Bowling: Point of a heavier ball?

[Evadman]

Increased speed = less accuracy.

For the most part, yes. I throw a 16 lb ball at upwards of 45 MPH (clocked when I bowled for ISU ). I hook about 13-14 boards. I can be off by a board or 2 because of the sheer speed I throw at. BTW: I have broken 2 pins in my life, ( I still have one somewhere around here ) and got numerous ones stuck in the ball return.

That being said, I also have a 12 lb ball to pickup the 7 pin. I hate that pin with a passion. DIE DIE!

 

[MaDHaVoK]

Kineic Energy= 1/2M*V^2........ but........ Momentum=M*V soo depending upon how fast you can throw a heavier ball vs a lighter one.. the optimal weight will vary.

 

[Colt45]

uh.. since when is there no 10-pin bowling in canada?

 

[SoylentGreen]

Originally posted by: Evadman

Increased speed = less accuracy.

I throw a 16 lb ball at upwards of 45 MPH (clocked when I bowled for ISU ).

*cough* *bullshit* *cough*

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: KingNothing

Originally posted by: SWirth86

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Electric Amish
More momentum.

Actually, I bowl with a 10-12 pound usually.

amish

But does a 12 pound ball really take down pins better than a 9 pound? The ball is so heavy against light pins anyway I doubt a ball slows down much at all between hitting first pin and the last...

Yea. Try using a 14, that's not too hard to use.

Keep practicing until you get a perfect 100!

A perfect score in bowling is 300, not 100.

i think thats the joke

 

[Evadman]

*cough* *bullshit* *cough*

Frankly, there is no way to prove it to you unless you have a gun and feel like visiting me next time I go bowling. If you don't believe me, fine. Not like it really matters. Throwing a bowling ball is not really aplicable to anything else anyway, so not like it is goign to come in handy any time soon.

Tom: Evadman! Hurry! You must take that round object over on the shelf there and knock over the 10 control computers for the space shuttle! If you don't the cracker controlling them will crash the shuttle into the moon!

Evadman: Hmmm... to do that I will have to hit them at upwards of 45 MPH with this 16 lb object from 60 feet away. Thank goodness I trained for this!

 

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: Roger
Better control once you become proficiant at it

By the way, Canadian bowling over here is called Duckpin bowling, it's what the children play when they want to go bowling.

Exactly, in my 4 years on a bowling league, I found it much easier to hook a 16lb ball than a 12lb ball.

 

[slycat]

i need like 9lb or 9.5lb...even friggin 10lb is too heavy for me...

 

[Corn]

For the most part, yes. I throw a 16 lb ball at upwards of 45 MPH (clocked when I bowled for ISU ). I hook about 13-14 boards.

I call BS too. The lanes where I league at have radar that measures ball speed on every lane. I throw the ball (16 lbs) pretty F'n hard and top out at 27MPH--and there is no way in hell you can throw a ball even that fast and have it hook more than a few boards. I might add that I have never seen anyone throw over 30MPH during league play[/b].

You might convince me you could hurl an 8lb ball 45 miles an hour, but not a 16lb ball and managing 13 boards in a hook. Hell, I'd bet you would have trouble throwing a baseball a mere 30 MPH faster than you claim to be able to toss a 16lb ball.

 

[amnesiac]

Originally posted by: Evadman

*cough* *bullshit* *cough*

Frankly, there is no way to prove it to you unless you have a gun and feel like visiting me next time I go bowling. If you don't believe me, fine. Not like it really matters. Throwing a bowling ball is not really aplicable to anything else anyway, so not like it is goign to come in handy any time soon.

Ignore him, Evadman. He's a professional thread crapper. Nearly every post this dude has made is insulting, degrading, or generally negative.
I'll loan you my trout if you want to smack him.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Corn

For the most part, yes. I throw a 16 lb ball at upwards of 45 MPH (clocked when I bowled for ISU ). I hook about 13-14 boards.

I call BS too. The lanes where I league at have radar that measures ball speed on every lane. I throw the ball (16 lbs) pretty F'n hard and top out at 27MPH--and there is no way in hell you can throw a ball even that fast and have it hook more than a few boards. I might add that I have never seen anyone throw over 30MPH during league play[/b].

You might convince me you could hurl an 8lb ball 45 miles an hour, but not a 16lb ball and managing 13 boards in a hook. Hell, I'd bet you would have trouble throwing a baseball a mere 30 MPH faster than you claim to be able to toss a 16lb ball.

