Boycot Naked Dixie chics?

[Zebo]

I'm stealing from you newbie

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: montanafan

umm..i think YOU missed the point. The Iraqi people were oppressed by thier GOVERNMENT..get it?...not by each other per say.

And the freedom thing you are talking about..that door swings both ways. Now if our government was doing something to these girls the you would have a point. But you are talking about people who are/were fans who have a right to speak out in a public forum such as radio and speak thier mind...agree or disagree it is thier right, just like it was her right to say what she said....unfortunately for her and her bandmates there might be some ramifications from the public.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. So many people can't seem to look any deeper into a topic than what the current helmet-hair is telling them about it.

First of all, if you think the Iraqi people weren't taking part in the suppression of opinion out of fear, and that in turn a lot of people here are either keeping quiet or joining in the bashing for the same reason, you have no understanding of human nature and history.

Secondly, the way that George W. Bush was addressing the questions of many American people about the war and dismissing them as either "for us or against us", was the whole point of the comment made by one of the band members in the first place. When the President of the United States says that you should just go along with whatever he says and not ask any questions or you're not a good American, well that could be interpreted as a form of oppression by many thinking people.

Then there's the legislator in South Carolina who made a speech in a government building, during a government meeting, as a government representative saying that when the Dixie Chicks start their tour there next week that people should run them out of town and anyone who attends the concert should be run out of town with them. He's not trying to intimidate or suppress the opinions of anyone is he?

Thirdly, of course people have a right to speak out and voice their opinion of anyone and anything; and I'm all for boycotts of products by those you want to send a message to, but that's not all that happened here. You have people calling into radion stations saying in a much ruder way than this, that these women and their families shouldn't be allowed to live in this country if they're going to question anything our government does. (This should sound awfully familiar to those of you old enough to remember the treatment of young people who opposed the Vietnam War.) Not to mention the radio station DJ who said he had their home addresses and that a mob should get together and go down there and teach them a lesson. Or the many death threats they've received over the air waves and in letters.

Fourth, yeah it does have something to do with their fan base and sexism and they should have known they'd get hit hard for expressing their opionions, but that doesn't make it the all-American thing to do. Where's the boycott against "The West Wing"? Martin Sheen went way out there in his protesting of the war in parades and television and radion commercials. Where's the outrage? What about Bruce Springsteen? Where are the headlines and the death threats?

Like I said before, the people doing these things have absolutely no understanding of what real American values are and what sort of behaviors make you un-American.

Get it?

Nope, I don't "get it". The actions you describe and attribute to Pres. Bush seem to be some figment of your imagination. You have learned the rhetorical spin line very well. Take a quote out of context, give it the meaning that you want and not what was intended and condem a person for it. I have to admit that you are good at it but it has no semblance to reality.

 

[montanafan]

Nope, I don't "get it". The actions you describe and attribute to Pres. Bush seem to be some figment of your imagination. You have learned the rhetorical spin line very well. Take a quote out of context, give it the meaning that you want and not what was intended and condem a person for it. I have to admit that you are good at it but it has no semblance to reality.

Maybe you say that because, when I saw him say it in answer to a question about Americans who did not support or had questions about the upcoming war, I was watching it on CNN and not Fox.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: montanafan

Nope, I don't "get it". The actions you describe and attribute to Pres. Bush seem to be some figment of your imagination. You have learned the rhetorical spin line very well. Take a quote out of context, give it the meaning that you want and not what was intended and condem a person for it. I have to admit that you are good at it but it has no semblance to reality.

Maybe you say that because, when I saw him say it in answer to a question about Americans who did not support or had questions about the upcoming war, I was watching it on CNN and not Fox.

You will have to do better than "I saw it on CNN". Find a refernce where "the President of the United States says that you should just go along with whatever he says and not ask any questions or you're not a good American, "



"Secondly, the way that George W. Bush was addressing the questions of many American people about the war and dismissing them as either "for us or against us", was the whole point of the comment made by one of the band members in the first place."

