Boston Marathon bomber failed to kill himself?

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In a video taped interview (I saw it on broadcast TV) the head of the Boston police department said that one of the wounds on the hospitalized terrorist was a gunshot wound into the mouth that exited the neck. The interviewer (Scott Pelly, I suppose) asked him if he thought that was the result of an attempt to kill himself and the cop said he preferred to not respond to that question. That was a couple of days ago now. My thinking is it was indeed an attempt at suicide, likely while in the boat. Thoughts?

I've heard various descriptions of the surviving terrorist's wounds:

Initially: leg / neck
Last night: leg, neck, hand, head (i.e. 4 different wounds)
 
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It does seem likely. It's fairly miraculous that he managed to fire such a shot without hitting his jugular, spine or brain, but a .223 is a pretty small bullet.
 

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I didn't understand, did the tactical team shoot at the boat or not? I've read differing accounts, some say they just threw flashbangs, some say they fired into the boat.
 
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But it's so scarry when you put it in an AR15.

Well, it is in fact a scary round in terms of the tissue damage it creates when it tumbles inside the body. This shot seems to have been a through-and-through where it had no chance to do that, so left only small entry and exit wounds.
 

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I didn't understand, did the tactical team shoot at the boat or not? I've read differing accounts, some say they just threw flashbangs, some say they fired into the boat.

I was listening to the police scanner. They definitely fired on the boat.
 

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they had an article up on some site today ( i forget) that had pics of the boat and it looks like swiss cheese, the boat is totaled
 

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they had an article up on some site today ( i forget) that had pics of the boat and it looks like swiss cheese, the boat is totaled

craigslistboat.jpg
 

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Didn't realize "tried to kill himself," was the new-speak code for "shot full of lead by a small army of uniforms." Orwellian context clues are so difficult to detect.

I think the most amusing part of all this is the fact that Bostonians are not the least bit interested in the important bits: ie. what this kid knows, if there are more involved, and perhaps why the FBI and other agencies who do drills during the marathon each year were unable to prevent the disaster. You-know, stuff that trial-by-jury is supposed to get to. The whole reason that western civilization developed a "justice system." Things that are very difficult to do when you knee-jerk to the buzz-word "terrorist," revoke Miranda rights, attempt to railroad someone out of the justice system as an enemy combatant, and generally put them on the freeway to a death penalty that the progressive Mass. has not meted out in decades (including to serial rapists, murderers, child-molesters, and far worse).

Instead, all they care about is spilling blood on the federal alter to exonerate all the incompetent boobs who couldn't catch the criminal with a city locked-down (to the complete contempt of the constitutional rights of anyone living there-in, as there were not search warrants issued). The man who did the welcome job of actually finding the suspect was rewarded with huge property damage and a "thank you citizen."

Fantastic.
 
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Didn't realize "tried to kill himself," was the new-speak code for "shot full of lead by a small army of uniforms." Orwellian context clues are so difficult to detect.

I think the most amusing part of all this is the fact that Bostonians are not the least bit interested in the important bits: ie. what this kid knows, if there are more involved, and perhaps why the FBI and other agencies who do drills during the marathon each year were unable to prevent the disaster. You-know, stuff that trial-by-jury is supposed to get to. The whole reason that western civilization developed a "justice system." Things that are very difficult to do when you knee-jerk to the buzz-word "terrorist," revoke Miranda rights, attempt to railroad someone out of the justice system as an enemy combatant, and generally put them on the freeway to a death penalty that the progressive Mass. has not meted out in decades (including to serial rapists, murderers, child-molesters, and far worse).

Instead, all they care about is spilling blood on the federal alter to exonerate all the incompetent boobs who couldn't catch the criminal with a city locked-down (to the complete contempt of the constitutional rights of anyone living there-in, as there were not search warrants issued). The man who did the welcome job of actually finding the suspect was rewarded with huge property damage and a "thank you citizen."

Fantastic.

Most human grown disasters are from scenarios that are un-anticipated and/or unable to be 100% planned/controlled.

There is 26 miles in the Marathon; are you expecting them to have agents posted every 20 meters to be on the lookout for anything fishy.


college kids with backpacks does not qualify as fishy.

locking down a section of town with the media coverage is a little more difficult; especially when the suspect has planned a rabbit hole or already left the area.

It was pure accident that he was discovered hiding in the boat. Had the owner been out of town; the kid could have stayed until dark and made his way out of the general area.

Politicians do talk to get attention; the system would not have tolerated a enemy combatant classification; doing so wold have made the complete classification mechanism a fraud.

what search warrants were needed; what did they break down that should have had a warrant?

Are you not jumping the gun as to the damaged boat? The complete scenario has not played out, yet you are condemning the actions.

do you have inside knowledge or just flapping your fingers out of some inbred issues.
 

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Most human grown disasters are from scenarios that are un-anticipated and/or unable to be 100% planned/controlled.

And yet, since at-least 2007 there have been disaster drills at the marathon conducted by the local and federal agencies who were on hand to respond. I don't expect them to be psychic, but if they had no idea what was going on, then we really should disband the FBI tonight.