Most grown men can't even though a baseball 50 mph....45 mph for a 16lbs ball hmmm

 

[etech]

Donald Hardy

"Robert Smith, a touring professional for only three years, has won two national titles and four regional titles.
He is one of the most powerful bowlers ever and was clocked once throwing his ball at 34 mph. His average rate of speed is 24 mph and he puts about 27 revolutions on the ball. You must consider that the normal professional bowler usually throws the ball about 18 mph.
We're talking about a 16-pound ball. "


I use a 15 pound ball. The one pound less gives a little more control and a little more hook. I throw fairly fast and need the extra hook. I can't throw a ball less than about 13 pounds. There just isn't enough weight to give me any control.

 

[SoylentGreen]

Originally posted by: amnesiac 2.0

Originally posted by: Evadman

*cough* *bullshit* *cough*

Frankly, there is no way to prove it to you unless you have a gun and feel like visiting me next time I go bowling. If you don't believe me, fine. Not like it really matters. Throwing a bowling ball is not really aplicable to anything else anyway, so not like it is goign to come in handy any time soon.

Ignore him, Evadman. He's a professional thread crapper. Nearly every post this dude has made is insulting, degrading, or generally negative.
I'll loan you my trout if you want to smack him.

You're a moron to peg that moniker on me since it is BS. I think you're forgetting things so your handle matches your persona.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to throw a bowling ball 45 MPH. The hardest throwing straight spare throwers in the PBA top out in the mid 20's and that's giving it a hurl. Their strike balls average in the 14-16 MPH range.

 

[nitsuj3580]

Heavier ball can make a HUGE difference. My g/f started off with a 9-10 lb ball and she threw it, it'd hit the pins and riccochet off towards the side where as a heavier ball will still drive through the pins on impact. She couldn't believe the difference but physics doesn't lie!

Went Cosmic Bowling Saturday night. Bowled 10 games (pay $12 and bowl as much as you want from 9:30 pm - 2 am) and I averaged a respectable 204/game

 

[arcain]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Argument for lighter ball....

See here...

Pins are 3lbs 2oz to 3lbs 10oz. If you hit them with more momentum you'll transfer more momentum and get better pin action.

amish

Hmm. Since momentum is nothing more than mass times velocity, although at the same speed a 16 pound will have more momentum than a 10, at the same time I can swing a 10 pound much faster than a 16 thereby increasing the momentum in that way as well.

Assuming it was just sliding along.. but in this case you have rotational energy too. It's been too many years since physics (and I don't have my physics book with me) but it is probably relative to mr^2.

 

[freebee]

Is there any rule in bowling that states the ball must contact the floor the entire time before hitting the pins?...if not...one might be able to then use a lighter ball and bounce directly in front of the pins with spin.....take the pins out from the midsection rather than "bowling" them over.....

Or if one has enough arm strength....there actually is enough clearance to throw the ball directly into the pins from the side...its a far more devastating shot...if it were allowed of course....

 

[jaydee]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Anyway what's the point of a 16 vs. a 9 pound ball? It seems to me that the balls are by far heavy enough to go through the pins without losing much momentum anyway and that a heavier ball does nothing but make you accelerate more mass as you swing it, so what's the benefit?
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Law of conservation of momentum.

 

[Jugernot]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
But I threw hard !!

Exactly, with a heavier ball you don't have to throw as hard and you have more control. I personally play with a 250lb ball, but that is just me.

 

[jaydee]

Originally posted by: freebee
Is there any rule in bowling that states the ball must contact the floor the entire time before hitting the pins?...if not...one might be able to then use a lighter ball and bounce directly in front of the pins with spin.....take the pins out from the midsection rather than "bowling" them over.....

Or if one has enough arm strength....there actually is enough clearance to throw the ball directly into the pins from the side...its a far more devastating shot...if it were allowed of course....

The center of gravity of a bowling pin is pretty low, I doubt it would have much impact. Although it worked for superman...

Edit: after further research, I found the center of gravity to be about .1337m (must have been an AT'er that made the pin)
link, and the radius of a bowling ball is 0.945m so if you want the optimal pin action, you'd need the ball to hit a little less than 4cm above the lane.

For the most part, yes. I throw a 16 lb ball at upwards of 45 MPH (clocked when I bowled for ISU ).

You might want to check that radar gun. 45 mi/h=22m/s lane length = 18.3 meters... it took 0.83 seconds for the ball to go the length of the alley?

