bought a qx6700 need help overclocking

[johndoe11]

hello basically i got a used qx6700 and brand new unopened 8800 ultra for 1150 total without taxes, good deal no? i would have waited for penyrn and geforce 9 if this deal didnt exist. anyway i would like to know what are the safe temperatures for qx6700 (extreme 2.66ghz). Like i have no idea, what should the idle temperature be, and what should the load temperature be at full usage? whats unsafe temperatures for the qx6700. thank you.

 

[myocardia]

You paid $500 extra for that unlocked multiplier, start raising it. Note, though, that you won't get very far at all, until your temps get out of hand, unless you are using a good heatsink. All of your core temps should be below 70C, when under 100% load.

 

[johndoe11]

no no i meant the qx6700 and 8800 ultra COMBINED price was 1150 thats a good deal isnt it? considering it was a 8800 ultra evga superclocked, higher than a standard ultra. and intel site says 65 c max for this cpu u say 70, i have a zalman 9500 i think, not the big 9700 one thats for sure. im sure i could do just 3.0ghz for now till i get a better cooler, but im afraid of going past 65c. any thoughts?

 

[johndoe11]

i was monitering my cpu temp while playing the new unreal 3 demo and it was pretty bad, i was using default clock of 2.66ghz and it was topping 62c with DEFAULT SPEED AND VOLTAGE. thats horrible, i need a new cooler asap i think.

 

[myocardia]

Actually, what I said and what Intel say are two totally different things, about two totally different temps. I said 70C core temp. Intel says 65C tJunction temp, which is the temp between the cores, and is a much higher temp than 70C core temp. You should actually be fine up to at least 3.0 Ghz, though, with a Zalman 9500. For instance, your 62C core temp you report is less than 55C tJunction, and probably closer to 50C.

 

[johndoe11]

u mean that number where it says termal specifications in this website link? thats the tjunction? u sure about this lol, i dont want to fry this thing.

http://processorfinder.intel.c...tails.aspx?sSpec=SL9UL

and if that case the cpu core should never go above 70c then okay thank you, because its at 62c all 4 cores now playing unreal 3 (core temp according to speedfan software), not even full 100% load on each single core.

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: johndoe11
any thoughts?

Yeah I have some thoughts.

Actually one thought. What the fuck were you thinking?

I mean honestly, an extra $500 for an unlocked multiplier that won't improve your overclock unless your motherboard can't do higher than 300 FSB. In which case you should of bought a better motherboard instead of pissing away money.

Even if you did get it all for 1.1k you pissed away so much money its not funny.

Considering your just now thinking about the temps after you made this insane purchase, that zalman cooler is utter crap at cooling quad cores. You'll be lucky if you can get acceptable temps at about 3.2Ghz.

On top of all this, the maximum your likely to get on air is about 3.6Ghz which a q6600 would of been a better choice for considering you don't need an unlocked multiplier to get it. (9X400)

Don't even get me started on the 8800 Ultra.

The QX6* series is meant for those who want the best of the best and don't plan on overclocking nothing more.

Consider this, you could have purchased a q6600, 8800gtx (with a factory oc), a tru-12e, a nice fan for it, some artic cooling mx-2, and a nice heatsink lapping kit to lap both the cpu and hs. All for less than the amount you just paid and get better temps, higher OC, and equally as good performance.

Now if you will excuse me, I'm going to get some sleep (3am) now that I'm a pissy mood because of this thread and your nerve yo ask how to get the most out of your money which you should of thought about before you bought everything.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: johndoe11
u mean that number where it says termal specifications in this website link? thats the tjunction? u sure about this lol, i dont want to fry this thing.

http://processorfinder.intel.c...tails.aspx?sSpec=SL9UL

and if that case the cpu core should never go above 70c then okay thank you, because its at 62c all 4 cores now playing unreal 3 (core temp according to speedfan software), not even full 100% load on each single core.

Yes, I'm positive. Intel lists the temp that you'll see in your BIOS, for the people who buy Dells or HP's. BTW, you need to turn up your Zalman's fan speed, if you're getting 62C core temps, while gaming. Oh, and your tJunction temp with SpeedFan is Temp 1.

 

[johndoe11]

this is to QuiksilverX1.


qx6700 is 1200 here in canada before taxes retail, and the 8800 ultra superclocked is 850 before taxes in canada retail. www.tigerdirect.ca. LOL and you say i wasted my money? wow just wow. i was charged no taxes at all, but if i went with your suggestion, i would only be able to afford a 8800gts, q6600, 680i, average overclocking crucial ram, and maybe a psu and thats it. Trust me i did my homework did lots of math before "wasting my money according to you", i had a budget it had to fit it all under 1498 till my next pay cheque. not to mention i was able to fit in 680i for 150 with no tax (again 250+ before taxes in canada retail), buffalo firestix 2 gig ddr2 800 for 150 with no tax (goes for 250 after taxes retail price), and other computer accesorices. i bought all my stuff of some dude who works for a company and he had only a qx6700 and 8800 ultra for me to choose from. I also need to buy a 24 inch lcd monitor on next pay cheque. SO i just owned you, sorry no fence, just a friendly ownage.

