Originally posted by: beyoku
-Your "Cousin" was not addmitted to the college cause there were tons of Asians that "took" "HIS" spot.
I graduated high school valedictorian with a 4.0. I have ONE scholarship. And it covers a little less than half my tuition. But it doesn't get anywhere near covering living expenses or text books or other school materials.
Luckily, I'm white AND male, so I'm easily able to exploit minorities to cover the rest of my expenses. Afterall, the techniques have been passed down through my family for generations.
Affirmative action is discriminatory any way you look at it. Just think about the messages it sends.
-White people don't need help
-Minorities aren't intelligent enough to get into school/job/etc without assistance directed specifically at them.
You know, I just got to thinking. The Irish immigrants were highly discriminated against in the 1800s. Perhaps everyone of Irish descent (me) should be getting reparations and perhaps be included in Affirmative action?
I have several friends of "minority" descent and they all exploit the system to get financial aid. Thousands of dollars in exchange for ONE measly essay. But it's ok. Despite the fact that every one of them is from a middle class family, I have to accept the fact that I've been holding them back and oppressing them for years.
Originally posted by: ahurtt
The very existence of affirmative action itself is hypocrisy defined. Here you have a policy you try to FORCE equality. Equality is not something that can be forced. Either things are equal or they are not. To try and enforce a policy which has the aim of forcing equality merely says that since group A is not actually equal to group B, we are going to tilt the table in group A's direction since they are not equal and need help. It's insulting if you think about it. It's like playing with a handicap. It's like winning your favorite video game on easy mode because the normal mode was too hard for you. So I applaud what these guys did. Maybe one day people will learn life just isn't fair and all people are NOT in fact equal in every respect. You can change the constitution and make all the laws you want but that doesn't change people's hearts and minds and it doesn't change the simple truth. Some people are just naturally better and worse at some things than other people and no amount of legislation will ever change that. Affirmative action is an idea who's ship has sailed. It's long past time we burried it deep, deep, deep in the earth and forget it ever existed.
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: ahurtt
The very existence of affirmative action itself is hypocrisy defined. Here you have a policy you try to FORCE equality. Equality is not something that can be forced. Either things are equal or they are not. To try and enforce a policy which has the aim of forcing equality merely says that since group A is not actually equal to group B, we are going to tilt the table in group A's direction since they are not equal and need help. It's insulting if you think about it. It's like playing with a handicap. It's like winning your favorite video game on easy mode because the normal mode was too hard for you. So I applaud what these guys did. Maybe one day people will learn life just isn't fair and all people are NOT in fact equal in every respect. You can change the constitution and make all the laws you want but that doesn't change people's hearts and minds and it doesn't change the simple truth. Some people are just naturally better and worse at some things than other people and no amount of legislation will ever change that. Affirmative action is an idea who's ship has sailed. It's long past time we burried it deep, deep, deep in the earth and forget it ever existed.
Wrong. Affirmative action has nothing to do with legislating equality. It is a tool to combat latent racism and to forestall social decay in uneducated minorities that is destabilizing to society as a whole. Please re read my earlier post.
And did you really just imply that minorities are bad at learning? You might want to cite a source for that or people might think you're some sort of raving racist. People like me.
As to other people, if you truly believe that white people have no advantages over minorities in America, you are burying your head in the sand. I do believe that as it is structured now that a significant amount of people taking advantage of affirmative action do not need it, and this is removing those benefits from those who could use them... but this is not an indictment of the program as a whole.
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: ahurtt
The very existence of affirmative action itself is hypocrisy defined. Here you have a policy you try to FORCE equality. Equality is not something that can be forced. Either things are equal or they are not. To try and enforce a policy which has the aim of forcing equality merely says that since group A is not actually equal to group B, we are going to tilt the table in group A's direction since they are not equal and need help. It's insulting if you think about it. It's like playing with a handicap. It's like winning your favorite video game on easy mode because the normal mode was too hard for you. So I applaud what these guys did. Maybe one day people will learn life just isn't fair and all people are NOT in fact equal in every respect. You can change the constitution and make all the laws you want but that doesn't change people's hearts and minds and it doesn't change the simple truth. Some people are just naturally better and worse at some things than other people and no amount of legislation will ever change that. Affirmative action is an idea who's ship has sailed. It's long past time we burried it deep, deep, deep in the earth and forget it ever existed.
Wrong. Affirmative action has nothing to do with legislating equality. It is a tool to combat latent racism and to forestall social decay in uneducated minorities that is destabilizing to society as a whole. Please re read my earlier post.
And did you really just imply that minorities are bad at learning? You might want to cite a source for that or people might think you're some sort of raving racist. People like me.
