Isreal is illegally occupying land. Why don't you read the whole post before blindly responding? As long as they are controlling an entire people and treating them like animals, they will not have the moral upper hand.
Isreal is illegally occupying land. Why don't you read the whole post before blindly responding? As long as they are controlling an entire people and treating them like animals, they will not have the moral upper hand.
The land is "illegal" in what way? they won it fair and square in the SIX DAY WAR. Remember that? that was when israel defeated 4 arab countries in 6 days, a world record. You apologists make me sick since you fail to realize the source of arab frustration: arab failure.
Blah, blah we got your "I hate Arabs" stance early on in this discussion. It is illegal as it violates multiple UN resolutions. Forget that, even if an occupying power takes land, they have the responsability, under International Law to treat the conquered people humanely, something Israel has failed to do miserably. Anyway, Israel had disregarded the UN without any regard thanks to the protection of the US. Here are some of the resolutions violated or ignored by Israel:
SC Resolution 42 (1948) of 5 March 1948 [Adopted at 263rd meeting
(8-0-3) (3 abstentions were Argentina, Syria, United Kingdom)]
SC Resolution 43 (1948) of 1 April 1948 [Adopted at 277th meeting -
unanimously]
SC Resolution 44 (1948) of 1 April 1948 [Adopted at
277th meeting (9-0-2) (2 abstentions were Ukrainian Soviet Socialist
Republic, U.S.S.R.)]
SC Resolution 46 (1948) of 17 April 1948 [Adopted at 283rd meeting
(9-0-2) (2 abstentions were Ukrainian S.S.R., U.S.S.R.)]
SC Resolution 48 (1948) of 23 April 1948 [Adopted at 287th meeting
(8-0-3) (3 abstentions were Colombia, Ukrainian S.S.R., U.S.S.R.)]
SC Resolution 49 (1948) of 22 May 1948 [Adopted at 302nd meeting
(8-0-3) (3 abstentions were Syria, Ukrainian S.S.R., U.S.S.R.)]
SC Resolution 50 (1948) of 29 May 1948 [Adopted at 310th meeting
(Draft was voted on in parts, no vote taken on text as a whole.)]
SC Resolution 53 (1948) of 7 July 1948 [Adopted at 331st meeting
(8-0-3) (3 abstentions were Syria, Ukrainian S.S.R., U.S.S.R.)]
SC Resolution 54 (1948) of 15 July 1948 [Adopted at 338th meeting
(7-1-3) (1 against was Syria, 3 abstentions were Argentina, Ukrainian
S.S.R., U.S.S.R.)]
SC Resolution 56 (1948) of 19 August 1948 [Adopted at 354th meeting
(Draft was voted on in parts, no vote taken on the text as a whole.)]
SC Resolution 57 (1948) of 18 September 1948 [Adopted at 358th
meeting-unanimously]
SC Resolution 59 (1948) of 19 October 1948 [Adopted at 367th meeting
-unanimously]
SC Resolution 60 (1948) of 29 October 1948 [Adopted at 375th meeting
(without a vote)]
SC Resolution 61 (1948) of 4 November 1948 [Adopted at 377th meeting
(9-1-1) (1 against was Ukrainian S.S.R.; 1 abstention was U.S.S.R.)]
SC Resolution 62 (1948) of 16 November 1948 [Adopted at 381st
meeting (Draft was voted on in parts, no vote taken on the text as a
whole.)]
SC Resolution 66 (1948) of 29 December 1948 [Adopted at 396th
meeting (8-0-3) (3 abstentions were Ukrainian S.S.R., U.S.S.R., U.S.)]
SC Resolution 69 (1949) of 4 March 1949 [Adopted at 414th meeting
(9-1-1) (1 against was Egypt, 1 abstention was U.K.)]
SC Resolution 72 (1949) of 11 August 1949 [Adopted at 437th meeting
(without vote)]
SC Resolution 73 (1949) of 11 August 1949 [Adopted at 437th meeting
(9-0-2) (2 abstentions were Ukrainian S.S.R., U.S.S.R.)]