There is 26 miles in the Marathon; are you expecting them to have agents posted every 20 meters to be on the lookout for anything fishy.
And apparently that was a huge waste of resources.

college kids with backpacks does not qualify as fishy.
Indicating they didn't know what to look for and that they were utterly clueless.

locking down a section of town with the media coverage is a little more difficult; especially when the suspect has planned a rabbit hole or already left the area.
The suspect leaving the area has what to do with coverage of the story? Literally nothing. They didn't have a clue who it was for at least a day and made it no secret they were ready to have a lynching within the hour.

It was pure accident that he was discovered hiding in the boat. Had the owner been out of town; the kid could have stayed until dark and made his way out of the general area.
Indeed, that is my point. The paramilitary invasion of Boston was found to be a waste. "Sit in place," set a new precedent for domestic martial law that we have not seen since the civil war and it was a FAILURE.

Politicians do talk to get attention; the system would not have tolerated a enemy combatant classification; doing so wold have made the complete classification mechanism a fraud.
Politicians have power over us. To hand-waive their influence because they're bastards who run their mouths a lot is to dismiss reality.

what search warrants were needed; what did they break down that should have had a warrant?

http://www.legalzoom.com/everyday-law/home-leisure/can-police-search-your

Police cannot simply search your home on a whim, even if they are after a "terrorist." So yes, warrants were needed and not obtained. Constitutionally, they were illegal searches of private property.

Are you not jumping the gun as to the damaged boat? The complete scenario has not played out, yet you are condemning the actions.
It's been widely reported that there was a "shootout," and that the suspect received several gunshot wounds (while there are zero injuries to the officers involved). Furthermore there were no mentions of weapons on the suspect at the time of his arrest. If you can add that information up to be anything but an attempt of murdering the suspect, I invite you to try.

do you have inside knowledge or just flapping your fingers out of some inbred issues.
What kind of knowledge am I presenting that is above and beyond what is widely reported? Alternatively, what kind of source would you consider to be legitimate? Are ABC/NBC/CBS/Fox/CNN and other well-established propagandist rags to you?

I've presented the reported information in a logical fashion. I'm sorry if the world ceases to make sense if you don't hear the appropriate spin, but you should be a little more critical of the watchmen. Who watches them?
 
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What were the illegal searches of private property here? Please provide a link. We don't need a primer on the legal requirements. We need facts on the ground which pertain to this case.
 

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Every TV network covered the police going house to house. If that is insufficient evidence to you, then I have no idea what you want.
 

Muse

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Every TV network covered the police going house to house. If that is insufficient evidence to you, then I have no idea what you want.
Why are you hijacking my thread with this grousing? Do you have evidence that residents of Watertown felt transgressed? Those two guys were not the only ones in that immediate area who were bearing backpacks, I saw others in the days before they zeroed in on the brothers. I don't believe it was logistically practical to secure the marathon route, even the end of it to the extent that would have prevented the disaster. Next year, possibly, they will surely be on much higher alert. They did check out the area with bomb sniffing dogs earlier, but those bombs were dropped off at the last moment.

In any case, the thread's subject was did this guy try to kill himself?

BTW (since you brought up the off topic subject), I read an article today indicating that citizens across the nation have rallied to garner funds to buy that Watertown guy a new boat.
 
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Do you have evidence that residents of Watertown felt transgressed?

In-fact I do.

I am a Watertown resident...

...and I have to let you know that today, I do not feel relieved or safe, I feel more uneasy than ever. I am not cheering with the throngs of blood-lusting MA residents that this "s%!tbag terrorist a$#hole" was caught or thanking our "selfless" state and federal agents for risking their lives to save the masses. No, I am left with a terrible feeling because I see this for what it is and am dis-heartened at the ignorant mob-mentality around me.

I am saddened that no one realizes that what happened on Marathon Monday happens every day in the countries that the US currently occupies and that what descended upon Watertown on Friday is experienced by families abroad at the hands of US forces every single day. I am disgusted by the willingness of those around me to be spoon fed fear and then to truly believe that the only people that can protect and save them is the military force that came out in droves and forced people under house arrest (oh wait, excuse me, "Shelter in Place" is the PC term).
"It is happening before my eyes. Liberty was born here, and this week, Liberty has officially died. It is playing out like a bad predictable movie and the masses are too caught up in the bread & circuses to notice. As a daily LewRockwell.com reader, I see the stories in print every day and have intellectually understood the patterns. But this week, in my backyard, I have seen it first-hand and there is no going back. Welcome to the militarized United States of America.


"Disheartened Watertown, MA, Resident"

'I Am a Watertown Resident...'
 

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I think this boat shows us the cops need to stop pretending to be GI Joe, and join the military if they want to drive and use military gear. Stop buying Humvees and armored vehicles and buy some actual tracking dogs and take some damn target practice instead.
 

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I think this boat shows us the cops need to stop pretending to be GI Joe, and join the military if they want to drive and use military gear. Stop buying Humvees and armored vehicles and buy some actual tracking dogs and take some damn target practice instead.

God, you sound painfully ignorant.