Rock Hydra
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the kid was responsible for his own death
1. he was shooting bottle rockets at traffic
2. he ran into traffic
1. he was shooting bottle rockets at traffic
2. he ran into traffic
Spike
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Originally posted by: BatmanNate
WTF, my state is becoming Florida.
No way dude, WA will NEVER become a Florida!
Not sure how I feel about the kids, seems like everyone was behaving pretty stupidy in this situation, but what can you expect from Tacoma...
purbeast0
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ok i finished reading the thread, and i seriously think that the kid who died was myusername's child at the way he is defending this little kid.
look at it from this point of view ...
say the whole incident happened as it did, however when the bottle rocket hit this guys car he swerved, and another car next to him swerved off the road and killed the driver along with 3 passengers in the car, all being 3 children under 14 years old. THEN the driver and his passenger went after these 2 little kids. and THEN the kid running away from the driver was killed by the traffic in the street.
would you feel sorry for the kid then? i doubt anyone would.
look at it from this point of view ...
say the whole incident happened as it did, however when the bottle rocket hit this guys car he swerved, and another car next to him swerved off the road and killed the driver along with 3 passengers in the car, all being 3 children under 14 years old. THEN the driver and his passenger went after these 2 little kids. and THEN the kid running away from the driver was killed by the traffic in the street.
would you feel sorry for the kid then? i doubt anyone would.
Heh reminds me of the time I threw a snowball at a passing motorcycle. When the snow melted my Mom had no idea where the motorcycle tracks through our yard had come from.
cKGunslinger
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I'd be chasing him down so I could snatch him by his nappy head and drag his ass all the way to his parent's house so I could ring the bell and punch his dad square in the face for raising such a fvcktard..
well, to an extent i was serious, considering that with the given information, i'd assume these guys were really pissed and just wanted to beat up on smaller kids or cause considerable damage, probably trying to kill them. my first instinct after i read this was that the guy who chased the kid who died probably thought "oh good, now he's a goner." it is a very insensitive approach, but it's not impossible.
anyhow, i'm more or less focusing on the fact that it resulted in a death and an innocent girl has to live with this "mistake." who pays for damages when you psychologically destroy someone by chasing a kid into a busy street? it affects a bunch of innocent parties at the price of simple but extreme anger.
still, i'd imagine there were other places to run. maybe the kid asked for it. maybe he thought the cars would stop for him. in any event, the kid was dumb for doing what he did (both running into the street and playing stupid pranks), but we can't rule out the motives of the driver of the car (and the passenger).
i hope these guys are given the right to a fair trial when the time comes. my first instinct may not be necessarily the right one.
Zenmervolt
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Since the first guy beat the other child, yes, it's legitimate that the child who ran into traffic was fearing for his life.
_However_, had there been no beating and simply a chase to apprehend the kids or to only chase them and scare them a little, then the driver shouldn't be responsible. Technically the kids could be brought up on assault with a deadly weapon, especially if any of the cars had their windows down.
ZV
_However_, had there been no beating and simply a chase to apprehend the kids or to only chase them and scare them a little, then the driver shouldn't be responsible. Technically the kids could be brought up on assault with a deadly weapon, especially if any of the cars had their windows down.
ZV
Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: myusername
That's called assault.
again, did you even read the article? since when is chasing someone assaulting someone?
hell, that means when i was 6 years old i was assaulting people every day while i thought i was playing hide and seek.
the problem is that most people don't understand what assault means. assault basically means threatening to injure someone.
look at it like this:
-- when you punch someone in the face, up until the second you actually contact his face with your fist, it is just assault. by moving your fist towards his face in a manner that makes him think you are going to punch him, you are legally threatening that you'll be punching him soon.
-- the instant your fist hits his face, you have committed battery as well as assault. battery is the actual act of hitting the guy. the threat of hitting him (assault) carries over. this is why you hear the term "assault and battery."
-- if you sneak up behind a guy and sucker punch him in the back of the head without threatening him or letting him know that you are going to be punching him, you haven't assaulted him and are thus only guilty of battery.
back to the op.
by chasing after the kid, the driver committed assault. it could be argued whether or not he is also culpable for the death of the kid.
because the passenger was able to catch up with kid #2 and started beating on him, he is guilty of at least assault and battery.
Though it's clearly not the popular thing to do, I have to agree with myusername on this one. Under the law, the driver who chased the kid into traffic should be charged with reckless endangerment or assualt. That doesn't mean he'll be convicted of it, that's for a jury to sort out. The law has to be applied in this case to try to prevent something similar from happening again when people try to take the law into their own hands. We outlawed vigilante justice in this country a long time ago just because of this sort of thing.
Justice and the law are two different things. If those guys had chased down the kids and boxed their ears for what they did, that would have been a form of justice. Did they have a legal right to do that? No. They decided to take the law into their own hands and extract a little justice of their own and because of that things went all to hell very quickly.
