Both Clinton's Health

[fskimospy]

Rudy Giuliani comments on Hillary Clinton's health.

Well that's a credible source.

An observer at a parade that Clinton "walked" in.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/rudy-giuliani-think-hillary-looks-tired-looks-sick-video/

Hey guess what, I was literally at that parade and saw her walking from just after the Stonewall. She looked perfectly normal to me.

Oh and by the way that 'observer' is one of those gamergate nuts.

and a so-called "journalist" at the NY Times has called for Google to fix search results for Clinton's health. If her health is fine, why resort to the equivalent of electronic book burning?

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presi...st-calls-google-suppress-hillary-health-info/

A journalist saying that Google shouldn't be promoting baseless conspiracy theories made by desperate partisans? Do you consider Google not promoting websites in search results that claim vaccines cause autism to be 'book burning'?

 

[abj13]

Actually, he's right, look up current treatment for what's in her records, it's really old school. Granted the industry likes new stuff, but for instance, the patents have run out on many more current treatment modalities, so there's no big pharmacy profit motive, it's a little odd.

And if you listen, he worked with a pretty sharp internal medicine doc, and honestly, nowadays most decisions are made by much less qualified PA's and NP's, we're not talking about her health, rather her health care, it's a little puzzling that's it's medication and treatment that would have been given to say Nixon, not someone in the 2010's.

Ah yes. More medical misinformation by someone who doesn't understand medical history or medical guidelines. Rivaroxaban, apixaban, and dabigatran were all FDA approved after 2011. What was the primary options up until then? Warfarin, Heparin, low-molecular weight heparin etc. Trying to portray one of the most commonly prescribed medications (warfarin) as "ancient" demonstrates how little you actually know of the subject and especially of the guidelines.

To further support this point, what are the VTE guidelines? The preeminent source is put together by the American College of Chest Physicians and is periodically updated. What were their recommendations for someone with recurrent clots with extended therapy like Mrs Clinton in 2009 (her second was 2009)? What about in 2012 when she had her venous sinus thrombosis? The ninth edition of guidelines was written in 2012. Guess what? Rivaroxaban, apixaban, and dabigatran were not even recommended in those guidelines because there was insufficient data at that point (and only rivaroxaban had FDA approval by the time those guidelines were published). So even when Mrs Clinton had her venous sinus thrombosis, her physicians would have been following the guidelines for management of her clot history with usage of warfarin.

But... what has changed since?
When was the next set of updated guidelines published by the American College of Chest Physicians? February 2016
When was the letter detailing Mrs Clinton medications released detailing she was on warfarin? July 2015

It is only in the newly updated 2016 guidelines do you see recommendation that rivaroxaban, apixaban, and dabigatran be used in VTE prophylaxis. Do we have an updated medication list for Mrs Clinton after those guidelines? Her physicians would have been following the guidelines in their recommendation to maintain her on warfarin when it was written in 2015.

In addition, what evidence do we have that rivaroxaban, apixaban, and dabigatran result in equivalent outcomes as warfarin in a patient like Mrs Clinton who has recurrent (now 3) episodes of thrombosis? What trials have detailed those medications are superior for Mrs Clinton?

For someone who claims to have such great knowledge of anticoagulants, you sure are ignorant of the CHEST recommendations and the history of approval of those drugs for VTE prophylaxis.

 

[Kazukian]

I really don't care that much about her health, that's why we have VP's.

I do feel it's reasonable to have POTUS AND VPOTUS candidates release their last physicals with lab work, it's more than a little disturbing to me that this thread even needs to exist. And frankly, she doesn't look good in some of those photos.

I'm still voting for her, BTW, curious how much of a mandate it'll be, looks good so far.

 

[theeedude]

Hear that, anti-Trump folks who don't like Hillary? Hillary is apparently very sick, so voting for her is actually a vote for Tim Kaine, so you can go ahead and do it.

 

[TheGardener]

Actually I don't believe that any candidate should have to release any medical information. What I object to is having medical professionals join the ranks of liars.

The problem with the VP being next in line, is that almost no one casts their vote for a VP. We really assume that a candidate who is elected president, will in fact complete the term of office.

 

[Kazukian]

Hear that, anti-Trump folks who don't like Hillary? Hillary is apparently very sick, so voting for her is actually a vote for Tim Kaine, so you can go ahead and do it.

What exactly is wrong with that? Still get liberal Supreme Court candidates, IMHO, that's huge.

