Boston: Students illegally rally in hopes of living American Dream

[MJinZ]

Invasion or infiltration is more along the lines of subverting or removing the current system. Illegal immigration is about people moving to seeking better opportunities for themselves and try to incorporate themselves into society.

If Illegal immigration is invasion or infiltration, then what about legal immigrants? I moved here legally; am I in your eyes, nothing more than an invader to you?



Glad you have monopoly on the facts here, and you are here to enlighten us.

If I invite you over to stay at my house, are you an intruder?

And yes, you think the Mexicans coming over illegally demanding that government services be suited to Spanish, changing the socio-economic balance of the economy, crippling budgets and increasing consumption of all resources is anything but detrimental?

We PAY for our common services an equal and relatively fair share so that WE can enjoy them, like Roads, Emergency Medical care, Public works etc. We do not PAY our share so that 10 more people can jump in a dilute and diminish our own product.

It's like buying a Dinner for one, and then having to share it with 5 other people.

Are we seriously going to play, the "let's be stupid" game?

 

[Hacp]

If I invite you over to stay at my house, are you an intruder?

And yes, you think the Mexicans coming over illegally demanding that government services be suited to Spanish, changing the socio-economic balance of the economy, crippling budgets and increasing consumption of all resources is anything but detrimental?

We PAY for our common services an equal and relatively fair share so that WE can enjoy them, like Roads, Emergency Medical care, Public works etc. We do not PAY our share so that 10 more people can jump in a dilute and diminish our own product.

It's like buying a Dinner for one, and then having to share it with 5 other people.

Are we seriously going to play, the "let's be stupid" game?

Exactly! How many people want an opportunity to prove themselves? Billions! All the poor people in the world would love to come to the US and live the good life. I admit we have it good over here. However, if we let them in, guess what? It won't be so good anymore. GDP will fall. Quality of life will fall.

That is the reason we restrict immigration. Not because of race, but because if we let everyone who wants to come here actually stay here, US citizens will lose out.

 

[MJinZ]

Exactly! How many people want an opportunity to prove themselves? Billions! All the poor people in the world would love to come to the US and live the good life. I admit we have it good over here. However, if we let them in, guess what? It won't be so good anymore. GDP will fall. Quality of life will fall.

That is the reason we restrict immigration. Not because of race, but because if we let everyone who wants to come here actually stay here, US citizens will lose out.

That being said, if the future of America is a Brown one, I would not be jumping off a bridge.

It's poetic in a way, because the Native Americans in a sense would be "taking their land back".

I'm not sure what White people will do in the mean time though - live with it, fight it viscously, or embrace it.

I'm going to go with "fight it viscously".

 

[werepossum]

More thoughtless and unoriginal rhetoric.

Illegal immigration is invasion or infiltration. There is NO difference between illegal immigration today and invading or infiltrating someone else's land yesterday.

Occupying land on Mars or the Moon, when there are currently no other inhabitants is NOT invading or infiltrating.

God, it's like teaching little kids how to think for themselves here.

I will certainly admit that some of your rhetoric is original. Well, original outside of those institutionalized for severe head injuries. The concept that one bad deed justifies all future bad deeds is not original however, it's been used by dumb people to justify otherwise unjustifiable positions as long as there have been dumb people.

 

[MJinZ]

I will certainly admit that some of your rhetoric is original. Well, original outside of those institutionalized for severe head injuries. The concept that one bad deed justifies all future bad deeds is not original however, it's been used by dumb people to justify otherwise unjustifiable positions as long as there have been dumb people.

I never said two wrongs make a right, I DID say that if a nation was built upon wresting a land away from another, would it be ethically OK to allow something back?

The question is akin to whether you agree with the Death Penalty or not. If the deed has already been done, should we "strike back" and sentence someone to die?

Ethics aside, reality is often far more pragmatic than it is moral. We do what we have to do.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Realize that the Mexicans that are coming across the border also stole Mexico from the Natives. the locals were conquered/murdered/enslaved by the Spanish.

The Mexicans treat their natives as a lower caste.