SC Resolution 101 (1953) of 24 November 1953 [Adopted at 642nd
meeting (9-0-2) (2 abstentions were Lebanon, U.S.S.R.)]
SC Resolution 89 (1950) of 17 November 1950 [Adopted at 524th
meeting (10-0-2) (2 abstentions were Egypt, U.S.S.R.)]
SC Resolution 119 (1956) of 31 October 1956 [Adopted at 751st
meeting (7-2-2) (2 against were France, U.K., 2 abstentions were
Australia, Belgium)]
SC Resolution 127 (1958) of 22 January 1958 [Adopted at 810th
meeting - unanimously] ". . . 'recommends' Israel suspend its 'no-man's zone' in
Jerusalem";
SC Resolution 162 (1961) of 11 April 1961 [Adopted at 949th meeting
(8-0-3) (3 abstentions were Ceylon, U.S.S.R., United Arab Republic) ". . . 'urges'
Israel to comply with UN decisions";
SC Resolution 228 (1966) of 25 November 1966 [Adopted at 1328th
meeting (14-01) (1 abstention was New Zealand)]
SC Resolution 233 (1967) of 6 June 1967 [Adopted at 1348th meeting -
unanimously]
SC Resolution 234 (1967) of 7 June 1967 [Adopted at 1350th meeting -
unanimously]
SC Resolution 237 (1967) of 14 June 1967 [Adopted at 1361st meeting
- unanimously] ". . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees";
SC Resolution 242 (1967) of 22 November 1967 [Adopted 1382nd meeting
-unanimously]
SC Resolution 248 (1968) of 24 March 1968 [Adopted at 1407th meeting
- unanimously] ". . . 'condemns' Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan";
SC Resolution 250 (1968) of 27 April 1968 [Adopted at 1417th meeting
- unanimously] ". . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in
Jerusalem";
SC Resolution No. 251 (1968) of 2 May 1968 [Adopted at 1420th
meeting - unanimously] ". . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in Jerusalem
in defiance of Resolution 250";
SC Resolution No. 252 (1968) of 21 May 1968 [Adopted at 1426th
meeting (13-0-2) (2 abstentions were Canada, U.S.)] ". . . 'declares invalid'
Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital";
SC Resolution 259 (1968) of 27 September 1968 [Adopted at 1454th
meeting (12-0-3) (3 abstentions were Canada, Denmark, U.S.)] ". . . 'deplores'
Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation";
SC Resolution 267 (1969) of 3 July 1969 [Adopted at 1485th meeting -
unanimously] ". . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the
status of Jerusalem";
SC Resolution 271 (1969) of 15 September 1969 [Adopted at 1512th
meeting (11-0-4) (4 abstentions were Colombia, Finland, Paraguay, U.S.)]
". . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem";
SC Resolution 298 (1971) of 25 September 1971 [Adopted at 1582nd
meeting (14-0-1)(1 abstention was Syria)] ". . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of
the status of Jerusalem";
SC Resolution 331 (1973) of 20 April 1973 [Adopted at 1710th meeting
- unanimously]
SC Resolution 338 (1973) of 22 October 1973 [Adopted at 1747th
meeting-unanimously]
SC Resolution 339 (1973) of 23 October 1973 [Adopted at 1748th
meeting (14-0-0) (China did not vote)]
SC Resolution 344 (1973) of 15 December 1973 [Adopted at 1760th
meeting (10-0-4) (4 abstentions were France, U.S.S.R., U.K., U.S.)]