Our country has a history of unwell POTUS's, she has Bill (one of the most successful POTUS's) to help her

Again, what's wrong with looking down the road? Or discussing the possibility?

 

[fskimospy]

Actually I don't believe that any candidate should have to release any medical information. What I object to is having medical professionals join the ranks of liars.

The problem with the VP being next in line, is that almost no one casts their vote for a VP. We really assume that a candidate who is elected president, will in fact complete the term of office.

Doesn't it seem that the conservative activists who are trying to push this line are the liars though? I mean the entirety of their 'diagnosis' comes from people trying to parse internet photos. The photo you posted earlier from the Gamergate guy is a great example. You can find a photo of someone looking stupid or sickly or whatever incredibly easily if you're mining photos for it, and what he says directly contradicts what I saw with my own two eyes in real time. Sounds like a liar to me.

 

[Kazukian]

I don't agree with the private health history argument, there's a ton of crap jobs you have to pass a physical to be selected, I think the candidates should be required to have a yearly exam and release the results.

I'd also like the public to be more accepting of conditions, etc, with the age group elected to POTUS, they're going to have conditions and diagnoses.

 

[TheGardener]

Last time I checked, the Constitution didn't mention anything about passing a physical, as a requirement for the presidentcy. Also a run of the mill job candidate may have to pass an physical, be examined by a doctor or take a drug test for some jobs, but that employer still doesn't put those results out on CNN.

 

[TheGardener]

Doesn't it seem that the conservative activists who are trying to push this line are the liars though? I mean the entirety of their 'diagnosis' comes from people trying to parse internet photos. The photo you posted earlier from the Gamergate guy is a great example. You can find a photo of someone looking stupid or sickly or whatever incredibly easily if you're mining photos for it, and what he says directly contradicts what I saw with my own two eyes in real time. Sounds like a liar to me.

People are reporting their observations. They have been captured on camera and video. Stop denying the obvious. Clinton is having trouble walking and sitting. She is taking a anticoagulant. The fact that Clinton lies about her health and just about everything else, makes people talk about it. As I stated in this thread, I don't think any of these health issues disqualify her to seek the office. There are dozens of other reasons that I feel do, but that is not the topic here.

 

[fskimospy]

People are reporting their observations. They have been captured on camera and video. Stop denying the obvious. Clinton is having trouble walking and sitting. She is taking a anticoagulant.

I have personally observed her at fairly close range during the exact event where that Gamergate activist claimed she looked ill. I saw literally no evidence of this. (it also seems very unlikely he took that picture, considering the angle) Why am I 'denying the obvious' and he is not lying? Actual medical professionals who have examined her say she is fine, but you think the observations of random people on the internet are somehow more credible. Does this seem rational to you?

The fact that Clinton lies about her health and just about everything else, makes people talk about it. As I stated in this thread, I don't think any of these health issues disqualify her to seek the office. There are dozens of other reasons that I feel do, but that is not the topic here.

You have no evidence that she is lying about her health, if anything conservative activists have repeatedly promoted fraudulent medical documents as being authentic. When it comes to her health if honesty is your concern you should probably be primarily concerned with the lies coming out of the conservative activist community. Otherwise this just looks like concern trolling.

 

[Kazukian]

I guess the Republicans want complete control of the Democrat's fitness to serve?

http://www.onbreaking.com/entertain...erts-withdrawal-from-congressional-race/1894/

 

[brycejones]

As I stated in this thread, I don't think any of these health issues disqualify her to seek the office. There are dozens of other reasons that I feel do, but that is not the topic here.

Then why did you post it? Just trolling?

 

[Strk]

People are reporting their observations. They have been captured on camera and video. Stop denying the obvious. Clinton is having trouble walking and sitting. She is taking a anticoagulant. The fact that Clinton lies about her health and just about everything else, makes people talk about it. As I stated in this thread, I don't think any of these health issues disqualify her to seek the office. There are dozens of other reasons that I feel do, but that is not the topic here.

You know one of the symptoms of hypothyroidism is fatigue? It's amazing how the medical issues she has stated as having explain the issues that people are trying to blow out of proportion. If she has difficultly walking, get a chair. It seemed to work for a few years for FDR.

 

[MongGrel]

The problem with the VP being next in line, is that almost no one casts their vote for a VP. We really assume that a candidate who is elected president, will in fact complete the term of office.

I worry about it a bit myself, because I could see Trump being impeached or saying "screw it" less than 6 months into office, and we'd be stuck with Pence. He wants Pence to run things for him anyway, which really makes me worry about VP's.