"I mean, the Dixie Chicks are free to speak their mind," Mr. Bush said. "They can say what they want to say. And just because ? they shouldn't have their feelings hurt just because some people don't want to buy their records when they speak out. You know, freedom is a two-way street."

Oh and for the record, Maines later declared that her comment was a joke.
Dixie Chick Natalie Maines told a New Zealand TV reporter last week that her now-infamous slam at President George W. Bush was a joke.

I'd hate to spend all that time trying to defend someone who won't even make a stand and stick with it.

 

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
Part of this Dixie Chics boycott mentality is sexist in that there is still an attitude among some that women aren't supposed to have political views.

Hey, they are the ones who named themselves "Chics"

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: EXman
These have to be photoshopped body doubles here Natalie Maines does not have a waist that small and one other chick had a baby not long ago.

http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=509413


Photoshoped Dixie Chicks

 

[Red Dawn]

I'd hate to spend all that time trying to defend someone who won't even make a stand and stick with it.

Even worse, being foolish enough to even give a damn what someone like her had to say about Dubya!

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: montanafan

Nope, I don't "get it". The actions you describe and attribute to Pres. Bush seem to be some figment of your imagination. You have learned the rhetorical spin line very well. Take a quote out of context, give it the meaning that you want and not what was intended and condem a person for it. I have to admit that you are good at it but it has no semblance to reality.

Maybe you say that because, when I saw him say it in answer to a question about Americans who did not support or had questions about the upcoming war, I was watching it on CNN and not Fox.

You will have to do better than "I saw it on CNN". Find a refernce where "the President of the United States says that you should just go along with whatever he says and not ask any questions or you're not a good American, "



"Secondly, the way that George W. Bush was addressing the questions of many American people about the war and dismissing them as either "for us or against us", was the whole point of the comment made by one of the band members in the first place."

"I mean, the Dixie Chicks are free to speak their mind," Mr. Bush said. "They can say what they want to say. And just because ? they shouldn't have their feelings hurt just because some people don't want to buy their records when they speak out. You know, freedom is a two-way street."

Oh and for the record, Maines later declared that her comment was a joke.
Dixie Chick Natalie Maines told a New Zealand TV reporter last week that her now-infamous slam at President George W. Bush was a joke.

I'd hate to spend all that time trying to defend someone who won't even make a stand and stick with it.

Yeah, too bad they didn't have the balls to stick with their beleifs and take the critisism. A joke? She could have come up with something better than that. But I don't think that this should have gotten to the point of where they were getting death threats and having garbage dumped infront of their houses. Come on now.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

I'd hate to spend all that time trying to defend someone who won't even make a stand and stick with it.

Even worse, being foolish enough to even give a damn what someone like her had to say about Dubya!

Red, normally I would agree with that but this case was just enough different to justify a little ire.

The venue in which she made her remark was a concert for her fans. That opens her up to the fact that she is using her celebrity to spread her veiws. If she had been giving an interview to a reporter than I would not have nearly the problem with it. She made that remark without any prompting.

The location that she made her remark was overseas in a location where she had said she had already heard a lot of anti-American sentiment. Her statement could only add to that sentiment.

The manner in which she made her remark. She could have wished for peace, hoped that a diplomatic solution would be found or any other number of things. No, she had to express her disgust with the President in a very personal and insulting way.



LilBlinbBlahIce

Yeah, too bad they didn't have the balls to stick with their beleifs and take the critisism. A joke? She could have come up with something better than that. But I don't think that this should have gotten to the point of where they were getting death threats and having garbage dumped infront of their houses. Come on now

I agree, death threats and littering are not the way to display displeasure with what she said. That is over the line.

montanafan

Did you ever come up with anything to prove your 'statement' about your interpertation of what Pres. Bush said?