SC Resolution 381 (1975) of 30 November 1975 [Adopted at 1856th
meeting (13-0-0) (China and Iraq did not vote)]
SC Resolution 425 (1978) of 19 March 1978 [Adopted at 2074th meeting
(12-0-2) (2 abstentions were Czechoslovakia and U.S.S.R., China did not
participate in the voting)] ". . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon";
SC Resolution 446 (1979) of 22 March 1979 [Adopted at 2134th meeting
(12-0-3) (3 abstentions were Norway, U.K., U.S.)] ". . . 'determines' that Israeli
settlements are a 'serious obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by
the Fourth Geneva Convention";
SC Resolution 452 (1979) of 20 July 1979 [Adopted at 2159th meeting
(14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] ". . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements
in occupied territories";
SC Resolution 465 (1980) of 1 March 1980 [Adopted at 2203rd meeting
- unanimously] ". . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member states
not to assist Israel's settlements program";
SC Resolution 468 (1980) of 8 May 1980 [Adopted at 2221st meeting
(14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] ". . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions
of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return";
SC Resolution 469 (1980) of 20 May 1980 [Adopted at 2223rd meeting
(14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] ". . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to
observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians";
SC Resolution 471 (1980) of 5 June 1980 [Adopted at 2226th meeting
(14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] ". . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's
failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention";
SC Resolution 476 (1980) of 30 June 1980 [Adopted at 2242nd meeting
(14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] ". . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to
Jerusalem are 'null and void'";
SC Resolution 478 (1980) of 20 August 1980 [Adopted at 2245th
meeting (14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] ". . . 'censures (Israel) in the
strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'";
SC Resolution 484 (1980) of 19 December 1980 [Adopted 2260th
meeting-unanimously] ". . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re-admit
two deported Palestinian mayors";
SC Resolution 500 (1982) of 28 January 1982 [Adopted at 2330th
meeting (13-0-2) (2 abstentions were U.K., U.S.)]
SC Resolution 508 (1982) of 5 June 1982 [Adopted at 2374th meeting
-unanimously]
SC Resolution 509 (1982) of 6 June 1982 [Adopted at 2375th meeting -
unanimously] ". . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and
unconditionally from Lebanon";
SC Resolution 512 (1982) of 19 June 1982 [Adopted at 2380th meeting
- unanimously]
SC Resolution 513 (1982) of 4 July 1982 [Adopted at 2382nd meeting -
unanimously]
SC Resolution 515 (1982) of 29 July 1982 [Adopted at 2385th meeting
(14-0-0) (U.S. did not participate in the vote.)] ". . . 'demands' that Israel lift
its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in";
SC Resolution 516 (1982) of 1 August 1982 [Adopted at 2386th meeting
- unanimously]
SC Resolution 517 (1982) of 4 August 1982 [Adopted at 2389th meeting
(14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] ". . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN
resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon";
SC Resolution 518 (1982) of 12 August 1982 [Adopted at 2392nd
meeting - unanimously] ". . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN
forces in Lebanon";
SC Resolution 520 (1982) of 17 September 1982 [Adopted at 2395th
meeting - unanimously] ". . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut";
SC Resolution 521 (1982) of 19 September 1982 [Adopted 2396th
meeting-unanimously]
SC Resolution 573 (1985) of 4 October 1985 [Adopted at 2615th
meeting (14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.) ". . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously'
for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters;
SC Resolution 592 (1986) of 8 December 1986 [Adopted at 2727th
meeting (14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] ". . . 'strongly deplores' the
killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops";
SC Resolution 605 (1987) of 22 December 1987 [Adopted at 2777th
meeting (14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] ". . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's
policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians;
SC Resolution 607 (1988) of 5 January 1988 [Adopted at 2780th
meeting - unanimously] ".. . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians
and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention;
SC Resolution 608 (1988) of 14 January 1988 [Adopted at 2781st
meeting (14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] ". . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel
has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians";
SC Resolution 611 (1988) of 25 April 1988 [Adopted at 2810th meeting
(14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)]
SC Resolution 636 (1989) of 6 July 1989 [Adopted at 2870th meeting
(14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] ". . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of
Palestinian civilians;
SC Resolution 641 (1989) of 30 August 1989 [Adopted at 2883rd
meeting (14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)] ". . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing
deportation of Palestinians;
SC Resolution 672 (1990) of 12 October 1990 [Adopted at 2948th
meeting-unanimously] ". . . 'condemns' Israel for violence against Palestinians
at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount;
SC Resolution 673 (1990) of 24 October 1990 [Adopted at 2949th
meeting-unanimously] ". . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the
United Nations;
SC Resolution 681 (1990) of 20 December 1990 [Adopted at 2970th
meeting -unanimously] ". . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of the deportation
of Palestinians;
SC Resolution 694 (1991) of 24 May 1991 [Adopted at 2989th meeting -
unanimously] ". . . 'deplores' Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on
it to ensure their safe and immediate return;
SC Resolution 726 (1992) of 6 January 1992 [Adopted at 3026th
meeting - unanimously] ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of
Palestinians;
SC Resolution 799 (1992) of 18 December 1992 [Adopted at 3151st
meeting-unanimously] ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of 413
Palestinians and calls for their immediate return."
