :) that renaming was only their way to attempt to cover their tracks and divert attention etc..

scary eh.. sure was done quickly.. change the name of something that regulates 100's of billions of dollars.. just change the name at the drop of a hat...
 

JSt0rm

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but they all along with changing the name split it up into i think 3 services so there is less chance of collusion.
 

dahunan

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but they all along with changing the name split it up into i think 3 services so there is less chance of collusion.


That is a start but it would be nice to hear about corrupt employees or even any suspected of corruption to be sent to parks and recreation or parking management.

Pay any suspected of corruption their same current salary so they are not wrongly harmed by the suspicion... until they are sent to the Penitentiary
 

JSt0rm

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That is a start but it would be nice to hear about corrupt employees or even any suspected of corruption to be sent to parks and recreation or parking management.

Pay any suspected of corruption their same current salary so they are not wrongly harmed by the suspicion... until they are sent to the Penitentiary

Well I agree that some people in the public and private sector need to be skinned alive and have there balls chopped off on cspan.
 

CallMeJoe

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Fuck that. Its only a few turtles. How many turtles are there? How many species? Too many! Did you know that more species go extinct than survive? Chances are the turtle would have been gonners in a couple thousand years anyways, with out without BP.
You're going to die someday anyways, so...
 

AreaCode707

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NPR has a less-biased article on this:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128105757

Your article that they are "corralling" the turtles in the burn areas makes it sound like BP is going out of their way to kill turtles. BP is not unilaterally making this decision to set the fires and they HAVE let rescuers in to capture turtles before they set the fires.

The fact of the matter is that if you set fires, there will be wildlife caught in it. Setting fires is one way to prevent the oil reaching shore and doing more damage to the shoreline that is harder to clean, threatening countless other species. The oil cleanup decision makers are between a rock and a hard place.
A YouTube video accusing BP of burning turtles alive is popping up on lots of blogs these days.


But animal rescuers in the Gulf have reported no burned wildlife so far, although some scientists say endangered turtles are at risk of being caught in controlled fires intended to contain the oil spill. Some experts are training turtle observers to go out with the boats that ignite fires.


Research scientist Blair Witherington put two and two together a couple weeks ago. He was on a rescue mission 20 miles out at sea near where the Deepwater Horizon exploded.


"We were out catching turtles in the oil lines and witnessing the flames of the fires nearby," he says.


As they did every day, Witherington and his team raced to catch as many turtles as they could. They looked for the coconut-sized animals in skinny lines of oil. The rescuers had to leave the area when it was time for clean-up boats to set the oil on fire.


"We knew that we might be missing some. After all, they're just an oily lump amidst lumpy oil. They blend in well," he says.

Endangering The Endangered
Witherington says some turtles may be able to swim away from the fires, but he's concerned that others may be getting trapped in the flames. He's says it's especially alarming to see turtles at risk because they're so rare, and the majority of the ones getting caught in the oil are Kemp's ridleys, the rarest of them all.


"There's a legal reason to care because they're protected under the Endangered Species Act, and one can't just go about killing sea turtles the way one kills ants or flies. And people really do care about them. I'd like to think that the world is a richer place because we have sea turtles. Each and every one of them," Witherington says.
He raised his concerns about the fires with Michael Ziccardi, a veterinarian from the University of California Davis who's been coordinating the turtle rescues. Ziccardi says so far Witherington's theory hasn't been proven.

"No wildlife has been reported burned," the veterinarian says.


But Ziccardi and other experts say there's no question that turtles are in the line of fire.


The problem is that the oil is collecting in the areas of the Gulf where currents come together. The points of meeting currents pull in stuff that floats, including the golden-colored seaweed called sargassum, which is prime feeding ground for lots of animals — including young turtles.


"They're in the same areas where the oil congregates. So they are at high risk," Ziccardi says.

Working Toward A Solution
Ziccardi says he is now on the verge of putting together a system that should help prevent turtles from getting trapped in fires. He's training a team of 20 observers, and they are going out with turtle rescue boats to learn how to spot turtles in the oil. Then they'll be sent out with the boats that ignite the fires.
Witherington says the observers' job will be to thoroughly examine the pools of oil for turtles before those pools are set on fire.


"The goal is not to allow turtles to die in oil, and not to allow them to die in fires set on the sea," Witherington says.


Witherington is not sure why it has taken weeks to come up with this simple solution for preventing turtles from dying in the burns. He's sorry he wasn't able to push the bureaucracy to move faster. But he was focused on the rescues.


"We were very much immersed in a task, and I can't say that I was paying as much attention as I should have," he says.


Witherington says even he can't argue for stopping the burns because burning is a crucial way of keeping the oil from coastal areas that are home to so much other wildlife. That includes mature turtles, which are even more essential for keeping the species alive.
 

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NPR has a less-biased article on this:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128105757

Your article that they are "corralling" the turtles in the burn areas makes it sound like BP is going out of their way to kill turtles. BP is not unilaterally making this decision to set the fires and they HAVE let rescuers in to capture turtles before they set the fires.
Agreed. The OP's linked article is terrible. The most important facts (describing the actual process being used) are buried near the end of the article, and the article is front loaded with half truths and insinuations designed to lead the reader to a fictional conclusion. Most readers get bored and stop reading before they reach the end, and are left with the impression that BP is trying to kill turtles to hide evidence or something similarly ridiculous.