 

[Red Dawn]

The location that she made her remark was overseas in a location where she had said she had already heard a lot of anti-American sentiment. Her statement could only add to that sentiment.

You think DCs Euro fans get more Hysterical than those who are Boycotting the DCs here because of some nonsense that little illiterate Blonde Lead Singer for the DCs spewed? Man they sound like real Country Music Fans

Now if it would have been some Good Old Boy from the NASCAR Circuit I could see reason for concern

 

[etech]

Ok Red, what words would you use to describe an American that in a foreign country deliberately stirs up anti-American sentiment.

Note, not protest the war, she didn't do that,nor express her opinion on the war, she didn't do that either. She leveled a personal insult at the leader of the US in front of a crowd of thousands at a concert.

 

[Red Dawn]

She leveled a personal insult at the leader of the US in front of a crowd of thousands at a concert.

She said she was embarrassed that Bush was from Texas. Big deal! I think her words were influenced by the crowd more than the crowd was influenced by her words. As for being embarrassed that Bush is our leader, hell half the time he speaks in public he embarrasses himself and Americans alike. I will say that it does take a lot of courage on his part knowing that the likelyhood of him making a goof out of himself is high yet still goes ahead and gives his speech.

Frankly I'm not embarrassed that Bush is out President though I am a little unnerved by some of the Neo Knuckledraggers who are his supporters like those who are calling on Boycotts of everyone who doesn't think in lockstep with them.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

She leveled a personal insult at the leader of the US in front of a crowd of thousands at a concert.

She said she was embarrassed that Bush was from Texas. Big deal! I think her words were influenced by the crowd more than the crowd was influenced by her words. As for being embarrassed that Bush is our leader, hell half the time he speaks in public he embarrasses himself and Americans alike. I will say that it does take a lot of courage on his part knowing that the likelyhood of him making a goof out of himself is high yet still goes ahead and gives his speech.

Frankly I'm not embarrassed that Bush is out President though I am a little unnerved by some of the Neo Knuckledraggers who are his supporters like those who are calling on Boycotts of everyone who doesn't think in lockstep with them.

Did you read what I posted Red?

I would have no trouble with Baines stating her objections to the war. I don't expect everyone in the US to think in "lockstep" with everyone else and you know it.

I do have a problem with the manner and location that she expressed her views, told a "joke" or whatever she did.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

She leveled a personal insult at the leader of the US in front of a crowd of thousands at a concert.

She said she was embarrassed that Bush was from Texas. Big deal! I think her words were influenced by the crowd more than the crowd was influenced by her words. As for being embarrassed that Bush is our leader, hell half the time he speaks in public he embarrasses himself and Americans alike. I will say that it does take a lot of courage on his part knowing that the likelyhood of him making a goof out of himself is high yet still goes ahead and gives his speech.

Frankly I'm not embarrassed that Bush is out President though I am a little unnerved by some of the Neo Knuckledraggers who are his supporters like those who are calling on Boycotts of everyone who doesn't think in lockstep with them.

Did you read what I posted Red?

I would have no trouble with Baines stating her objections to the war. I don't expect everyone in the US to think in "lockstep" with everyone else and you know it.

I do have a problem with the manner and location that she expressed her views, told a "joke" or whatever she did.

Enough to actually boycott their music or to call for a Boycott? I have more of a problem with the fools who would do that than what she said and where she said it.

 

[montanafan]

Gee whiz, etech, you're really obsessed and personally upset about this aren't you? We have a difference of opinion, I make a little joke about it, and you get all incensed as though I've personally attacked you and you can't let it go.

I know what I saw and heard and what it made me think and feel, but hey, you've convinced me that I should come on this message board and check with you before I listen to my silly little mind again.