SC Resolution 904 (1994) of 18 March 1994 [Adopted at 3351st meeting
- unanimously (Draft was voted on in parts, with the U.S. abstaining on
two preambular paragraphs. No vote was taken on the text as a whole.)]
SC Resolution 1073 (1996) of 28 September 1996 [Adopted at 3698th
meeting (14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)]
SC Resolution 1322 (2000) of 7 October 2000 Adopted at 4205th
meeting (14-0-1) (1 abstention was U.S.)]
Resolution 1397 (2002) of 12 March 2002 [Adopted at ?th meeting
(14-0-1) (1 abstention was the Syrian Arab Republic)]
Resolution 1402 (2002) of 30 March 2002 [Adopted at 4503 rd meeting
(14-0-1) (1 abstention was the Syrian Arab Republic)]
Resolution 1403 (2002) of 4 April 2002 [Adopted at 4506 th
meeting-unanimously]
Resolution 1405 (2002) of 19 April 2002 [Adopted at 4516th
meeting-unanimously]
The occupation is illegal. Period. You don't know sh!t, but yet you love arguing as if you did. You have still not responded to some of the issues I have brought up in other posts and you never bother to cite evidence of any kind. Either bring forward some real debate or just keep it to yourself.
screw the UN. It created israel and Palestine. It stood by and did nothing while the arabs invaded israel five times to destroy her. And when the israelis win, the arabs complain to the UN, which almost always comes to their side. I have as much respect for the United Nations as I do for that 10 cent hooker in romania. Just because the UN says it's illegal doesn't mean it is. And let's not forget that this is the same UN that categorized Zionism as a racist entity for almost 25 years before it came to its senses. And this is the same UN that has to be pushed to carry out its own resolutions.
And I don't know what arguments you are talking about that I have yet to refute. The fact is the arab have failed in so many ways it's not even funny anymore. It must be a damn shame seeing Palestinian being slaughtered in the West Bank and Gaza Strip and yet all the 300 million arabs can do is curse at the tv, knwoing the impotence of their governments (who are too afraid to face israel). What a bunch of puss.
You're beyond help. You're too simple to see the broader picture and too engulfed with your arab hate to make any sense. Just don't forget, all it took was 19 arabs to bring this country to its knees not to long ago. By dismissing their problems and by blindly supporting Israel regardless of her actions, we are just fueling the fire of hate directed towards us. We might be able to take out countries, but save genocide, we will not be able to get rid of all arabs. The only way to deal with the hate directed towards us is to confront the sources of it. But you just keep waving your flag and coming up with witty insults. Ignorance must be bliss, I wish I knew.
yeah - apparently his imagination is so wild (and he's so childish) he believes i live in a cave and am posting my hatred on anandtech. What did you expect??? He's a freakin childish moron - just like the rest of his kind. Give him a break - there's nothing you can do about it. Israel will forever be good and arabs will forever be categorized as terrorists. Oh yeah, and i'm from Persia even tho Persia doesn't exist. Heh. Like i said earlier - America thrives off of your kind, Dari. The more convinced you are of your Freedom, the more we prosper. Btw, speaking of freedom and democracy, how much say did you have in going to war, or was it based on the sole decision of our "president". I think the only reason you support mr. bush is because you guys share something in common. you're both idiots, and you must have sympathy for your kind.