 

[wittangamo]

Originally posted by: johndoe11

qx6700 is 1200 here in canada before taxes retail

And the Q6600 is less than $300 Canadian at the same site you linked. Would have gotten you to the same overclocked speed for a lot less money.

If you think it's a good deal, that's what matters.

 

[johndoe11]

only thing i missed on was the cpu cooler, so what do u use wittangamo your quad? what are good coolers for core 2 quads. thanks

 

[wittangamo]

I use a Rosewill RCX-Z775-EX. It's fairly quiet, medium-sized as heat-pipe towers go, build quality and appearance are excellent and it does a good job for less money than some of the more extreme choices.

The Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme is best in class, but it's huge, heavy and costs $65.

A much cheaper but decent solution for modest overclocking is the Artic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro at $20. I'm not sure how it would stand up to a QX6700, but a lot of people swear by it.

My Rosewill was on sale for $30. It's up to $50 now. It's a good match for a Quad, but I'd shop for a better deal.

Whatever you pick, make sure it will fit on your board before you order. Some bump into capacitors, others require removing the board from the case or even removing a heat sink or backing plate.

 

[hokiealumnus]

Ack! Looks like there is some confusion about temperature identifiers. I'm paranoid about temps and have researched extensively; please, feel free to check for yourself. Your most powerful ally is all the reading material out there on overclocking.

First, you can start reading this thread at Tom's Hardware for all you could ever want to know about C2D & C2Q temperatures.

Secondly, Intel uses a measurement you cannot get without the proper equipment. They measure the temperature directly in the middle of the IHS (integrated heat spreader). This can only be done with an external sensor.

Your chip, being a C2Q, has five temperature sensors built into it. One on each core (which are the Tjunction sensors) plus one Tcase sensor, which is in the middle of the cores.

The QX6700s come with two steppings, either G0 or B3. Both of them have a 100c TjunctionMax. The highest you should ever take your chip is 25c below your TjunctionMax, which for you translates to 75c. Below 70c is preferrable for 24/7 use. Below 65c is golden.

Coretemp will display your Tjunction temperatures. Note that Coretemp's "Tjunction" label is actually the TjunctionMax for your CPU.

The new Speedfan beta will display the Tjunction temperatures and your Tcase temperature as well as System, PWM, GPU & HDD temps. Which temperature reading is your CPU temperature will depend on the way it reads your motherboard's sensors, it's not necessarily Temp1.

Speedfan is a great program but needs some experimenting to decipher sometimes. Check the web page and see if there is a configuration already loaded for your particular MB, which would eliminate the need for the experimentation. It's worth it to me either way to see the rest of the temperature in addition to the Tjunctions.

If you're in the market for a CPU cooler, I just got a Thermaltake Big Typhoon and it's phenomenal. With stock cooling, I overclocked my CPU to 3.0GHz and ran ~73c under Orthos load. With this big honking thing installed, I don't break 62c. The stock cooler hit that with the default clock (2.0GHz).

Hope this helps.

 

[johndoe11]

thanks for the replys, and about removing the current heatsink i have installed. iv never actually had to remove a heatsink that was stuck on a cpu before. do i just like move the heatsink left to right till the paste unsticks? i dont want to damage the cpu by removing the stuck heatsink the wrong way. and what if some of the old paste is still like dried up on the cpu, do i have to clean it off?

 

[hokiealumnus]

Depends on what you mean by "stuck". As new as those are, you should be able to unseat the pins and twist it a few degrees left & right until it comes off.

IF the thing is seriously stuck, I'm not sure what the proper method to removing it is. I had an old socket 478 that died and I naturally wanted to look at it. Trying to unseat the HSF ended up pulling the processor out with it, bending the pins. The way the socket 775 CPUs are secured seems like it would eliminate that problem, but if it doesn't come off easily, I'd look into the issue further before yanking.

You'll definitely need to clean the old TIM (thermal interface material) off. Use a lint-free cloth (coffee filters work well) and 90% pure isopropyl alcohol. Keep a dust buster or something similar (with no metal!) close by. If some TIM has hardened and 'chips' off, vacuum it out of the socket.

If you don't buy a HSF w/ TIM pre-installed or included, I can recommend ArcticSilver Ceramique. It's a little sticky but has no conductivity and works well.

 

[Quiksilver]

Originally posted by: johndoe11
this is to QuiksilverX1.


qx6700 is 1200 here in canada before taxes retail, and the 8800 ultra superclocked is 850 before taxes in canada retail. www.tigerdirect.ca. LOL and you say i wasted my money? wow just wow. i was charged no taxes at all, but if i went with your suggestion, i would only be able to afford a 8800gts, q6600, 680i, average overclocking crucial ram, and maybe a psu and thats it. Trust me i did my homework did lots of math before "wasting my money according to you", i had a budget it had to fit it all under 1498 till my next pay cheque. not to mention i was able to fit in 680i for 150 with no tax (again 250+ before taxes in canada retail), buffalo firestix 2 gig ddr2 800 for 150 with no tax (goes for 250 after taxes retail price), and other computer accesorices. i bought all my stuff of some dude who works for a company and he had only a qx6700 and 8800 ultra for me to choose from. I also need to buy a 24 inch lcd monitor on next pay cheque. SO i just owned you, sorry no fence, just a friendly ownage.