As to other people, if you truly believe that white people have no advantages over minorities in America, you are burying your head in the sand. I do believe that as it is structured now that a significant amount of people taking advantage of affirmative action do not need it, and this is removing those benefits from those who could use them... but this is not an indictment of the program as a whole.
Originally posted by: sdy284
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: ahurtt
The very existence of affirmative action itself is hypocrisy defined. Here you have a policy you try to FORCE equality. Equality is not something that can be forced. Either things are equal or they are not. To try and enforce a policy which has the aim of forcing equality merely says that since group A is not actually equal to group B, we are going to tilt the table in group A's direction since they are not equal and need help. It's insulting if you think about it. It's like playing with a handicap. It's like winning your favorite video game on easy mode because the normal mode was too hard for you. So I applaud what these guys did. Maybe one day people will learn life just isn't fair and all people are NOT in fact equal in every respect. You can change the constitution and make all the laws you want but that doesn't change people's hearts and minds and it doesn't change the simple truth. Some people are just naturally better and worse at some things than other people and no amount of legislation will ever change that. Affirmative action is an idea who's ship has sailed. It's long past time we burried it deep, deep, deep in the earth and forget it ever existed.
Wrong. Affirmative action has nothing to do with legislating equality. It is a tool to combat latent racism and to forestall social decay in uneducated minorities that is destabilizing to society as a whole. Please re read my earlier post.
And did you really just imply that minorities are bad at learning? You might want to cite a source for that or people might think you're some sort of raving racist. People like me.
As to other people, if you truly believe that white people have no advantages over minorities in America, you are burying your head in the sand. I do believe that as it is structured now that a significant amount of people taking advantage of affirmative action do not need it, and this is removing those benefits from those who could use them... but this is not an indictment of the program as a whole.
he wasn't implying that minorities were bad at learning at all. The jist of what you bolded was basically that the more qualified person should be admitted/hired...regardless of race. But colleges aren't doing that and they're denying qualified applicants in order to save room for minorities (who may not be as qualified) thats what he's saying.
I really don't think he was implying that minorities were bad @ learning.
Originally posted by: sdy284
I graduated high school valedictorian with a 4.0. I have ONE scholarship. And it covers a little less than half my tuition. But it doesn't get anywhere near covering living expenses or text books or other school materials.
Luckily, I'm white AND male, so I'm easily able to exploit minorities to cover the rest of my expenses. Afterall, the techniques have been passed down through my family for generations.
Affirmative action is discriminatory any way you look at it. Just think about the messages it sends.
-White people don't need help
-Minorities aren't intelligent enough to get into school/job/etc without assistance directed specifically at them.
You know, I just got to thinking. The Irish immigrants were highly discriminated against in the 1800s. Perhaps everyone of Irish descent (me) should be getting reparations and perhaps be included in Affirmative action?
I have several friends of "minority" descent and they all exploit the system to get financial aid. Thousands of dollars in exchange for ONE measly essay. But it's ok. Despite the fact that every one of them is from a middle class family, I have to accept the fact that I've been holding them back and oppressing them for years.
that is a reply from a member on another forum i belong to. I think he makes a valid point
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: ahurtt
The very existence of affirmative action itself is hypocrisy defined. Here you have a policy you try to FORCE equality. Equality is not something that can be forced. Either things are equal or they are not. To try and enforce a policy which has the aim of forcing equality merely says that since group A is not actually equal to group B, we are going to tilt the table in group A's direction since they are not equal and need help. It's insulting if you think about it. It's like playing with a handicap. It's like winning your favorite video game on easy mode because the normal mode was too hard for you. So I applaud what these guys did. Maybe one day people will learn life just isn't fair and all people are NOT in fact equal in every respect. You can change the constitution and make all the laws you want but that doesn't change people's hearts and minds and it doesn't change the simple truth. Some people are just naturally better and worse at some things than other people and no amount of legislation will ever change that. Affirmative action is an idea who's ship has sailed. It's long past time we burried it deep, deep, deep in the earth and forget it ever existed.
Wrong. Affirmative action has nothing to do with legislating equality. It is a tool to combat latent racism and to forestall social decay in uneducated minorities that is destabilizing to society as a whole. Please re read my earlier post.
And did you really just imply that minorities are bad at learning? You might want to cite a source for that or people might think you're some sort of raving racist. People like me.
As to other people, if you truly believe that white people have no advantages over minorities in America, you are burying your head in the sand. I do believe that as it is structured now that a significant amount of people taking advantage of affirmative action do not need it, and this is removing those benefits from those who could use them... but this is not an indictment of the program as a whole.
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Well, consider the current situation is that minorities are severely underrepresented at universities across america. If it is as he implies that some people are just better then others... that would mean that minorities just aren't so good at the whole school thing. Yes, yes, that is racist.