Proof that your typical FOX news viewer will believe EVERYTHING they read - omg i have lost all hope for you conservatives - seriously
Since when was war a sign of progression? NEVER you idiot...
They got the land they got, the occupied landmasses are called occupied by just about every country around the world...
Sure, with the US backing them with weapons, they got whatever they wanted, superior military might by proxy?
What causes just about all of the instability in the middle east? why do you think that every arab country supports Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad?
Just give the Jews florida and watch them move into settlements around your country claiming it is theirs, throwing out farmers from their houses and lands... watch them farmers while they act nice and apologetic as they are thrown out, because if they do anything, then they are terrorists and must be fought...
Stupidity only goes so far Dari, you are so filled with hate that you cannot see straight... the arabs own the land, the Israelis are taking it, the arabs are fighting them in the only way they can... the big army always call the small army terrorists because the small army uses what they got...
if we are going back a bit in history and use your logic in WWII, then the Nazi earned all the land they have conquered fair and square. And during the time before Hitler went to war against Russian and before US join the war, French, Poland, and most of European countries would be under German rules and that is alright with you, cause they (Nazi) won it fair and square in the war, and nobody has right to dispute it because it's their (Allied) failure.
And what about Israel? well there will be none, cause as the result of your logic, the final solution for the jewish people will indeed become reality
and what is more depressing is Israel seemed to forget their history and starting to act like the Nazi themselves in treating their non-jewish citizens and their weaker neighbour Palestinian (suicide bomber aside)...
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i did read you post. while they do treat the non-jewish population as second class citizens they will have the upper hand as long as jewish civilians are dying. not to mention the many times israel was attacked by its neighbors.
What really amazes me is that if a suicide bomber kills women and children, he is a terrorist scumbag, but if israeli (or us) forces kill twice as many, they are just casualties of war and the one who does it is just another hero...
sick, SICK, SICK!!! it makes me sick how you view these people, they are humans, just like you and me, they are fighting in the only way they know how, for their country, yet you condemn them while praising the ones blowing up civilians while sitting safely behind armor...
I wish, just for one day, you would be in their position, no, i do not wish that you would die, just to be in their position, to feel theri despair, then you might understand...
sick, SICK, SICK!!! it makes me sick how you view these people, they are humans, just like you and me, they are fighting in the only way they know how, for their country, yet you condemn them while praising the ones blowing up civilians while sitting safely behind armor...
I wish, just for one day, you would be in their position, no, i do not wish that you would die, just to be in their position, to feel theri despair, then you might understand...
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you're forgetting it was reconquered land by the allies. we won it back and, in the case of western europe, reset it to its previous boundaries. i'd also remind you that one of the allies used the portion of land that it conquered to create a buffer zone between itself and germany, as well as keeping some of the land it took from a country it mutually invaded with germany in 1939. it then had the boundary of germany drawn 100 miles to the west of the previous boundary to make up a bit for what it took. boundaries which stand today. sometimes the world is an unfair place.
Israeli civilians are dying because their gov. is continuing an occupation. And you're wrong, Israeli Arabs are treated like second class citizens, Palestininas are treated like dogs. How does any of this give them the moral upper hand? Israel had not been attacked by its neighbors in quite some time, and they have even reconciled their differences with many ie: Egypt. Give me a real reason why you think Israel has the moral upper hand, and "its in the Bible" doesn't count.
Oh yes there is such a thing, of course, nations like Libya, Afghanistan (before the war) and the US wouldn't have that...
But the rest ofthe world abides by it just fine and forget you're even there...
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Israeli civilians are dying because their gov. is continuing an occupation. And you're wrong, Israeli Arabs are treated like second class citizens, Palestininas are treated like dogs. How does any of this give them the moral upper hand? Israel had not been attacked by its neighbors in quite some time, and they have even reconciled their differences with many ie: Egypt. Give me a real reason why you think Israel has the moral upper hand, and "its in the Bible" doesn't count.[/quote]
when did i say that the non-jewish population wasn't treated as second class citizens? i believe i stated just that thing. you've shown a remarkable ability to misread things. nor have i ever stated anything about the bible. the palestinians do not have the moral upper hand because their fighters intentionally target civilians while the israeli fighters do not. 1 is not many. egypt has been reconciled mostly because we pay the strongman in charge there billions of dollars a year. jordan, of course, is very much a mediating influence in the area, but they can not control syria or lebanon.