I'm not going to fight you about this so here is my last few remarks.

I'm glad you enjoyed your purchase, please enjoy your 8800 Ultra as you paid and extra $200 for an overclocked 8800GTX with a better cooling solution to allow for an extra 25Mhz on the core clock and 125 Mhz on the memory clock over the fastest factory OC'd 8800GTX (XFX XXX Edition) which will at most give you only a 10% improvement over a GTX.

Also enjoy your qx6700 B3 stepping; yes that's right the qx6700 only comes in B3 steeping contrary to the post that was below this quoted post. That little "x" throws us all off once and awhile; the q6700 and q6600 are G0 steppings while the QX6* series are all B3's which require a lot of voltage to overclock and also get piss poor temperatures.

Also if you did so much research on all of this before you bought your purchase why are here now asking about temperatures, heatsink suggestions, and how to overclock well.

For ~$1500 you could have got a lot more bang for your buck if you would of bothered to shop intelligently. Instead of buying what you thought was a good deal.

Considering a GTX is about $655 with shipping, q6600 g0 stepping is ~$285, a nice Abit IP-35 ~$100(add about ~65 for a 680i if you wish), 2GB's crucial ballistix DDR2-800 for about ~100, tru-12e for about ~$90 after fan.

and you would still have about $150-200 left over to spend on games or another hardware component.

 

[AmberClad]

Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1
Also if you did so much research on all of this before you bought your purchase

From reading this guy's previous threads, he had originally planned on getting the Q6600, a GTX, and 2 gigs of Corsair from TigerDirect CA. All of which would have been quite reasonable.

Not sure how this current little QX setup came about. Apparently, he got it on a whim from "some dude who works for a company" .

From his previous thread:

Originally posted by: johndoe11
this sucks so bad, unreal 3, cryis, call of duty 4 all out in early nov. This sucks major donkey b*lls. This really really really sucks, release the god damn penyrn mainstream cpus and next refresh of cards before november, that would be the best thing to do marketing wise, g*y nvidia and g*y intel, i hate those ba*tards. I really dont know if i can control myself, i might just accidently go into a store and come out with a quad q6600, 680i (once again no pci express 2.0 support for next gen cards), 2 gigs of ram, and video card (i still dont know which). I know i will enjoy it but only for 1-3 months, then pure regrets forever. Because i am quiting this job soon and wont have money, going back to university. Nothing i can do now expect be all mad & bitch & complain. Im so mad i feel like killing everybody at work tommorow with an ak-47 (not literaly).

This all sounds a bit bizarre to be honest.

 

[Quiksilver]

...that kind of proves to me what I thought in my mind; that this guy is insane. Apparently, no definitely is.

 

[johndoe11]

ya i agree with you i am insane. i lost my sanity 2 months ago, the technical support job im doing everday is driving me insane. dumb customers destroying my brain cells.

 

[Quiksilver]

*Stares at you blankly*
No Comment.

 

[johndoe11]

and i didnt mean to offend you in anyway QuiksilverX1, you are correct about my sanity though. gotta go to work now see ya later QuiksilverX1, underpaying us too an hour.

 

[Quiksilver]

It doesn't take much work to pick up a phone and talk to someone and you bitch about low pay.
I do much more physical work (Drywall & Painting) and get paid less than you but I don't mind my job because its better than not having one.
'tis my off week between the next work site.

 

[johndoe11]

ya i should be grateful i even have a job too, im taking today off.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: myocardia
Actually, what I said and what Intel say are two totally different things, about two totally different temps. I said 70C core temp. Intel says 65C tJunction temp, which is the temp between the cores, and is a much higher temp than 70C core temp. You should actually be fine up to at least 3.0 Ghz, though, with a Zalman 9500. For instance, your 62C core temp you report is less than 55C tJunction, and probably closer to 50C.

That is totally wrong...

Tjunction = Diode inside the core

Tcase = Geometric Center of IHS

Intel's thermal specification is Tcase, not Tjunction.

Tcase is 10-15c cooler than Tjunction.

Thus, a Tcase of 65c for Intel's Specification is around 75-80c Tjunction.

Core Temp reports Tjunction

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: QuiksilverX1
It doesn't take much work to pick up a phone and talk to someone and you bitch about low pay.
I do much more physical work (Drywall & Painting) and get paid less than you but I don't mind my job because its better than not having one.
'tis my off week between the next work site.

That is an age old argument. Having done manual labor and a desktop, I can tell you that they both are difficult in their own way. But to just think about it logically, I have noticed this.

1) People can do the same manual labor jobs for 20+ years.

2) Rarely do you hear that with tech support... A lot more turnover and burnouts.

Both types of work are hard... But, if you think tech support is easy, you need to do it. Just like if someone thinks landscaping is easy, they need to do it.