Many of us can sympathize with the driver who chased the boy because we could see ourselves do the same thing under the circumstances. I can understand that. But I cannot understand those who say they cannot sympathize with the boy who died. How many of you have never pulled a stupid stunt in your youth that could have led to these very same results if things had gone just a little differently? How many of you never threw a snowball at a passing car on a winter day or never threw eggs at a car on Halloween? Could you have caused an accident that resulted in someone being injured? Sure. Did you deserve to die for it? How can you say this boy got what he deserved?
Justice and the law are two different things. If those guys had chased down the kids and boxed their ears for what they did, that would have been a form of justice. Did they have a legal right to do that? No. They decided to take the law into their own hands and extract a little justice of their own and because of that things went all to hell very quickly.
Many of us can sympathize with the driver who chased the boy because we could see ourselves do the same thing under the circumstances. I can understand that. But I cannot understand those who say they cannot sympathize with the boy who died. How many of you have never pulled a stupid stunt in your youth that could have led to these very same results if things had gone just a little differently? How many of you never threw a snowball at a passing car on a winter day or never threw eggs at a car on Halloween? Could you have caused an accident that resulted in someone being injured? Sure. Did you deserve to die for it? How can you say this boy got what he deserved?
they should have called the cops, not go after the kids and beat the crap out of them. So yes they deserve to be charged.
However, i dont feel too sorry for the kids that died.
However, i dont feel too sorry for the kids that died.
kid prob watched to much movie where chase scenes always lead to running and dodging traffic to get away from bad guys. lol
just that he wasnt fast enough...
I agree, its only inevitable that a confrontation was going to happen shooting bottle rockets at cars... I sure as hell wouldnt let that slide. I probably wouldnt attack a 12 year old, but id either scare the hell out of them, or call the cops.
If they just scared the kids and chased them off, and the kid got hit by a car, darwin.
If the kid was running for his life, Manslaughter.
It looks like the latter (from the kids point of view).
Darwinism comes into play here. These kids were just stupid as fvck. We've done retarded shyt like throwin acorns at cars in our neighborhood, nothing like shooting bottle rockets at cars on the damn highway.
And when did it become a good idea to run into the road? Hmm... take the beating, OR run into highway and get hit by car travelling 50+ mph.
And when did it become a good idea to run into the road? Hmm... take the beating, OR run into highway and get hit by car travelling 50+ mph.
The Lakewood/Spanaway area is just south of Tacoma. Its a very working class area, with lots of people working at the nearby army and airforce bases. The people there are not rednecks. But they are not the kind of people you want to mess with.
SR-7 is especially bad. Its a very busy road, with a good number of taverns along the way. That said, the sherrif and local police frequent the road quite often due to the number of bars and taverns in the area (DUI hunters).
Who knows what these kids' parents would have done. They might have beat the heck out of them themselves. They might have shrugged it off and screamed at the police for roughing up their boys. We have no idea what these parents' mentallity is, especially letting their kids out this late.
Agreed. Small likelihood that the kids would have been caught, and most likely a few years in juvi at best, where they'd most likely end up worse for having spent time in the system.
It's not about feeling powerful, smartass. Its about instilling the fear of god into these kids. The system never would have dished out the proper justice for what these kids had coming to them.
Yeah, like the kids would have stuck around for the police! Cops around there don't use unmarked cars, and I highly doubt that the kids were sticking around after shooting off their fireworks.
Chance of success finding them? Slim.
Odds of conviction? Tiny.
Justice served? Doubtful.
I am glad that a tiny dose of chlorine has been tossed into the gene pool. What a little punk.
alkemyst
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Hmmm take an interview, I did this about 7 years agom you will be surprised at these 'kids' answers.
I can guarantee these kids were hoping for a car wreck, unfortunately it involved one of them.
Kids today know, absolutely know, they are untouchable because there are so many bleeding hearts out there (esp. the virgins trying to do their mothers who are only cashing out on these geeks).
I did stupid things as a kid, but nothing that would have hurt anyone but myself. Some of the pranks did cost cash, but never was anyone endangered but me. Today it's like 'Fuc... them, let's do this'
You can have a kid shot someone point blank and then have a ton of people saying 'he is just a kid, he didn't know.'
alkemyst
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you are teh clueless. Most kids here don't say anything but 'touch me and my parents will sue you!'
I had two fu))ers steal my air caps, after they tried to do it just as I pulled up and was exiting my car at our clubhouse (mid 6 figure properties). Chased them off went inside to workout and saw them come back and steal all of $5 but off my car. Personally I would have liked to take a 45# plate and just flatten them. However I went out and asked WTF was the problem since I caught them once.
One of the kids said my dad's a doctor I get to do what I want...then added a buh-bye.
WTF was I to do. I basically got robbed, and had no recourse nor retaliation.
So let's say you chase me... and let's say that I run 500 feet over to a bridge and jump off. Is that your fault? What if I run 2 miles away and then jump into traffic?
I do not think the one doing the chasing should be responsible for the poor decisions made by the guy fleeing, since there's no limit to how dumb that person can be.
That's why we need to limit responsibility to the person being in control of themself. If they're *thrown* into traffic, it's the other person's fault. If you *run* into traffic under your own power, that's your fault.
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