They might not have the intention, but they don't think twice or ever regret doing it. You know you're going to kill a lot of civilians when you fire a rocket into a crowded group of people to take out one terrorist who may or may not be there (they have been wrong in the past). You know you're killing civilians when you indiscriminately fire on children throwing stones. Is that moral? There is a reason 2000+ Palestininans have died, and beleive me, the vast majority were not terrorists. We take steps not to target civilians, the Israelis don't care.
they however do have intention to kill people without trials and presumption of innocence, ie the raid they have on Palestinian refugees camps and subsequently "unavoidable, unintentional" civilian casualty...
and what seemed lost here and need to point out again is Israel is hijacking US middle east policy and use it to their advantage instead of our govt taking our own ME direction.
when did i say that the non-jewish population wasn't treated as second class citizens? i believe i stated just that thing. you've shown a remarkable ability to misread things. nor have i ever stated anything about the bible. the palestinians do not have the moral upper hand because their fighters intentionally target civilians while the israeli fighters do not. 1 is not many. egypt has been reconciled mostly because we pay the strongman in charge there billions of dollars a year. jordan, of course, is very much a mediating influence in the area, but they can not control syria or lebanon.[/quote]
Methods of fighting do not buy people morality, the reason for said fighting does. Illegal occupation, illegal settlements, indiscriminate use of force, collective punishment. How can you defend that? How is that morally superior? I'm not arguing that terrorism is dispicable, but there would not be so many attacks if Israel withdrew from the occupied territories and halted settlement activity, the Israeli's have taken away hope from the Palestinians, and the most dangerous people are those who have nothing to loose and even less to live for.
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the pretense that you see as international law is more of a cartel enforced by two mechanisms: the first is the fear of a country becoming discredited such that other countries won't deal with it and the other is the military and industrial might of a few countries.
when did i say that the non-jewish population was treated as second class citizens? i believe i stated just that thing. you've shown a remarkable ability to misread things. nor have i ever stated anything about the bible. the palestinians do not have the moral upper hand because their fighters intentionally target civilians while the israeli fighters do not. 1 is not many. egypt has been reconciled mostly because we pay the strongman in charge there billions of dollars a year. jordan, of course, is very much a mediating influence in the area, but they can not control syria or lebanon.[/quote]
I never said you didn't say that the non-jewish population is treated like second class citizens. I was stating that those who happen to be non-Jewish ISRAELI citizens have the good fortune of being treated like second class citizens, the Palestininas arn't treated a hundreth as well. I also never said you said anything about the Bible, I was just telling you not to cite it as justification when you gave me a reason for Israel's moral superiority. No offence, but your reading comprehension sucks.
well we have to start from some where right? Where do you think all our daily laws come from? God to us?
The only thing is we can't put country in prison, but we can isolated them or force them with sanction, but it also still need many other countries participation, just like you can;t built prison and try to fill it by yourself...
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you're not arguing that terrorism is "dispicable"[sic]? so its ok?
illegal occupation won in illegal wars waged against israel. while i'll agree that 2 wrongs don't make a right, punishment of a defeated invader by taking some of its land is, in some sense, just. i'll also agree that the settlements are a bad idea, too much reminiscent of hitler saying that he merely wanted living space for his people. but securing your own borders isn't morally reprehensible. some of that security comes from holding strategic positions that are far easier to defend than the borders (for years syrian forces shelled what you would call legal settlements from the golan heights, for instance). perhaps israel wouldn't face as many attacks from people who have stated their goal as driving the jews into the sea. perhaps not. the arab population there has taken away their own hope by choosing leadership that would rather attack civilians than try to work a real peace (of which i'm not entirely certain could be reached due to extremists on both sides of the issue). which would at least gain them the moral upper hand.
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