If you had absolutely no unanswered questions or dare I say, thoughts in your mind about the impending war on Iraq, it's your perogative, but don't expect those of us who put a lot of stock into knowledge and the occasional questioning of authority (especially when it comes to something kind of serious, like sending Americans to die for a cause) to just turn off our brains and turn on our Lee Greenwood CDs. How's that for following your and other's (like the DC bashers) example of making personal attacks on those who disagree with them? Talk about not getting the point!

I supported the war on Iraq. I hate that it had to be done, but I respect Bush for having the balls to be the one to do something that we've known would have to be done sooner or later as part of the war on terrorism. If you want to know more about how I feel about that, I posted it here.

As for defending the Dixie Chicks, I don't know if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but that was never the point of my posts. I don't own a Dixie Chicks CD and probably never will. I've seen some of their videos and heard some of their songs on the radio and liked a few of them, but I'm hardly a DC groupie in the way that you seem to be a Bush groupie. I say more power to the people who have decided not to buy their CDs as a way of protesting their comment. That's the correct and all-American way of showing a business entity that you don't like their practices.

My objections are to the ignorant, undemocratic, Saddam-like attitudes and behavior or those calling into radion stations and wishing, if not all-out threatening, violence against them and their families for making a political comment they didn't like. My objections are to the lack of education in democratic and American values displayed by so many today who aren't capable of carrying on a debate or political discussion without having it deteriorate into personal attacks, labeling, and name-calling.

I don't know how old you are, but I remember the atmosphere in this country during the '60s when there were a lot of questions being asked of those in authority about a lot of issues. For a long time the only answers they received to their questions were things like, "Love it or Leave it" when it came to the war, or comments like, "Ni**** Lover" when it came to civil rights. I absolutely despised those types of attitudes and always will whether you can understand that or not.

 

[Spongo]

word.

 

[friedpie]

I don't get the logic of buying their music if you don't even like it. You are just putting more money into the filthy rich record execs' pockets. Great idea.

 

[przero]

"Now if it would have been some Good Old Boy from the NASCAR Circuit I could see reason for concern".

That's me. and I won't be spending any money on the Dixie Chicks any time soon. By the way, has Reverend Jackson issued a statement supporting the DIXIE Chicks yet?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: przero
"Now if it would have been some Good Old Boy from the NASCAR Circuit I could see reason for concern".

That's me. and I won't be spending any money on the Dixie Chicks any time soon. By the way, has Reverend Jackson issued a statement supporting the DIXIE Chicks yet?

I wouldn't walk across the street to se a fgree show by them no matter what their view of Dubya was. Of course I'm not gonna get my self all worked up because some entertainer called him a dumb fsck. I could care less what any entertainer has to say about politics including hysterical idiots like Charlie Daniels, Martin Sheen or Chucky Heston.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: przero
"Now if it would have been some Good Old Boy from the NASCAR Circuit I could see reason for concern".

That's me. and I won't be spending any money on the Dixie Chicks any time soon. By the way, has Reverend Jackson issued a statement supporting the DIXIE Chicks yet?

I wouldn't walk across the street to se a fgree show by them no matter what their view of Dubya was. Of course I'm not gonna get my self all worked up because some entertainer called him a dumb fsck. I could care less what any entertainer has to say about politics including hysterical idiots like Charlie Daniels, Martin Sheen or Chucky Heston.

Carefull there, Heston has biblical powers still to this day.....

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: przero
"Now if it would have been some Good Old Boy from the NASCAR Circuit I could see reason for concern".

That's me. and I won't be spending any money on the Dixie Chicks any time soon. By the way, has Reverend Jackson issued a statement supporting the DIXIE Chicks yet?

I wouldn't walk across the street to se a fgree show by them no matter what their view of Dubya was. Of course I'm not gonna get my self all worked up because some entertainer called him a dumb fsck. I could care less what any entertainer has to say about politics including hysterical idiots like Charlie Daniels, Martin Sheen or Chucky Heston.

Carefull there, Heston has biblical powers still to this day.....

He just has a hard time remembering what they are!