Trump just wants to be POTUS in name only.

 

[Meghan54]

Since angry Meghan took her toys and went home, I'll share why Hillary is wearing pantsuits aside from the painfully obvious catheter and leg bag, (BTW, I'll be the first to admit I have no idea why she needs a foley and a leg bag, there are about a dozen common reasons, I have no idea why she needs the rig, it could be temporary) the first line defense for DVT prophylaxis is those ugly ass support hose, matter of fact they're so important, you're not supposed to prescribe a blood thinner unless you patient is compliant with support hose, the big ones that go all the way to your crotch, they're not exactly stylish, and you'll never see Hillary even showing ankles, unless she wears long socks over the support hose, and they're not exactly stylish either, they're a bitch to put on and keep on, she probably has help, I don't know any older folks that can put them on without help.

Also, as a PSA, if you're taking a long road trip or a long flight, you should wear some, I've seen 20 year olds with DVT's after a long flight or road trip.

I'm sorry, I apologize for apparently "taking my toys and going home"...I have ulcerative colitis and the last couple of days have been, frankly, "bad" days for me, and on "bad" days, I get a bit tired, washed out feeling. So I tend to crash on the couch and read/TV/sleep for the day. Really bad ones and I hit the sack.

Now, about a few things..... First, I'm a guy, not a girl. I do find it amusing that, in 2016, you assume I'm female just because I am an RN.

But that brings up another point or two. I am old school, seeing as I entered nursing via the army in the early 1970's...I reenlisted to attend what was then 91C school, LPN. Damn brutal school.

So, I see this thread has de-evolved into way wacky conspiracy theory territory....in-dwelling catheters and leg bags? Really?

And then Drooliani saying "Just google Clinton health, look at the youtube videos"...sheesh.

BTW...why is Dwayne Wade having such a hard time getting his DVT under control with his Xarelto? And why are the new anti-coagulants specifically not recommended for use in artificial heart valves?

 

[Kazukian]

I don't even know where to go with a male RN with a feminine username, you sir, or madam may have this thread, good day to you sir or ma'am, and best wishes.

 

[Meghan54]

I don't even know where to go with a male RN with a feminine username, you sir, or madam may have this thread, good day to you sir or ma'am, and best wishes.

It's the name of one of my dogs....idiot.

 

[VRAMdemon]

lol...If this woman is in such bad health...how the hell did she murder Vince Foster with a karate chop to the throat and made it look like a suicide..

 

[thraashman]

lol...If this woman is in such bad health...how the hell did she murder Vince Foster with a karate chop to the throat and made it look like a suicide..

I needed this post after the stupidity of this thread. Thanks for making me smile

 

[brycejones]

lol...If this woman is in such bad health...how the hell did she murder Vince Foster with a karate chop to the throat and made it look like a suicide..

Because back in the day she was getting injections made from aborted fetus's whose abortions were paid for by the federal government and sold to a secret drug company. But since that funding has been cut off those injections are no longer available. Hillary would live forever if it wasn't for those pesky GOP kids in congress.

 

[0roo0roo]

The Clinton News Network lives up to its name and cans Dr. Drew for wrong think.

CNN CANCELED DR. DREW'S SHOW DAYS AFTER HE QUESTIONED HILLARY'S HEALTH
https://www.conservativeoutfitters....show-days-after-he-questioned-hillarys-health

Dr. Drew speaks out on Hillary’s Health.

http://archive.is/dO3sk
HLN cancels 'Dr. Drew'
http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/25/media/dr-drew-hln-canceled/



Lost interview
Dr. Drew speaks out on Hillary’s Health (Full Interview)

Hillary Health Cover-Up IMPLODES

American journalism is collapsing before our eyes
http://nypost.com/2016/08/21/american-journalism-is-collapsing-before-our-eyes/

Can't even get into an suv without assistance

Hillary Clinton Email Archive brain blood clot
http://archive.is/ONXcJ
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/17211

Provigil (Modafinil)
https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/25404
http://www.infowars.com/wikileaks-e...s-drug-after-suffering-from-decision-fatigue/

 

[brycejones]

People are saying, many people are talking about it.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Still waiting for a better grade of propaganda.

 

[brycejones]

Can't even get into an suv without assistance

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You fuckers are really reaching with this one. I run a shuttle service during a major basketball tournament and we use step stools for 15 passenger vans just because it makes it much easier for folks to get in and and out. Yes she is older but this pic really means nothing. But keep on keeping on.