YES! Some people ARE better AT SOME THINGS than OTHER PEOPLE! Do you understand the difference between what you think I said and what I actually said now? As for why you take that to mean that I am saying all minorities suck at learning, sounds like a personal issue to me.
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Well, consider the current situation is that minorities are severely underrepresented at universities across america. If it is as he implies that some people are just better then others... that would mean that minorities just aren't so good at the whole school thing. Yes, yes, that is racist.
jesus christ ....HE'S NOT BEING RACIST!
he's saying that some people are smarter than others (whether they're white, black, brown or purple) and that the smart/qualified people should be admitted first. plain and f*cking simple. there's no racism there
but if the smart white kids are being denied to the college of their choice because a not as smart minority kid is admitted to that college, how is that fair?
Originally posted by: eskimospy
YES! Some people ARE better AT SOME THINGS than OTHER PEOPLE! Do you understand the difference between what you think I said and what I actually said now? As for why you take that to mean that I am saying all minorities suck at learning, sounds like a personal issue to me.
You just proved my point. I just said that there is a significant racial disparity in university admissions. You said that is because some people are better at things then others.
Let me spell it out for you:
ME: A.) Certain races are underrepresented in university admissions.
YOU: B.) This is because certain people are better qualified for university admission then others.
LOGIC: A+B -->
C.) University admissions are skewed towards certain races because people of certain races are better qualified for university admission.
D.) That's pretty fvcking racist.
Originally posted by: eskimospy
jesus christ ....HE'S NOT BEING RACIST!
he's saying that some people are smarter than others (whether they're white, black, brown or purple) and that the smart/qualified people should be admitted first. plain and f*cking simple. there's no racism there
but if the smart white kids are being denied to the college of their choice because a not as smart minority kid is admitted to that college, how is that fair?
It has nothing to do with fairness, didn't we already cover that?
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: ahurtt
The very existence of affirmative action itself is hypocrisy defined. Here you have a policy you try to FORCE equality. Equality is not something that can be forced. Either things are equal or they are not. To try and enforce a policy which has the aim of forcing equality merely says that since group A is not actually equal to group B, we are going to tilt the table in group A's direction since they are not equal and need help. It's insulting if you think about it. It's like playing with a handicap. It's like winning your favorite video game on easy mode because the normal mode was too hard for you. So I applaud what these guys did. Maybe one day people will learn life just isn't fair and all people are NOT in fact equal in every respect. You can change the constitution and make all the laws you want but that doesn't change people's hearts and minds and it doesn't change the simple truth. Some people are just naturally better and worse at some things than other people and no amount of legislation will ever change that. Affirmative action is an idea who's ship has sailed. It's long past time we burried it deep, deep, deep in the earth and forget it ever existed.
Wrong. Affirmative action has nothing to do with legislating equality. It is a tool to combat latent racism and to forestall social decay in uneducated minorities that is destabilizing to society as a whole. Please re read my earlier post.
And did you really just imply that minorities are bad at learning? You might want to cite a source for that or people might think you're some sort of raving racist. People like me.
As to other people, if you truly believe that white people have no advantages over minorities in America, you are burying your head in the sand. I do believe that as it is structured now that a significant amount of people taking advantage of affirmative action do not need it, and this is removing those benefits from those who could use them... but this is not an indictment of the program as a whole.
But fairness is a level playing field.Originally posted by: eskimospy
jesus christ ....HE'S NOT BEING RACIST!
he's saying that some people are smarter than others (whether they're white, black, brown or purple) and that the smart/qualified people should be admitted first. plain and f*cking simple. there's no racism there
but if the smart white kids are being denied to the college of their choice because a not as smart minority kid is admitted to that college, how is that fair?
It has nothing to do with fairness, didn't we already cover that?
Originally posted by: extra
There is only one race of humans and it includes people with all different kinds of skin pigmentation. It's time that was recognized. Affirmative action stuff based on race is trying to say one group is inferior to another.
How about coming out with "Affirmative action" not based on race but... /gasp...based on people's INCOME!!!
Originally posted by: eskimospy
YES! Some people ARE better AT SOME THINGS than OTHER PEOPLE! Do you understand the difference between what you think I said and what I actually said now? As for why you take that to mean that I am saying all minorities suck at learning, sounds like a personal issue to me.
You just proved my point. I just said that there is a significant racial disparity in university admissions. You said that is because some people are better at things then others.
Let me spell it out for you:
ME: A.) Certain races are underrepresented in university admissions.
YOU: B.) This is because certain people are better qualified for university admission then others.
LOGIC: A+B -->
C.) University admissions are skewed towards certain races because people of certain races are better qualified for university admission.
D.) That's pretty fvcking racist.
Originally posted by: sdy284
he's saying that some people are smarter than others (whether they're white, black, brown or purple) and that the smart/qualified people should be admitted first. plain and f*cking simple. there's no racism there