 

[Cyberian]

Originally posted by: freebee
Is there any rule in bowling that states the ball must contact the floor the entire time before hitting the pins?...if not...one might be able to then use a lighter ball and bounce directly in front of the pins with spin.....take the pins out from the midsection rather than "bowling" them over.....

Or if one has enough arm strength....there actually is enough clearance to throw the ball directly into the pins from the side...its a far more devastating shot...if it were allowed of course....

LOL!

I can see the Bowling Alley owner grimacing and gnashing his teeth from way over here!

 

[daclayman]

The old general rule the proshop people use is bodyweight divided by 10 and round down - 155lbs = 15lb bowling ball should be about right. This doesn't apply to everyone so YMMV. Also, a bowling ball that does not get into a roll before contacting the pins will not be converting all of its energy toward the pins. 8, 12, 16lbs, it doesn't matter, though, as stated in the link by Electric Amish, a ball 14lbs or heavier will produce the best results. Optimum pin carry results from a ball rolling and entering the pocket from a 2 to an 8 degree angle. A straight bowler can obtain about a 2 degree angle by starting the ball from the left or right gutter without hooking it. It is possible to throw the ball as hard as physically possible and get strikes without getting the ball into a roll, but by doing so, you increase your chances of leaving the 5 pin (cough) or the split variations containing the 4,6,7 and/or 10 pins on head pin hits.

I throw my strike ball at 15 - 16mph with about 15 revolutions. My league shot is oiled (boards) 10 x 10 to 30ish feet and I always use a Columbia300 gold Quake (stacked leverage weight, cuz any other drills on this ball don't carry). I start the ball at 16, swing the whore to about 8 and back to 17, so 17 boards.....and I carry everything Getting a cheap (Brunswick, Columbia, Storm, Track, ebonite<----eww)Urethane bowling ball drilled and fitted PROPERLY (NO K-Mart, WallyMart, etc...) will produce consistancy more quickly and allow you to troubleshoot your mistakes. Also, generous portions of cold beer are always necessary during any bowling session as it eases the pain of those sub-100 games.

 

[Jfur]

Skoorb, bigger, heavier balls are simply more impressive

 

[GoingUp]

The point is that you can knock down more pins so Mrs. Skoorb doesn't beat you

 

[kt]

I use heavier balls because it's a lot easier to control the spin on the ball. With lighter ball, the inertia is not large enough to compensate for the spin. So, the ball always end up overspinning and go towards the other side of the gutter. You can throw it slower, but then I get no momentum on the ball.

 

[bizmark]

For the most part, yes. I throw a 16 lb ball at upwards of 45 MPH (clocked when I bowled for ISU ). I hook about 13-14 boards. I can be off by a board or 2 because of the sheer speed I throw at. BTW: I have broken 2 pins in my life, ( I still have one somewhere around here ) and got numerous ones stuck in the ball return.

*cough* *bullshit* *cough*

I call BS too. The lanes where I league at have radar that measures ball speed on every lane. I throw the ball (16 lbs) pretty F'n hard and top out at 27MPH--and there is no way in hell you can throw a ball even that fast and have it hook more than a few boards. I might add that I have never seen anyone throw over 30MPH during league play.

You might convince me you could hurl an 8lb ball 45 miles an hour, but not a 16lb ball and managing 13 boards in a hook. Hell, I'd bet you would have trouble throwing a baseball a mere 30 MPH faster than you claim to be able to toss a 16lb ball.

Most grown men can't even though a baseball 50 mph....45 mph for a 16lbs ball hmmm

"Robert Smith, a touring professional for only three years, has won two national titles and four regional titles.
He is one of the most powerful bowlers ever and was clocked once throwing his ball at 34 mph. His average rate of speed is 24 mph and he puts about 27 revolutions on the ball. You must consider that the normal professional bowler usually throws the ball about 18 mph.
We're talking about a 16-pound ball. "

It is IMPOSSIBLE to throw a bowling ball 45 MPH. The hardest throwing straight spare throwers in the PBA top out in the mid 20's and that's giving it a hurl. Their strike balls average in the 14-16 MPH range.

You might want to check that radar gun. 45 mi/h=22m/s lane length = 18.3 meters... it took 0.83 seconds for the ball to go the length of the alley?

Evadman do you care to answer your detractors beyond what you've already said? I have a lot of respect for you and your knowledge on various subjects, but the evidence seems pretty strong against you in this case....