 

[MJinZ]

Realize that the Mexicans that are coing across the border also stole Mexico from the Natives. the loclas were conquered/murdered/enslaved by the Spanish.

The Mexicans treat their natives as a lower caste.

Mexicans are genetically related to Native Americans.

It was White & Off-white Spaniards -> Conquered and killed and Mixed with Natives -> Mexicans now.

 

[EagleKeeper]

MjinZ

True - the issue is that the Mexicans are not a pure as their supporters want us to believe. It all goes back to how far in history one wants to make comparisons.

And the Mexican hypocrisy of how they treat immigration but want the US to treat it.

 

[peonyu]

Most of the illegals tend to be outright native-american or predominantly native, its because of the way Mexican society is structured. Natives on the bottom classwise and economy wise, Mestizos in the middle, and Whites on the top. The white Mexicans live a comfy lifestyle [thier President being one of them] so they have no reason to border hop, the Indians and Mestizos do though. Indians especially..


So the native connection in the Mexican-american population is strong.






Pic from Mexicos official illegal alien guide on howto enter the US...Most mexicans dont look like that at all, yet the white-mexican elites enjoy portraying themselves as the 'superior' mexican who is in charge [and best looking...though the artist who drew the woman's backside does deserve some props].

 

[CanOWorms]

They should be given at least residency. They were brought here by their parents. They were raised here. They may not know the language, culture, etc. of the country their parents came from.

It would be cruel to deport them.

 

[Red Dawn]

They should be given at least residency. They were brought here by their parents. They were raised here. They may not know the language, culture, etc. of the country their parents came from.

It would be cruel to deport them.

The problem is which ones get to stay and which ones don't. What would be your criteria for ones you think should be given residency?

 

[theeedude]

While I haven't read the "Dream Act" referenced in the article, I suspect that it doesn't say anything about REPAYING us for the use of schools, health care, etc.

Americans don't even pay more for their kids using schools, they get a tax deduction. If anything, most of these lower income illegals would be getting an earned income tax credit if they were here legally.

 

[Red Dawn]

Americans don't even pay more for their kids using schools, they get a tax deduction. If anything, most of these lower income illegals would be getting an earned income tax credit if they were here legally.

Well they're not and shouldn't be getting anything including jobs.

 

[Linflas]

The problem is which ones get to stay and which ones don't. What would be your criteria for ones you think should be given residency?

I would say graduated high school successfully and not have a criminal record. As I said in an earlier post given those conditions we have already made an investment in them and I see no reason not to let them stay if they meet certain basic requirements. I would also not want to allow them to extend this to their parents and reward their parents lawbreaking.

 

[Red Dawn]

I would say graduated high school successfully and not have a criminal record. As I said in an earlier post given those conditions we have already made an investment in them and I see no reason not to let them stay if they meet certain basic requirements. I would also not want to allow them to extend this to their parents and reward their parents lawbreaking.

Sounds reasonable. I was also interested in how long he felt they needed to be here to be allowed to stay. I'm assuming he meant since they were toddlers since he stated they might not know the language of their native country

 

[allthatisman]

The problem is that unemployment is not high enough. As soon as most of the people on this board start losing their respective jobs, is when you will see people that matter attend these marches and rallys. Until then, we will all just sit at our keyboards, protest through key clicks, and wait for the weekend.

Until that happens, the softest voice (illegal immigrants), will continue to be heard, since they are the only ones doing any real talking.

 

[CanOWorms]

The problem is which ones get to stay and which ones don't. What would be your criteria for ones you think should be given residency?

The act mentioned in the article seems like a good start.

The Dream Act would create a path to legal residency for youths who arrived before they turned 16 and have lived here for five years. They would have to complete two years of college or the military, among other requirements to qualify.

Just have to relax the requirements a bit. I don't think that there should be a college requirement. Linflas's high school and no criminal record requirement is pretty good.

 

[theeedude]

Doesn't it just break your heart that these "students" are out protesting instead of gladly and cheaply doing jobs Americans won't do? Kind of defeats the purpose of letting them stay here illegally.